Terrans using protoss gear?

[coalescence]

I noticed that some people on this board also have extended knowledge on the warhammer 40k world and I'm curious what you think about the following;

First some quick information about the Tau/humans (for the people who never heard about it.
The Tau are an extremely young race who evolved in a few hundred years from the bronze age to a extremely
advanced race with a big sense of honour. Some humans and other races (Kroot, Vespid, etc) were under the impression of their philosophy (the greater good) and have accepted to fall under the Tau empire, adopting their ways of thinking and weaponry (altough Kroot don't really use much Tau weapons).

Now, do you remember the Raynor/Fenix armies around aiur? Did you ever thought about the chance that some terrans were so impressed by the way of protoss honour, way of thinking and even the khala that they wanted to be part of the protoss empire? Wouldn't it cool if some terrans would use Protoss weaponry? I'm not talking about the psi blades because humans don't have the psi to create them or the physique to enter hand combat with the zerg, but I'm more thinking about protoss tech suits, minor shields and maybe a photon blast based rifle/handgun.

What do you think?

[reject_666_6]

I think that Ghosts may have enough Psi to somehow create a Psi Blade or Warp Blade, and may switch to Protoss energy rifles for a boost in their damage. I like the idea of a very-late tier Marine upgrade that gives them 30 shield. But this all should be just for Campaign purposes, not available in multiplayer. I don't really see the necessary connection to W40K because it's not that far-fetched for some Terrans to adopt a Protoss' way of life. Raynor's the main candidate for this position because of his ties with Tassadar, Fenix and Zeratul.

[coalescence]

I think that Ghosts may have enough Psi to somehow create a Psi Blade or Warp Blade, and may switch to Protoss energy rifles for a boost in their damage. I like the idea of a very-late tier Marine upgrade that gives them 30 shield. But this all should be just for Campaign purposes, not available in multiplayer. I don't really see the necessary connection to W40K because it's not that far-fetched for some Terrans to adopt a Protoss' way of life. Raynor's the main candidate for this position because of his ties with Tassadar, Fenix and Zeratul.


It's not a necessary connection, but it was something I started thinking about when sayd to someone (who were doing a discussion about races from starcraft resembling races from warhammer 40k ) who sayd the Protoss resembled the Eldar, while I thought the Protoss looked more like the Tau (who were actually released later than starcraft).

[reject_666_6]

What I'd really like to see is Raynor's ship, the Hyperion, all souped up with fancy Protoss lasers and a combination between the Yamato Gun, the Planet Cracker, and the C&C Ion Cannon (a stronger, blue Yamato gun ;D)

[capthavic]

I really doubt it both story and gameplay wise. Most likely it would just be terran and protoss units working together.

[Zombine]

I think what would be more interesting is protoss using terran tech, bc you don't need psi to fully utilize it. Imagine a high templar focusing his psi power behind a bullet, and ripping through zergl carapace with that much more brutal efficiency.

Something i always thought was missing in SC was a sniper, this would be my dream!

think a .50 cal sniper bullet followed immediately by psi storm...

[Gold]

in the bonus hybrid mission the terrans there were using (not very well) protoss pylons, but its unclear if those are actually terrans or xel naga, if they were xel naga they would have been able to use the pylons easier i assume.

[Mike]

My first post here, so hi everyone :)

Don't know if there are any Sg-1 fans here, but if so, I figured out cool possible ending of SC saga (involving an idea from the first post).

[Slight spoiler of the LAST episode of SG-1]

IN Sg-1, when Asgard realised they are dying as a race, they decided to arm terran.. err, I mean earth battleship (forgot the name :( ) in ALL of their technology and weapons, making it the last resort, powerful countermeasure for Ori ships).

[End of slight spoiler]

Now, imagine similar situation in SC2 - protoss on the verge of complete annihilation, decimated after war with Xel'Naga/hybrids, decided to pass their technology to terrans, creating a few overpowered Hypercruisers.. Of course it wouldn't be enough to defeat the enemy..

