who will win? all starcraft race or star wars? terran only vs starwars?

[zeratul11]

i dont know. what do you think? maybe star craft the terrans are more badazz than the starwars clones and droids.

[mc2]

What has starwars got to do with starcraft?

Anyway i think if the powers of zerg, terran and protoss combined it would beat starwars characters.
but this is not a good comparison

[l2k]

Yea, what starwars got to do with starcraft? :P

If you are talking about the original SC, I think it will be a close fight, but I think SC will still own Starwars. Jedi vs High Templar ::) Psionic storm = dead Jedi. Jedi can block lasers, but can they block bullets? :P :P

If it's SC2 in this case, just think about the mothership. It owns every single starwars unit. Not even the death star comes close

[zeratul11]

star wars vs starcraft? because both has star on it. LOL. do you think the droids or clones laser can penetrate a terran marine armor in a single shot? if not. star craft wins! jedi will easily kill marines tho. there are also some huge spaceships in starwars too. ow, chubacass are no match for firebats. heheh. fried chubacasss. hahah. dont get me wrong. i like star wars too, stars wars revenge of the sith is on my number 8th list of all time fave movies. heheh. soory bout my english ;D you guys are good in english. whats your secrets? read more? if your americans nevermind answering. heheh.

[mc2]

starwars is set in a long long long time ago
starcraft is set in 500 years into the future - 2500

starwars started mainly as a movie series
starcraft started mainly as a RTS computer game

starwars's characters are mostly humans
starcraft has humans and 2 alien species

There's really no comparison, they are just too different. even their story is different.

[hillzagold]

terran alone would win. a cloaked wraith would destroy countless tie and x fighters. the death star could be taken down by a few dozen yamatos, if nothing gets in the way, courtesy of wraiths. as we saw in attack of the clones, the number of bullets that 20 or so marines can shoot will kill the jedi. the only real hope starwars has is for the jedi to sneak up and ***** out force lightning and mind control.

[Fenix]

Well, if you put the Republic and CIS, or the Empire and the Rebels together, they would beat the Terrans....But either other race would pwn them.

[10-Neon]

Ok, I'm really, really sorry, but what are you guys smoking? If you pit the Star Wars Universe against the StarCraft Universe, the Star Wars Universe would decimate poor StarCraft. These are both fictional Universes, both take some liberties with interpretations of what is possible, but as it happsn, the Star Wars Universe goes a little(a lot) more overboard than StarCraft, and so ends up having more to work with.

In most cases, StarCraft units would defeat their Star Wars analog in 1 on 1 combat, but in the end, the sheer size of the Imperial Army/Navy would overpower the three races of StarCraft. It is a military force funded by an entire galaxy (more or less) and hundreds, if not thousands of planets and different alien civilizations. I take my examples from the Star Wars Universe under the Galactic Empire, because it was much more militant than the Republic, and more is known about its army.

Death Star(s) + Super Star Destroyer(s) vs Protoss Mothership: According to Star Wars cannon (if I recall correctly), along with the two Death Stars featured in the films, there were something like 2 other full Death Stars, and a few more smaller stations with the same planet buster beam being built in other parts of the galaxy. Along with Vader's Super Star Destroyer, some sources suggest there was another one. Let me note that Death Stars are freakin' huge (http://www.merzo.net/). A Super Star Destroyer dwarfs Star Destroyers, and a Death Star dwarfs a Super Star Destroyer by another two orders of magnitude. These things presumably house thousands of fighters and other ships, have near-impenetrable shields, and have guns that can blow up planets. Not even the Protoss have anything nearly this insane. The closest thing StarCraft can throw at these large ships is a Mothership, and while it may be city-sized, there is no way it would survive a direct blast from a Death Star's main gun.


...a cloaked wraith would destroy countless tie and x fighters.

A wraith has shielding and firepower somewhere between an X-Wing and a heavy TIE. While it may be able to take down several, the Empire has thousands, if not tens of thousands of TIEs, and I am certain that the Empire’s capital ships and bases have equipment that would qualify as a “detector� that could spot cloaked Wraiths. The Rebels have something like several hundred to a thousand fighters, and most of them are nowhere near as strong as an X-Wing. Of course, StarCraft’s Scout is stronger than any fighter-class ship in Star Wars, but in the end, sheer numbers will win out.


the death star could be taken down by a few dozen yamatos,

A Death Star is a sphere with a diameter of 180km. You couldn’t take one down with a dozen nukes, let alone a dozen. Yamatos. And this is assuming it has its shields down, which it won’t.


the number of bullets that 20 or so marines can shoot will kill the jedi.

JedI don’t normally engage in direct combat, and at Imperial times, there were only a few Jedi left anyway. Realistically, a Marine could take out all Star Wars infantry, and many of its lighter vehicles. But the sheer size of the armies, with air and artillery support would overpower any StarCraft ground force.

the only real hope starwars has is for the jedi to sneak up and ***** out force lightning and mind control.

You could argue that Ghosts or Dark Templar could do the same for StarCraft. If such covert ops were employed, though, each side would probably be able to deal similar amounts of damage to the other. StarCraft has some very powerful "special forces" units, but they are all mortal to enough gunfire, and there is plenty of firepower to go around when you're talking about the Empire's capacities.

Imperial Star Destroyers vs StarCraft capital ships: While they are roughly the same size as a Battlecruiser or Carrier, they are much stronger. Unlike a Battlecruiser, they have shields and can carry fighters. We might assume that true-scale Battlecruisers can carry fighters (in the cinematics they have a good 6-8 launch bays), but they're not built with that as a primary function. Battlecruisers also have fewer guns than Battlecruisers. Even scaled up, we would only expect the Battlecruiser to have a dozen small lasers to complement the main batteries and the Yamato Cannon. A scaled-up Carrier would probably have a larger carrier capacity than a Star Destroyer, and better shields, but it would also have inferior weapons. In a realistic StarCraft Universe, there would probably be fewer than a hundred Battlecruisers and Carriers in operation: they aren't cheap to make or maintain. In the Star Wars Universe, while large ships like Star Destroyers would still be expensive to build and maintain, the Empire happens to have a much larger economy to back them, so they can afford to keep multiple hundreds of these ships in operation.