[Zeratul]

SG-1 might be a better link to this subject than 40k maybe. Hope theres some tricked out hero unit :P.
I used to watch it a lot but I didn't really watch it in order often :-/
Can't forget the movie that started it all as well ^_^

Welcome to the forum Mike ^_^

[generalrievous]

ya a hybrid terran/protoss unit (as in terran in protoss suit) would be kool they need to make it like a special forces type of unit as in he has the psi blade for up close encounters but also weilds a pistol 8)

[Ghost]

I have thought about his alot lol, nice to see ideas from other points of view. Imagine a high templar focusing the power of a psi storm to add range and power to a siege tank shell? Or even adding psi energy to nukes? Talk about deadly.

[Associate]

the idea i have is the terran access to advanced mech technologies, this should help provide terran the chance to build mech walkers or something similar (like an oversized goliath) with powerful cannons and if possible with a land-based yamato gun. that would be quite a punch

[Ghost]

A nice, realistic addition would be the integration of shields to every single terran unit.

[coalescence]

Or the fact that Marines, Goliaths, Siege Tanks, etc could have a photon based weapon (like the dragoon and cannon) which probably works on some kind of cell and eliminates the need of taking loads of ammo with you. Offcourse this changes nothing about the gameplay because SC units have unlimited ammo.

[reject_666_6]

I would hate to see the Marine armed with anything other than a trusty machine gun, but Ghosts on the other hand would work very well with Protoss tech, especially since they already have psychic powers. Imagine one-shot-one-kill Ghost snipers armed with Protoss energy weapons, cloaking, Psi Storm, Lockdown, 'toss energy shields and a Nuke!!! That would slay in the campaign! ;D

[mc2]

Some Terrans on Braxis under the command of Duran already started to attempt to use the Protoss Pylons and Photon Cannons. Although the Terrans still hasn't master the Protoss technology, it is possible that they can use it one day. But remember this is story-wise only. Gameplay-wise it won't be very possible because it'll just be too unbalanced. Although there could be a counter for Terrans and the Zerg as to the Protoss Dark Archon's mind control, where a Terran or Zerg player can have all 3 races in one game.

[Honus]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Starcraft: Ghost already have ghosts using toss technology? IIRC, Nova was using a "cy-blade" that was based on toss technology. Maybe ghosts will have such an upgrade in the game.

[CrisisDarkerXIV]

Well, the Terrans and the Protoss were temporary allies. I think the research time to fuse humans with Protoss armor/weapons would be reaaaally long, I don't think Kerrigan or the Confederate would wait along for them to develop those kinda weapons.

And I don't think the Protoss are stupid enough to give away their technological advances to Terrans, especially when Terrans can easily say, "Screw you", and run off with hybrid Protoss and Terran weaponry.

The point is: Protoss aren't retarded.

[Frost]

My first post here, so hi everyone :)

Welcome to the Forums!

Not sure if i'd like to see Terrans wielding Protoss technology, even though it is a good idea. I really like the way the three races are based already
Protoss - High Technology, few numbers
Terran - Perfect in-between race, some Technology, good numbers
Zerg - Swarm, Low technology
If terrans managed to start using Protoss weaponry, even a bit i would get kinda discouraged

Just picture a battlecruiser with shields, Yamato gun, the ability to launch carriers, Planet cracker ogmgogmggogmgg >8OOOO

[JBL]

very interesting.

[burkid]

i just thought of something. what if one of the plot twists that would have been in Ghost was she(nova) becomes some uber ghost and starts using protoss stuff.

[slugonice]

I have a theory that in SC2, Terran engineers reverse engineered some of the Protoss technologies they found

[nijigasumi]

I think that Ghosts may have enough Psi to somehow create a Psi Blade or Warp Blade, and may switch to Protoss energy rifles for a boost in their damage. I like the idea of a very-late tier Marine upgrade that gives them 30 shield. But this all should be just for Campaign purposes, not available in multiplayer. I don't really see the necessary connection to W40K because it's not that far-fetched for some Terrans to adopt a Protoss' way of life. Raynor's the main candidate for this position because of his ties with Tassadar, Fenix and Zeratul.


i was under the impression that Ghosts in general have stronger psionic capabilities than the regular protoss (e.g. zealot)... i think this impression came from starcraft ghost and the ghost-based novels... on the other had, i remember in broodwar that terrans have BEEN fiddling with stasis cells and whatnot, albeit clumsily as someone in the campaigns said...