[zeratul11]

all 3 starcraft races? now u got to be kiddin me. have you seen star wars episodes IV, V, VI? all the small airships in starwars will be pwned by starcraft units like phoenix, wraith, scout etc (they have a lot of skills unlike starwars aircrafts). anakin and obiwan's spacecraft in episode 3 are jokes compaerd to starcraft airships! episode 1 (young anakin) the rebellion small airship sucks! their like toys. heheh. x wing fighter is slow, cloking starcraft aircrafts clowns them all. the v ship aircraft (i guess that would be the star destroyers) in starwars can be destroyed by warp rays (new protoss air unit) or even by scouts. i think scouts and wraiths travel fast they will confuse stardestroyers while repeatedly fire their weapons on it. BOOM! DROIDS? hahah. clones? hahah. they will have a hard time killing a marine. clones toy guns can hardly kill zealot s with their shields, and by the time zealots gets close to them, 3-8 droids or clones will be dead before the zealot dies (in reality zealots laser weapons can kill a clown o mean clone in one strike! and zealots are fast) empire strikes back? siege tanks is more than enough to finish off those walking 4 legged robots. EVEN THE IMPERIAL ARMY IS HAVING A PROBLEM WITH EWOKS! STARCRAFT ARE WAR TESTED, NOT MEDIOCRE. I THINK STARWARS HAS A LITTLE SOFT SIDE IN THEM WHEN IT COMES TO WAR, imperial army are kind of lame, remember when han solo and his crew try to take over the station in the jungle (terrans will not take anything for granted, this guys are way tougher than the imperial army) (STARWARS ARE RICHER, BUT TERRANS FOCUS MORE ON DEVELOPING FIRE POWERED WEAPONS AND ARMOR, while starwars focus more on the city of couresant. hahah.) Clones have plastic armor, terran have achilles armor. heheh. MIND CONTROL THOSE STAR DESTROYERS! DEATH STAR PLANET DESTROYER IS RARE. GET INSIDE (maybe a ghost can do this) DESTROY THE SHIELD GENERATOR THEN NUKE EM. NUKE THE JEDI TEMPLE! hehe. Attack of the clones, a couple of carrier will kill a lot starwars unit on that dessert war. psionic storms, dragond, zealots, scouts, revers on that dessert war. NO NEED TERRAN NO NEED ZERG!

sorry. HEY I LIKE STARWARS MOVIE! BUT WHEN THESE TWO HEAD TO HEAD? il be routing for starcraft! or even TERRANS ONLY!

about their unlimited clones. NUKE em all. heheh. or starcraft will find a way to travel like obiwan and destroy the clone developers in that planet. ;D

Starcraft movie. now thats great. dont compare it to starship troopers please. THAT MOVIE SUCKS LIKE ****! and terran will pwn those annoying troopers and alien bugs and their brain that looks like....SHIIIIIITTTTT!!!!

Sorry man, but star craft WINS! ZERATUL AND KERIGAN WILL TAKE ON THE BEST JEDI's like obiwan and anakin mano e mano. ;D

[zeratul11]

ow by the way those other alizen civilazation ur talkin about. they wont dare come between the so called starwars starcraft wars! JAVA and his worm better not even talk about this wars or zerglings will eat him off.

not thousand of planets! maybe hundred of starwars planets which most of them are not occupied..hahah. come on, their just planets, terran have seen a lot. LETS TALK ABOUT THE BEST THING HERE. IMPERAIL ARMY IS THE BEST THING STARWARS CAN OFFER (thats why they are the bullies of the galaxy, not until starcraft came along, heheh.). and for starcraft any 3 of the races. well ZERG will take care of those "other alien civilazation" the flying insects in episode 2 (hydralisk will spit and screw them to the ground) , java and his pig army, the aliens in episode 2 where general grievous hides, the chubacas, the EWOKS! ..heheh. kerrigan will kill the bounty hunter. ZERG WILL EAT THEM ALL! ;D

OW YEAH INFESTED DROIDS AND CLONES WILL WHACK ANY SWARM OF STARWARS ALIEN CIVILAZATION.

AND U KNOW WHAT THE IMPERIAL ARMY WEAKNESSES ARE? WELL ONE THING! DEATH STAR! NO DEATH STAR=GAME OVER! THE REBELLION WHICH IS A NOVICE VERSION OF THE TERRAN WAS ABLE TO DESTROY THE DEATH STAR AND BEAT VADER AND HIS GOONS. TERRAN WILL SURELY FINISH THE JOB MORE QUICKLY THAN THE REBELLION!!! OW AS IN THE STARCRAFT UNIVERSE STORY, NO RACES HAS BEEN DEFEATED YET, AND IT WILL GO ON UNTIL BLIZZARD SHUTDOWNS--> IT MEANS THAT THERE IS NOT MUCH OF A WEAKNESS IN STARCRAFT RACES. AND POOR STARWARS HAS ONE MAIN WEAKNESS WHICH IS THE DEATH STAR.

JUST THINK ABOUT THIS> WHO WILL WIN? PROTOSS OR THE STARWARS REBELLION? PROTOSS WILL KILL THEM EASILY, like taking a candy from a baby. so its now protoss and IMPERAIL ARMY, protoss is way smarter than the rebellions..

as in the movie the death star is vulnerable with no shield and has no good defense to it. VADER EVEN RIDES A SPACECRAFT TO DEFEND THE DEATH STAR IN EPISODE IV. hahah. now a mothership and a dozen of carriers floating a death star = a crying sith LORD. heheh.

I THINK PROTOSS IS HIGHLY MORE ADVANCE IN TECHNOLOGY AND SCIENCE THAN STAR WARS. PROTOSS HAS MAGIC TOO WHICH IS SWEEEEETTTT. AND COMPARE THE DETAILS AND EFFECTS OF PROTOSS SPACE CRAFT THAN THAT OF STARWARS. PROTOSS ARE DETAILED. HEHEH. ITS NOT LIKE ITS GOIN TO HELP. but PROTOSS ROCKS BIG TIME! MOTHERSHIPS HAS ABILITY TO SLOW DOWN WAEPON, maybe the death star planet destroyer maybe be slowed down to and diminished. what if the protoss fleets are at the back of the death star and the planet destroyer laser of the death star is at front. hhahahahah. BLACK HOLE THOSE STAR DESTROYERS. well in the game its not much, but in reality BLACK HOLES BLANKS EVERYTHING.

[zeratul11]

I LOVE STARWARS MOVIE THO. WHAT WAS I THINKING POSTING THIS TOPIC....wwwaaaaahhhh. :upset:

[10-Neon]

:powerdown:

I am not even going to try to read that.

Typing in caps does not increase your credibility. Typing in caps is not cruise control for cool. On the Internet it is exactly equivalent to yelling. Don't do it.

[zeratul11]

OH MY GOD! Im not yelling or anything. i just want my points to be clear. wwaaaahhh. im so sorry. can you read it now? its nothing personal, like i said im a big starwars fan. im not mad about you, this is the best part (its not arguments)... its FUN! im still sorry tho, ive learned my lessons. whats up with the power level anyway. ::)

[zeratul11]

ok i admit it. i was kinda of mad when i read your topic. so stupid of me, i posted this topic and asking for your opinions and i angrily denied your opinion. forgive me :upset: yah, im not a class act unlike you :thumbup:

[Fenix]

If you are talking about the original SC, I think it will be a close fight, but I think SC will still own Starwars. Jedi vs High Templar ::) Psionic storm = dead Jedi. Jedi can block lasers, but can they block bullets? :P :P



Umm, aren't lasers made from light. Thus shouldn't they be travelling at the speed of light. Thus, shouldn't they be faster than bullets? Thus, shouldn't bullets be EASIER to block? Ofcourse, we're talking about starwars here. The lasers in that movie travel slower than my grandma.

By yeah, let's see a jedi take on a dark templar ;p


Lasers ARE light actually....By definition. Anyhoo, the people in the SW universe technically don't use laser guns, they use "blasters," and in the novels, a distinction is made. Anyways, a Jedi wouldn't need to deflect bullets, they'd go all Matrix on 'em.
And a Jedi would pwn a Dark Templar. Just because they're invisible means nothing. A Jedi would sense them.

In the end, taking in all the other arguments, StarCraft is much cooler, but come on. You seriously don't think they can win?

[zeratul11]

:o

[zeratul11]

If you are talking about the original SC, I think it will be a close fight, but I think SC will still own Starwars. Jedi vs High Templar ::) Psionic storm = dead Jedi. Jedi can block lasers, but can they block bullets? :P :P



Umm, aren't lasers made from light. Thus shouldn't they be travelling at the speed of light. Thus, shouldn't they be faster than bullets? Thus, shouldn't bullets be EASIER to block? Ofcourse, we're talking about starwars here. The lasers in that movie travel slower than my grandma.

By yeah, let's see a jedi take on a dark templar ;p


Lasers ARE light actually....By definition. Anyhoo, the people in the SW universe technically don't use laser guns, they use "blasters," and in the novels, a distinction is made. Anyways, a Jedi wouldn't need to deflect bullets, they'd go all Matrix on 'em.
And a Jedi would pwn a Dark Templar. Just because they're invisible means nothing. A Jedi would sense them.

In the end, taking in all the other arguments, StarCraft is much cooler, but come on. You seriously don't think they can win?


hey. if your raed all my post starcraft can actually win! don't underestimate the dark templar yo. because we have not seen templars in a movie, so we really don't know their stuffs and what they can really do Grin

most of the jedi are not good at fighting. attack of the clones for examples most of them died in random laser attack and laser blast, even the bounty is a killer of jedi. hhhmmmm, i think the bounty hounter is an even match against a ghost or a couple of good marines. Smiley

they can't sense them that easily. wow! most of the jedi's are not powerful. dark templar + the new dark templar (blink ability) will pwn them jedis. rounds of bullets fired can only be dodge matrix style by neo trained as a jedi.

if you say starwars can win against starcraft. thats a joke. (starcraft=all 3 races). starwars will have a hard time fighting the protoss, how much more with the terrans and zerg. they whill be doom if they fight all 3 races.

yah, Jedi's are cool and powerful. but we have not seen starcraft much in real life only in few cinematics in SC1 which is lame. the combined blue giant templar (i forgot the name) is pretty much a threat to starwars, its very powerful even general grievous will fear it. come on. do you know the units of star wars? read all my post please.

if starwars has sheer numbers. they are still beatable because they have weaknesses. the death star and some jedis. Grin

[zeratul11]

just to show how powerful and strong marines are. imagine hundred of thousands of them. ;D

[coalescence]

FFS! Stop spamming man, you're really annoying the heck out me. Use the modify button and do not post 3 message after each other. And don't post messages like this:


:o


What's the use?

[10-Neon]

Yes, we know that StarCraft units are strong. As I said, if they were to go head to head, the StarCraft units would win, but when you take into account entire armies, Star Wars troops would overwhelm them with sheer numbers... or just blow up the whole planet, whichever comes first.

---


:o

coalescence is right: spamming is really annoying and rude. Incidentally, one-word posts are against the rules (http://www.starcraft2forum.org/forums/index.php?topic=107.0) for that very reason.

[Fenix]

hey. if your raed all my post starcraft can actually win! don't underestimate the dark templar yo. because we have not seen templars in a movie, so we really don't know their stuffs and what they can really do Grin
Yes, I "raed" all of your posts, no small feat considering. Anyways. I have more respect for the Dark Templar than any other unit, SC, SW, or even ST.

most of the jedi are not good at fighting. attack of the clones for examples most of them died in random laser attack and laser blast, even the bounty is a killer of jedi. hhhmmmm, i think the bounty hounter is an even match against a ghost or a couple of good marines. Smiley
Most Jedi are good at fighting. They're essentially the monks of old given laser swords. Yes, they died in random laser attacks because it's rather difficult to dodge/deflect attacks when they're fired from ten different guns. If you watched the movie (I can't believe I just said that) you would see that even a ten year old student takes down a good five troopers before biting it. "The bounty hunter." I assume you mean Jango? The only reason he kills some is because he has a name. When dealing with movies, novels, and games, never underestimate the person with a name.

they can't sense them that easily. wow! most of the jedi's are not powerful. dark templar + the new dark templar (blink ability) will pwn them jedis. rounds of bullets fired can only be done matrix style by neo trained as a jedi.
What do you mean, they can't sense them easily? I'm sure that the weakest Jedi can sense a malignant force directed at him! And the Stalkers? The Jedi have their own tanks, exceedingly more powerful. And not Matrix as in bend impossibly back on your knees in bullet time, just dodging them. Jedi are quite quick.