[Unentschieden]

Protoss were never allied with the Terrans, Raynor was a exeption. Officially all three races are at (cold?) war with each other. Terrans researching Protoss tech was already going on during SC: The Science Vessels Defense Matrix is a attemt to copy the Protoss Shield.

[Hadean]

Thats not necessarily the case Un. One could say that they had a defensive alliance. Against the UED (Dominion and Protoss), and then against Kerrigan (Dominion, UED and Protoss).

I think I made a post about this in another thread, theres some artwork out there exploring this possibility, and I'm pretty sure Spectre's utilize this kind of stuff. Blizz did mention spectres might make an appearance, though prolly as heroes.

[Unentschieden]

The SCstory was a Backstabbingfest, none of these "alliances" were throughout enough for Technological exchanges. Terrans will most likely (try to) adapt to Protoss (and even Zerg) Technology but they wont get help. It just wouldn´t fit with the Tensions portraied between the Races and Factions.

[PancakeChef]

Well, at Blizzards website it says

"Every protoss has a level of psionic capability that is extremely rare among terrans. The protoss of the Templar caste devote their long lives to honing their powerful abilities for war. Of these dedicated individuals, only the most adept and disciplined in the ways of the Khala can hope to eventually rise to the honored rank of high templar. The terrifying power of the high templar is rightly feared by the enemies of the protoss. A mere handful of these potent individuals can lay waste to entire armies of foes."

So only a very select few of Terrans could possibly even use something that requires a Protoss level of psionic ablitiy. So it would be impratical from them to use it because out of the entire population of the Terran only a handful would be able to use it.

They could however try to adept some of their technology that doesn't rely on a indivduals psionic power, such as what has been mentioned, a phase cannon or pylon that is just a energy catalyst.

[brc9210]

Terrans had defense matrix before they even knew that protoss existed

[i2new@aol.com]

I feel this is possable. But not in Sc2 or anytime soon.

[Unentschieden]

Terrans had defense matrix before they even knew that protoss existed


Wrong, the Manual (at least the German one) clearly states that the Defense Matrix is an attempt to copy Protoss shield technology. They are not related though as the DM is most likely unrelatet to Psipowers. That explains how the Technology gets refined into having a AoE while Protoss don´t have anything comparable (yet).

[burkid]

the english one just says
"the confederates have been trying to perfect stable, long-term force field generators, but early research has enabled the development of a short-lived defensive matrix that can absorb significant punishment. this energy matrix can be created around any unit withing a short range of the Explorer and is standard issue on all Science Vessels."

[Unentschieden]

Seems like the Protoss reference is only in the German Manual. Oh well it isn´t that important anyway. No hard feelings.

[nijigasumi]

Terrans had defense matrix before they even knew that protoss existed


Wrong, the Manual (at least the German one) clearly states that the Defense Matrix is an attempt to copy Protoss shield technology. They are not related though as the DM is most likely unrelatet to Psipowers. That explains how the Technology gets refined into having a AoE while Protoss don´t have anything comparable (yet).


well, terrans surpassing the protoss in some fields of technology isn't unheard of...

you never know... the protoss might not even be able to open doors... haha... joke...

[BirdofPrey]

Seems like the Protoss reference is only in the German Manual. Oh well it isn´t that important anyway. No hard feelings.
Ya mind posting what the manual said.


I remeber the English manual saying that it is rumored that alien technollogy is reverse engineered in the science facility

[PancakeChef]

Surpassing? I have yet to see any technology the Terran have that surpasses the Protoss, the defensive matrix is no different just because they made do some kind of AoE effect doesn't mean it surpasses them. Protoss technology is more advanced and efficent than Terrans, although Zerg might be the most efficent even though they produce and consume way too much.