if you say starwars can win against starcraft. thats a joke. (starcraft=all 3 races). starwars will have a hard time fighting the protoss, how much more with the terrans and zerg. they whill be doom if they fight all 3 races.
My good friend (I use that term loosely and only for the sake of convince), the only race with numbers large enough to give the factions of Star Wars pause is the Zerg. The other two races occupy but a few planets amounting to maybe five solar systems total. The Empire or Old Republic had an entire galaxy of warriors. The Death Stars and Starcrushers would utterly obliterate anything any of those races could throw at them.

yah, Jedi's are cool and powerful. but we have not seen starcraft much in real life only in few cinematics in SC1 which is lame. the combined blue giant templar (i forgot the name) is pretty much a threat to starwars, its very powerful even general grievous will fear it. come on. do you know the units of star wars? read all my post please.
Archons, while mighty, are unrealistic to make many. In the unit bio it mentions that the creation is extremely rare and feared. Even if they made all their Templar merge into Archons, all the SW people would have to do is send in a Death Star or Starcrusher

if starcraft has sheer numbers. they are still beatable because they have weaknesses. the death star and some jedis. Grin
Dear Lord, you just contradicted your entire argument. Congrats


Though it was tough figuring out what meant what, I believe I have addressed most, if not all, of your points. For any who care to read through, my rebuke is in green.

[zeratul11]

wwaaaahhhh. i cant express all i want here, because i dont speak in english fluently like you guys :(

im having a hard time countering all your opinions. heheh.

wow! you guys are tough on me :upset:

im sorry about the spam cause im a noob at forums. im not a bad person or anything. :)

ive learned a lot from you guys. thanks ;D but please dont put me down. i dont want to do the same thing.

its a debate and nothing more. i did not and never will bad mouth anyone here :)

but this battle keeps getting better ;D

starcraft WINS! how come the imperial army lose to a weak enemy like the rebellion. i called them weak cause as in the movie (episode IV, V, VI) their vehicles, spacecraft, arsenals, are not powerful than that of starcraft. x wing spacecraft (luke spaceship) are their majority space fighter, which i think is a little weaker than wraiths and scout.. etc. the rebellions are quite few compared to terrans. LOL. but the rebellion beat the empire, hhhmmm.... terrans has a chance, much more when protoss and zerg joins too. clones annihilated all jedi in the temple (episode 3) , MARINES and ghost wiil bring them down easily. bring on jar jars army and the droids(episode 1) combined, zerg (lurkers) will shatter them to pieces. ;D

ow that jedi kid in episode 3, hes rare tho, thats why he has a clip in the movie. hehehe. maybe he was the next obi wan or anakin, to bad he died. zealots are fast too, they can fight against jedi too. ow the blowing of planets by the deathstar? its quite rare, and it needs some time to do so just like in the movie. rebellion vs starcraft = starcraft wins. rebellion vs the empire = the rebellion wins (they were lucky tho) now the empire vs starcraft = any idea? hahah

[coalescence]

Ermmm, because its a 70's movie and the underdogs are suposed to win?
I like starcraft more than star wars, but seriously, the whole SW universe will whoopass starcraft.

[Zeratul]

if starcraft has sheer numbers. they are still beatable because they have weaknesses. the death star and some jedis. Grin
Dear Lord, you just contradicted your entire argument. Congrats


I believe he was talking about starwars not starcraft (a mistake) because he refers to the death star and jedi's in the same team, hence not contradicting himself.

Anyway.. couldn't say who would win, but reckon the SW universe would have problems with zerg due to their numbers and reproductive qualities. Also they have the tendancy to infect other beings and could well create more powerful creations as they continue to evolve.

Protoss could attack major cities (eg. Corouscant) simultaneously forcing any attempt at destroying a planet to be damaging to themselves (especially at Corouscant as the senate is there and no doubt a very economical place). It may be that any assault on a planet will be quick enough as I would personally believe that protoss units have more potential damage than SW weapons/armies. Also they might be able to take out any

Terran.. well.. not sure if they could win... maybe an assassination attempt... stage a takeover like the trade federation did on Naboo. Maybe do the same as protoss but they wouldnt be as effectiive as theyre less powerful and dont have the ability to travel through space as they cant warp.

Star Wars - Have the numbers, Have a number of weapons that could destroy planets. (what is their rate of fire though? would 1 shot overheat the barrel or whatever method they use for that shot etc?)
Have more planets than StarCraft universe has.
(Super) Star Destroyers etc may be too big and too powerful for any specific StarCraft unit to destroy
Death Stars, same as Star Destroyers, huge ass things they are.

So what if they all teamed up and were tactical? - Think SC atleast has a chance

[zeratul11]

Ermmm, because its a 70's movie and the underdogs are suposed to win?
I like starcraft more than star wars, but seriously, the whole SW universe will whoopass starcraft.


ooppss, thanks great zeratul.. type mistake it was supposed to be starwars. heheh. modify it now =)

whats with the starwars universe and planets? starwars means one thing, the EMPIRE ruled by the sith lord (you can join the rebellion by the way now thats two things. heheh). all others (like ewoks, nabu, binks, java chubacass etc.) are nothing to starcraft. SO ITS THE STORM TROOPERS DEATHSTAR STAR DESTROYERS jedi xwings the robot cow in empirestrike back (the colosus will cut off its legs.heheh.) etc. VS starcraft.

starcraft is never the underdog in this war, starcraft has the advantage in war tactics and specialties, starwars only advantages are their countless clones and deathstar, and i think starcraft knows how to deal with them. but anyway underdog or not, starcraft WINS! ;D

[coalescence]

yah, if you say starcraft is the underdog, i dont think so, starcraft has the advantage in war tactics and specialties, starwars only advantage are their countless clones, and i think starcraft knos how to deal with them. but anyway underdog or not, starcraft WINS! ;D


I never sayd that starcraft was the underdog, it was something I sayd as a reaction to this:


how come the imperial army lose to a weak enemy like the rebellion. i called them weak cause as in the movie (episode IV, V, VI) their vehicles, spacecraft, arsenals, are not powerful than that of starcraft.

[Zeratul]

No problem ;D
Just remember modify, not reply if you were the last to post :good:

[zeratul11]

" I never sayd that starcraft was the underdog, it was something I sayd as a reaction to this: "

ofcourse i know that. i was just thinking maybe you or other were thinking that starcraft were underdogs ;D

[coalescence]

" I never sayd that starcraft was the underdog, it was something I sayd as a reaction to this: "

ofcourse i know that. i was just thinking maybe you or other were thinking that starcraft were underdogs ;D

oopss sorry just posted another one when i was the last to post before this. sorry again. heheh.