[burkid]

I remeber the English manual saying that it is rumored that alien technollogy is reverse engineered in the science facility

here ill quote myself for you, because i posted exactly what it says in the english manual for defensive matrix

the english one just says
"the confederates have been trying to perfect stable, long-term force field generators, but early research has enabled the development of a short-lived defensive matrix that can absorb significant punishment. this energy matrix can be created around any unit withing a short range of the Explorer and is standard issue on all Science Vessels."

nothing about protoss, nothing about reverse engineering. nor is it mentioned anywhere else in the science vessel discription.

[BirdofPrey]

No no I meant the general description for the Science Facility NOT the science vessel

I read  that the nuke still baffles the Protoss.  Can't remember if it was in the manual or on the BNet guide though

[StarCraft144000]

The Zerg adate to their surroundings.

[burkid]

No no I meant the general description for the Science Facility NOT the science vessel

ok, yes it does mention that for the Science Facility, my mistake.


I read that the nuke still baffles the Protoss. Can't remember if it was in the manual or on the BNet guide though

i keep my manual handy for stuff like this.
no where in the discription of Nuclear Silo, Nuclear Strike, or the ghost is there any mention of the protoss. or them being baffled.

[nijigasumi]

No no I meant the general description for the Science Facility NOT the science vessel

I read that the nuke still baffles the Protoss. Can't remember if it was in the manual or on the BNet guide though



maybe surpassing them like this... i dunno... but it seems to me that the protoss are following a different path in terms of technology...

by the way, in official lore, remember the Great Purification by the UED..? they killed almost 400million CYBERNETICALY and GENETICALLY altered humans... if i remember correctly too, the human technology on earth is way more advanced than those of the exiled terrans...

[BirdofPrey]

The exiles were in stasis for a long while and most of their tech came from reverse engineering their crashed ships.

[nijigasumi]

exactly... hmmm.... i wonder why the UED came with exile-level technology though...

why couldn't they have brought with them an arsenal of earth-level technologies..?

[BirdofPrey]

Because that would have required a new game

[Protosscommander]

I hate Terran if ever they will used the Protoss gear mind their own gear!!! :-\

[Unentschieden]

Protoss Technology is greatly based on Xel´Naga Artifacts aka Psi reacting Crystals, remember the Crystals are EVERYWHERE.
Terran Technology is "superior" in some cases as it is modular and can be repaired on the field. Also they are the most efficient damagewise (If I read Remys table right) wich means they get the most "Bang for their Buck", their Vehicles are often multipurpose units, they generally have a "secondary" role unlike the inflexible Protoss with their singlepurpose stuff (mostly).

They aren´t hamphered by Fanatism, for them it is Greed wich explains having Mercenary recruting buildings in a Military Base. Many complained about Shields for Marines arguing they aren´t footmen yet no one finds it strange that the most advanced race uses melee troops.

[BnechbReaker]

it would be cool if marines had personal shields, i bet unlike the previous editor, the new campaign editor will allow this feature this time

[Lenga]

most people who read this thread obviously thought that by letting terrans use protoss technology, getting marines with psyonic blades was ment; i think the starter of this thread meant, that the protoss upgraded terran technology to their own lvl, like a marine with aa plasma empowered rifle, or a battlecruiser with more energy available.
remember, only in game the terrans could be stronger than the protoss, in storyline, the only battle the terrans won from the protoss was by planting a psi emmiter.

[Unentschieden]

That would interfer with Terran "personality". People are already complaining about too many lasers.

[nijigasumi]

i don't remember the protoss using lasers in sc1 though... just sc2... maybe the terrans and the protoss got there at the same time...

plus, humans have been using lasers for a long time now...

[Lenga]

not lasers, they are firing plasma

[Drafter]

StarWars had lasers =X
Humans can't just fire genades/missiles at enemy while in space so lasers is more logic than genades/missiles even though shooting lasers doesn't exist right now...
And I agree with with ijffdrie that most people that read the title of the topic and misunderstood that the whole meaning cause I know I did...

[Lenga]

from my perspective there are 5 lines of technology, from wich 3 are used in starcraft:
magical
advanced medieval, like laserswords and high-tech arrows
genetical: zerg
plasmatic: protoss
projectilistic: terran

dont know if all these words exsist

[Hadean]

projectilistic made me laugh :D :powerup:

[Drafter]

I must agree with him with the Terran too,they are the projectilistic race.