You really don't make any sense, do you know that? And you said you were 22?

[zeratul11]

" I never sayd that starcraft was the underdog, it was something I sayd as a reaction to this: "

ofcourse i know that. i was just thinking maybe you or other were thinking that starcraft were underdogs ;D

oopss sorry just posted another one when i was the last to post before this. sorry again. heheh.


You really don't make any sense, do you know that? And you said you were 22?


i dont know what your talking about.. anyway just a note: i keep modifying my post bcoz im a novice at this. im trying my best tho to improve

:upset: yeah im 22! whats your problem? i know a lot of things and appreciate a lot of thins. dont know about you.
but i find it hard to speak in your language. i hope you understand. speak my native tounge, maybe you will not make sense too >:(

[coalescence]

:upset: yeah im 22! whats your problem? i know a lot of things and appreciate a lot of thins. dont know about you.
but i find it hard to speak in your language. i hope you understand. speak my native tounge, maybe you will not make sense too >:(


Then don't try to be a smartass.
And one thing; its not my language.

[zeratul11]

:upset: yeah im 22! whats your problem? i know a lot of things and appreciate a lot of thins. dont know about you.
but i find it hard to speak in your language. i hope you understand. speak my native tounge, maybe you will not make sense too >:(


Then don't try to be a smartass.
And one thing; its not my language.


whats a smart ass means? smart ass! :P

i was just discussing my opinions i was not harming you or anything.

you told me that i dont made sense and im 22 and now smartass? . i was hurt. you started this.. better clean it up.

[mc2]

Come on guys, let's stay cool and get back on topic.

[Zeratul]

Peace guys

[Gold]

this is really stupid,
u jsut cant compare
the empire would never have to deal with the zerg
and
this is just so nerdy its unbleiveable

[zeratul11]

this is really stupid,
u jsut cant compare
the empire would never have to deal with the zerg
and
this is just so nerdy its unbleiveable


yah its stupid but at the same time its fun ;D
im a starcraft nerd and a starwars nerd, and i just want to show which nerd side is stronger with me.

starcraft WINS for sure! :thumbup:

[Gold]

well what about

star trek
vs
starwars
vs
starcraft ?

phasers pwn all end of story

[zeratul11]

ok lets post a topic for that. star trek vs starcraft? ;D
haha. starcraft still wins. :good:

gundam pwns all :o

dragon ball pwns all creations facts or fictions, superman, deathstar, neo, transformers, gundam, george lucas, the mask, jurrasic park, conan etc. heheh

maybe ACME pwns all. heheh. ;D end of story

[Gold]

nothing can beat a acme 50 ton weight
not even the person who bought it

[10-Neon]

this is really stupid,
u jsut cant compare
the empire would never have to deal with the zerg
and
this is just so nerdy its unbleiveable


If it wasn't nerdy, it wouldn't be an online forum for an unreleased science-fiction-themed computer game, now would it? ^_^

[coalescence]

WRONG!

Look at the expanded universe (outside the movies), after they fhought the cloned emperor (yes, hes coming back), they fight the Yuuzhan Vong. They are really different from the zerg BUT they also are a race that only uses biological stuff. Only thing is that the creatures itself are sentient.

[saradisper]

if, in starwars world is the team ''liverpool'' with gerrard attacker, then starwars has more changes to win! looooooool

[Fenix]

WRONG!

Look at the expanded universe (outside the movies), after they fhought the cloned emperor (yes, hes coming back), they fight the Yuuzhan Vong. They are really different from the zerg BUT they also are a race that only uses biological stuff. Only thing is that the creatures itself are sentient.


Yeah, those guys were weird....The Vong I mean.....And they freaking kill Chewie. Bastards.

[coalescence]

Yeah, those guys were weird....The Vong I mean.....And they freaking kill Chewie. Bastards.


I don't care for chewie, nothing shocks me anymore after seeing Fenix die... TWICE!

[zeratul11]

nothing shocks me anymore after seeing aeris killed by sephiroth :(

vong? i dont know anything about the expanded universe of starwars. so there are many powerful races in starwars universe not seen in the movie? but i think the EMPIRE is the only best thing starwars can throw at starcraft, all others are pwnable. heheh :thumbup:


why do you guys dont use smileys and etc? are those for novice? heheh.

[coalescence]

Yuuzhan Vong

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/Yuuzhan_Vong.jpg

[Fenix]

Na, the Vong are waaay stronger than anything the SC universe. ANYTHING. They have these ships the literally eat planets I think. I may be confusing that with Galaticus though.

[coalescence]

And the weapons rule too.

Empire also has this ships in the expanded universe that suck up the surface of planets and...
NOOOOO! I remember!
Theres this spacestation that shoots torpedos in stars that create supernovas. Starcraft, I love you but, EAT THAT!

[zeratul11]

now this is unfair. those are not from the movies anymore. :no:

and i think the best starwars can offer are already shown in the movies like the deathstar. i dont think there are more ships and other alien race etc. if there are, they are merely nothing to the EMPIRE.

lets wait for starcraft2. and see what starcraft are truely capable of.. in starcraft 2 cinematics!

starwars IV, V , VI. clearly pwnable by starcraft :P Episode 3 airships battles(at the beggining of the movie), thats it! thats starwars at it finest when it comes to war. imagine all 3 races of starcraft fighting that. BOOM! phoenix overload will destroy many of starwars small spaceships.

[coalescence]

Star wars is star wars. Would wreck the hell out of starcraft.

But man, think of it:

Starcraft: 10 years old, one developer company and a few writers
Star Wars: 40 years old, few developer companies and a legion of writers.

Ofcourse Star Wars wins with sheer numbers and mojo weapons!

[zeratul11]

Star wars is star wars. Would wreck the hell out of starcraft.

But man, think of it:

Starcraft: 10 years old, one developer company and a few writers
Star Wars: 40 years old, few developer companies and a legion of writers.

Ofcourse Star Wars wins with sheer numbers and mojo weapons!


yah starwars sheer numbers are their greatest assets. wo starcraft has mojo weapons too. a lot of it actually. ;D but starcraft can counter sheernumber, the rebellions did it. zerg has countless armies too.

you know what starwars maybe set in the far future. but george lucas and his team did not really take the advantage of it.. they could have made more uber power weapons and bigger stronger robots and not stupid droids (even bicentenial man(robin williams) is more cooler than droids.hahah.) clones are plastic they are just many. wheres the nuke when you need one like in episode 2 attack of the clones outland battle. lurkers will massacre those clones and jedis, and guarrdian will melt those droids. starcraft space fighter are of the same match to starcraft although starcraft is way behind in time. starcraft is not in the distant future but they know what war arsenal really means. now talk about the protoss. hahah.

its not about how big universe are.. war tactics and arsenals are all that matters. destroy the deathstar and victory for starcraft. weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ;)

[coalescence]

Theres this spacestation that shoots torpedos in stars that create supernovas. /quote]

[quote=zeratul11 ]
more uber power weapons


You want a weapon even more uber than something to blows up entire solar systems?

[Fenix]

Just a side note, that's the Starcrusher I mentioned earlier I think.

You seriously can't beat a supernova.

In SC lore, even the nukes are mini, tactical ones. Fulls are outlawed. So, in the SC universe, the most powerful thing is whatever the 'toss used to sterilize planets. That just kills life. Even the Death Star just blows 'em to shreds. Sorry, but SC gets totally pwned.

[zeratul11]

You want a weapon even more uber than something to blows up entire solar systems?


uber weapons doesnt really mean like that. what i mean is uber weapons for spacecrafts or landcrafts. heheh. dont exagerate. i know the deathstar. like gatling fast big laser gun for the bigger droids. see in episode 1 the tanks of the droids (very lame, siege tanks are more powerful!) against jajars army. a gigantic driller machine can own those jarjar right away. now thats one example of uber weapons. :)

wow a uber weapon that can destroy the whole system. wow! God save us.

[zeratul11]

Even the Death Star just blows 'em to shreds. Sorry, but SC gets totally pwned.


starwars only rely on the death star and nova's etc. but it can be destroyed. no death star is equal war. heheh. so now starcraft wiill pwn the imperial army. death star laser is rare, they cant spam it for heaven sake. its not that powerful because in the movie the empire are damn arrogant and they are only fighting a mere novice of a terran which is the rebellion. STARCRAFT MOVIE! now thats something to behold.

you dont talk much about other stuffs only the deathstar and nova's, and planet destroyer now. so it means stracraft units pwn all starwars units. surely starcraft has a way to destroy the deathstar :P rebellions are lame! and the empire cant even track and kill em all for all these years, and they lost. what a shame :-[

ow by the way protoss owns warp and time. maybe they can teleport zealots inside the death star.. and kill all lame officers and troopers. is death star black holeable? heheh.

[Fenix]

Even the Death Star just blows 'em to shreds. Sorry, but SC gets totally pwned.


starwars only rely on the death star and nova's etc. but it can be destroyed. no death star is equal war. heheh. so now starcraft wiill pwn the imperial army. death star laser is rare, they cant spam it for heaven sake. its not that powerful because in the movie the empire are damn arrogant and they are only fighting a mere novice of a terran which is the rebellion. STARCRAFT MOVIE! now thats something to behold.

you dont talk much about other stuffs only the deathstar and nova's, and planet destroyer now. so it means stracraft units pwn all starwars units. surely starcraft has a way to destroy the deathstar :P rebellions are lame! and the empire cant even track and kill em all for all these years, and they lost. what a shame :-[

ow by the way protoss owns warp and time. maybe they can teleport zealots inside the death star.. and kill all lame officers and troopers. is death star black holeable? heheh.



Lol!!

Even excluding massive attack weapons, one Star Destroyer can massacre countless SC units. You think Siege Tanks are good? Enter the AT-AT. It freaking killed an entire shielded generator with one shot!

The Empire is arrogant? Did you pay any attention to the plotline of Brood Wars? Any at all?

"rebellions are lame!" You do realize that the majority of countries these days are where they are because of rebellions?

Warping? The shields would disrupt that. But say they did manage to warp inside of an Imperial vessel, kill some officers, all that. A Star Destroyer holds 9700 Stormtroopers. Equate their strength to about that of a Marine. That's 4850 Zealots the 'toss would have to warp in to break even.

The Death Star holds millions upon millions of Stormtroopers and of thousands spacecraft. I would love to see what happens to the Zealots.

[zeratul11]

Lol!!

Even excluding massive attack weapons, one Star Destroyer can massacre countless SC units.Â* You think Siege Tanks are good?Â* Enter the AT-AT.Â* It freaking killed an entire shielded generator with one shot!

The Empire is arrogant?Â* Did you pay any attention to the plotline of Brood Wars?Â* Any at all?

"rebellions are lame!"Â* You do realize that the majority of countries these days are where they are because of rebellions?

Warping?Â* The shields would disrupt that.Â* But say they did manage to warp inside of an Imperial vessel, kill some officers, all that.Â* A Star Destroyer holds 9700 Stormtroopers.Â* Equate their strength to about that of a Marine.Â* That's 4850 Zealots the 'toss would have to warp in to break even.

The Death Star holds millions upon millions of Stormtroopers and of thousands spacecraft.Â* I would love to see what happens to the Zealots.


they are arrogant because they are unstopable against the rebellion. they think. AT-AT..hahah. siege tanks will bring it down to its knees. rebellions? what are you talking about. im talking about rebellions in strwars episode iV to Vi. LOL. most of rebellion in real life are losers! and always lose. wahahah. rebellions in starwars are lame compared to starcraft!!!! just look at them. no armor, toy pistols, lame helmet, they move like gays. hahah. terran marrines will own them. now how come the EMPIRE lose to them? starcraft has a bigger chance of beating the empire obviously. 1 marrine is equivalent to 10-20 storm troopers! their lasers wont penetrate easily on terran marrine. hahah. and terran guns will blast them all away. hahah. 9700 troopers inside..hhmmm.. 100 dark templar or 1000 zealots will pwn them. troopers moves like noobs, zealots are fast and has shield.Â* dark templar? hahah. :) STARCARFT MOVIE PLEASE!Â* ;D

hahah. obi wan and and other in episode IV V and VI were able to get inside the deathstar. OMG! accept it! troopers are nothing compared to starcraft even though they are many. hahah. nuke em all!!!!!Â* :thumbup:

[Fenix]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the eight wonder of the world,

A n00b!

[Zeratul]

Lol!!

Even excluding massive attack weapons, one Star Destroyer can massacre countless SC units. You think Siege Tanks are good? Enter the AT-AT. It freaking killed an entire shielded generator with one shot!

The Empire is arrogant? Did you pay any attention to the plotline of Brood Wars? Any at all?

"rebellions are lame!" You do realize that the majority of countries these days are where they are because of rebellions?

Warping? The shields would disrupt that. But say they did manage to warp inside of an Imperial vessel, kill some officers, all that. A Star Destroyer holds 9700 Stormtroopers. Equate their strength to about that of a Marine. That's 4850 Zealots the 'toss would have to warp in to break even.

The Death Star holds millions upon millions of Stormtroopers and of thousands spacecraft. I would love to see what happens to the Zealots.


9700 troops is also tiny as far for an army on a Star Destroyer...(especially for the Empire who supposedly control a incomprehensibly large area).
The weapons on a Star Destroyer and the spacecraft are the only real threat as far as I see it from the Star Destroyers.
Secondly the comment on the strength of the numbers of protoss required to take out one of these Star Destroyers is woefully inaccurate imo. Stormtroopers are NOT as good as marines. If you look at teh pictures of marines compared to stormtroopers you'll see a much larger want for armour. Terran marines are way more armoured one would say because of this. Stormtroopers suck at aiming, Marines don't. In SC the only way a marine will miss is if hes shooting from a disadantage of height (up a cliff) or shooting around an obstacle (eg. a tree) whereas stormtroopers will have difficultly hitting a wall thats touching the barrel of his blaster. From this one would say that 4850 zealots would not be required, in fact imo little over 100 would be needed because the stormtroopers will probably take each other out b4 even hitting the zealots once dealing a very slight amount of damage whilst the zealots would just slice the stormtroopers to shreds, literally.

As far as the Death Stars go, millions upon millions of stormtroopers are pointless if they're not in a position to be used.
For instance if a fleet of scouts came to take out the Death Star and assuming they couldn't take out the Death Star I still reckon they could take out any and all tie fighters (of all variations) with ease. Then again the Death Star has millions of stormtroopers waiting to be deployed. Wait one hitch.. how? they're stuck inside a massive structure unable to do anything.

AT-AT's are powerful, they could take out many marines no doubt. Many zealots as well. You don't see many of them though do you? At the battle of Hoth they don't use 100s upon 100s funnily enough and this is a siege of their biggest enemy. You mention how they killed a shield generator in ONE shot, I think some attention should be brought to the strength of the materials used by the empire.

You did'nt mention them but AT-ST's (chicken walkers) are one of the empires toys but they can be defeated with trees.. WOOD wow that metal is quality stuff. Just pointing out the strength of their technology here as I'm sure many stormtroopers would die trying to take one over yet I'm sure a Zealot could kill one without difficulty as long as it's approach wasn't completely out in the open. One could assume that the materials they use on Death Stars and Star Destroyers is of similar or possibly slightly stronger materials but these would have to be COMMON materials due to the amount they have made. Thinking also about the tie fighters, what are they made of...? hmm.. a toughie.

[zeratul11]

wwweeeeeeeeee. ;D

starcraft! starcraft! starcraft! :good:

i hope goliaths in sc2 would be cooler. ow an army of immortals pawns any heavy firing siege vehicles of starwars, like tanks of droids and war vehicles in episode 2 attack of the clones. arbiter plus teleported scarabs pwns everyone in naboo. hahah.

oh yeah mind control the stardestroyer, and let it collide with another stardestoryer.. 19,400 storm troopers killed :P

nuke! nuke! and another nuke! find our ghosts if you can. :P

[coalescence]

The way you talk is really.. annoying and childish.
And the fact that a Dark Archon could take over battlecruisers and stuff in starcraft was just gameplay, a dark archon actually can't take over a ship because it has multiple persons inside it... and really not a Stardestroyer.

[zeratul11]

The way you talk is really.. annoying and childish.
And the fact that a Dark Archon could take over battlecruisers and stuff in starcraft was just gameplay, a dark archon actually can't take over a ship because it has multiple persons inside it... and really not a Stardestroyer.


nah, your jealous and guess what that just made you look like the bad guy here who think hes something special etc. mind control the captain of stardestroyers. wwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeee..... hahah. the way you talk is arrogant and stereotype. really. look at yourself, 500 plus posts and 0 power. LOL. you should be more like mc2, remy etc. who doesn't let someone like me get on their nerves :no:

like i said im not really good in english, wrong grammar etc. thats why my post seem childish like you said anyway just try to understand if your mature enough.. which i think your not. have fun. and starcraft wins! hahah ::)

[coalescence]

1: Jealous of what? ;D
2: Like the rest of the crew would obey if he would say: ram into the other stardestroyer
3: I talk stereotype? Good thing, everybody understands me that way :)
4: Remember the stealing item? I went from 11 tot 1 and when I tried to help JBL (so his money would not be stolen) I went to -4, And I don't care for power levels, that's why I gambled them away. Furthermore; I say what I want to say and if people want to react by giving me negative powerpoints, so be it, don't care.
5: I'm not talking about your grammar, I'm talking the things you say and the annoying fact that you're repeating yourself over and over again.

Btw, I'm tired of argueing with you, just behave.

[zeratul11]

1: Jealous of what? ;D
2: Like the rest of the crew would obey if he would say: ram into the other stardestroyer
3: I talk stereotype? Good thing, everybody understands me that way :)
4: Remember the stealing item? I went from 11 tot 1 and when I tried to help JBL (so his money would not be stolen) I went to -4, And I don't care for power levels, that's why I gambled them away. Furthermore; I say what I want to say and if people want to react by giving me negative powerpoints, so be it, don't care.
5: I'm not talking about your grammar, I'm talking the things you say and the annoying fact that you're repeating yourself over and over again.

Btw, I'm tired of argueing with you, just behave.


ok. im a complete noob! i dont know about stealing and stuffs. so i better shut up. ok. got it. im annoying. but dont you ever put me down and tell me stuffs again just because you can't say anything more about how starwars can beat starcraft or any about this war. jealous of what? figure it out. im annoying because i say a lot of things and bad mouth starwars, theres a lot of people here who talks like me, i just stolen it from them. im copying the way you guys talk actually, wvery confident and with great sense of humor, well im the noob version. huhuh. :upset:


stereotype? ok not the way you talk. but i think you as a person.

anyway, im also tired arguing with you. you behave, coz im just replying and telling my opinions. annoying or not, you should not be affected. or just keep it to yourself. ok? good day! and peace.

[zeratul11]

2: Like the rest of the crew would obey if he would say: ram into the other stardestroyer
3: I talk stereotype? Good thing, everybody understands me that way :)



then mind control most of them crew on the captain rooms. then seal the door so no one can enter and begin moving toward another stardestroyer. boom!

an improvise emp shockwave by the terrans could steal away the shield of the deathstar. nuke em.

emp shockwave everything starwars then plague them and lockdown all spacecraft. infest lots of clones, nuke em, overpower them with zerg swarm. heheh

ooppss just spammed another one. mistake again. sorry. post must have an option to be deleted. so i can delete my spammed posts. heheh.

hey wait minute. i got less than 0 power for the first time (-2). i dont believe this could happen to a good guy like me :( . heheh.
i know who you are. i did not subtract anyones power here before just added. karma will come >:(

[coalescence]

Thats what I ment by spamming, just modify your old post IF you have something to say, don't double post.

[Fenix]

*SNIP SNIP*
Zeratul's earlier post.



Okies. Long post and I didn't want the mods to get mad at the word count bonus.



Right. Dude, it's the Inverse Ninja Law for the Stormtroopers. They only suck cause there's so many of them. Also, in the expanded universe, it mentions that Stormtrooper armor will stop most ballistics and absorb concussive forces. However, it mentions that lasers and blasters melt through it like hot butter.

Sure, a fleet of scouts could take out tens of thousands of fighters. I mean, it makes perfect numerical sense when a group of Marines can take one out. That's not mentioning the thousands upon thousands of fixed gun emplacements, turbolasers, and rocket tubes.

AT-AT's. There's I think 12 in the battle of Hoth. How many war machines of total annihilation do you need to kill one base? You must realize that the Empire is galaxy wide, and most like has millions of AT-AT's in various planets.

AT-ST's aren't armored. All Terrain Scout Transport. You don't armor ground bases scouts. Ever. They're like cars. What would happen if you dropped a tree on a Vulture? The same exact thing.

The stuff they use in the bigger war machines is some super-hard metal, I dunno what it's called. In the case of the AT-AT, it's described as "Blast-impervious armor plating." In the Battle of Hoth, you see it soak up the strongest attacks like nothing hit it. And the fighters? What happens in today's world when you hit a jet with a missile? It goes boom.

I think I addressed your key points, lemme know if I missed any.

[zeratul11]

hey fenix, did you just minus my power by 1 :upset: dont be bitter just because we are not on the same side. im just expanding my case and you should too, but dont get it personal. ok? ;D

like i said all starwars has to offer has already been showed in the movie. and i dont see other things like you said. rebellion vs the empire, there are only few battling going around in space in episode VI. quite beatabale by all starcraft races. remember the weakness..............deathstar. lets blow em up!

at at. millions? wow! nah, goliaths will own their heads. wah poor rebellions dont even have bunkers to protect them in empires strikes back. yah yah, at at may destroy bunkers (not that easy tho), anyway its better than not having one (bunkers).

the empire has not encountered a force like starcraft! rebellions are nothing but they beat the empire. starcraft will make darth vader tremble. he may even abandon hes sith lord and join starcraft. darth vader will learn to use a psionic storm if he want to and may learn how to cloak :o

[Fenix]

hey fenix, did you just minus my power by 1 :upset: dont be bitter just because we are not on the same side. im just expanding my case and you should too, but dont get it personal. ok? ;D

like i said all starwars has to offer has already been showed in the movie. and i dont see other things like you said. rebellion vs the empire, there are only few battling going around in space in episode VI. quite beatabale by all starcraft races. remember the weakness..............deathstar. lets blow em up!

at at. millions? wow! nah, goliaths will own their heads. wah poor rebellions dont even have bunkers to protect them in empires strikes back. yah yah, at at may destroy bunkers (not that easy tho), anyway its better than not having one (bunkers).

the empire has not encountered a force like starcraft! rebellions are nothing but they beat the empire. starcraft will make darth vader tremble. he may even abandon hes sith lord and join starcraft. darth vader will learn to use a psionic storm if he want to and may learn how to cloak :o


XD, na, I didn't power you down. I only power up, and that's when they make me laugh.

Right, time to break out the machete....

Um, no Star Wars hasn't shown all in the movies. Ever heard of an AT-PT? How about the Switchblade? Or the afore mentioned Starcrusher. And exactly, there were only a few battles in Episode VI, yet it was called the Galactic Civil War. Obviously, there were many, before Luke even stopped sucking sand.

Lol, I would LOVE so see a Goliath go against an AT-AT. It'd get stepped on....AT-AT's are, at the lowest of all the measurements, over 25 meters tall, and sometimes pegged at 40. I'd say the Goliath is four meters, at the tallest. And, ooooh....Machine guns and missile launchers! The AT-AT's laser cannon destroyed hardened emplacements and subterranean bunkers with hardly a thought.

I'm not even going to dignify that last part with a comment.


Fenix, OUT!

[starcraft2iscoming]

An uncloaked Dark Templare vs a Jedi in a lightsabor fight! That would be alsome.

[zeratul11]

nah, atat are slow! slow! slow! slow! heheh. i think goliath moves faster.. and one thing, they wont fight the atat at close range. their missile will be fired freely at long range and at all directions. boom! they will fight with tactics too, they wont place themselves near each other so that they wont be killed in numbers by the atat.

yes i know, there are many wars, but i think the last one in episode VI and the prime war of clones and droids in episode 3 are the pinnacle of all starwars wars. wweeeeeee. starcraft vs starwars is not like those wars. it will be the war that will completely destroy the death star (if the rebellion failed of doing so) and all starwars living things. heheh.

[swvssc]

wait is this star wars vs starcraft or empire vs starcraft cause if its star wars then everything and everyone shuld be included such as the yuuzhen vong

the death star suks they could use eclipse 2 wich will dedstroy a mother ship in 1 hit

a blaster shot will sear through the armor of a marine in 1 shot after al its a freakin laser bolt

the jedi will screw dark templar all they got to do is dodge their warp blade (predict their movement) and cut em in two, since they can use the force they can move as fasst as well as fast as they go

ps wookie would tear zerglin to ****

Please do not double, triple, quadruple, or pentuple post. Thanks.

[Gasmaskguy]

Pentapost alert^

[ijffdrie]

penta....necro.......fanboyism............TILT

*newb overload*