Poll: Which race will you play as your main in SC2?

[Remy]

I don't think I see a poll for this so I started one. If it exists already, please delete this thread, my apologies.

I just wanted a poll up so I can see, and easily check over time, which race people are committing to in StarCraft II.

Show some love for your race of choice. :good:

[Fenix]

See, I normally play the 'toss, but since Fenix is dead.....I dunno. It's really gonna be whichever race has the most unique units, so far it looks to me like it's Protoss, but it could change once Zerg is unveiled.

[Gold]

im gonna play zerg, there new smarming animation looks so cool, and i think in the end there gonna get the coolest units, like a beefed up ultralisk

[coalescence]

im gonna play zerg, there new smarming animation looks so cool, and i think in the end there gonna get the coolest units, like a beefed up ultralisk


Man, your getting weird ideas in your head, don't forget, its 10 years later. And only things you saw is zerglings, mutalisks and nydus worms. 2 old units and a unit that no one has even a clue about how it works.

[Zeratul]

im gonna play zerg, there new smarming animation looks so cool, and i think in the end there gonna get the coolest units, like a beefed up ultralisk


Man, your getting weird ideas in your head, don't forget, its 10 years later. And only things you saw is zerglings, mutalisks and nydus worms. 2 old units and a unit that no one has even a clue about how it works.

Forgot Banelings btw but yeah, no way of knowing how it will turn out

[mc2]

I have always loved the Protoss and Zerg. And hated the Terran.

Gameplay wise:
Protoss unit's powers are great and it's easy to micro them since there isn't too many units there in each combat.
Zerg are great for sheer mindless destruction. Just pump out zerglings and hydras and use the attack button and let them do what they do best :D

Storywise:
I would like to see (not so much the entire zerg swarm) Kerrigan lose. She should either die or return to human. The Terran's shouldn't win because I don't like Arcturus, he abandoned Kerrigan to the zerg. I think the Protoss should win this time because they've never won before.

[Blackmistres]

HAHAHAHA " im a ***** ass i dont like StarCraft" HAHAHAHAHA ether thats new or i missed it the first time thats amazing ROFLOL

[Zeratul]

It really does make me wonder what zerg units are to come, with ONLY 4 units shown in all... So maybe I'll use them.. depends if they reveal the overmind (3rd one i think) as a movable killing machine >:D

[coalescence]

So maybe I'll use them.. depends if they reveal the overmind (3rd one i think) as a movable killing machine >:D


Like Doom's spider mastermind ;D

http://www.perryweb.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/alex/doom/spiderboss.jpg

[Gold]

im gonna play zerg, there new smarming animation looks so cool, and i think in the end there gonna get the coolest units, like a beefed up ultralisk


Man, your getting weird ideas in your head, don't forget, its 10 years later. And only things you saw is zerglings, mutalisks and nydus worms. 2 old units and a unit that no one has even a clue about how it works.


well the ultralisk was in ghost, maybe that dosnt mean much, personally i think its one of those iconic units along with the zergling and hydralisk. but thats just my opinoion. THe zerg needs a massive beasty, even if its not the ultralisk it will be something.

[NotDeadYet]

It really does make me wonder what zerg units are to come, with ONLY 4 units shown in all... So maybe I'll use them.. depends if they reveal the overmind (3rd one i think) as a movable killing machine >:D

An Overmind is like a Death Star. You can build two, then you have to make some other superweapon or else everyone gets bored.

And... that picture is just scary. Seeing it reduced my lifespan by 50 years.

Anyways, I can't say which race I'll use for certain; after all, we've barely seen any Terran/Zerg units. Though I'll probably pick the Protoss.... Motherships and Colossi are awesome.

[coalescence]

And... that picture is just scary. Seeing it reduced my lifespan by 50 years.


Doom 2 version is gonna do that by 80 ;D

http://www.nextdimension.org/other/doom3/arachnotron.jpg

[NotDeadYet]

*Dies of old age*
-Not Dead Y... never mind-

[reject_666_6]

Why does everybody hate Terran? :-[ Just because they haven't gotten any really good leaders so far, doesn't mean that they're all bad...

[coalescence]

Why does everybody hate Terran? :-[ Just because they haven't gotten any really good leaders so far, doesn't mean that they're all bad...


I think because they resemble humans. We see far too much of those in our daily life ;D

[Gold]

And... that picture is just scary. Seeing it reduced my lifespan by 50 years.


Doom 2 version is gonna do that by 80 ;D

http://www.nextdimension.org/other/doom3/arachnotron.jpg




that thing is to cool

[Remy]

Why does everybody hate Terran? :-[ Just because they haven't gotten any really good leaders so far, doesn't mean that they're all bad...


I personally like Protoss the least actually. I also fear them the least in multiplayer.

[Gold]

na, the intresting thing about starcraft, is that there is no race that is free from sin,
the zerg, as innoncent as they are, are guilty of destroying countless world and eating casts species
the terran do so much damage to each other, and seem to nearly always be in a civil war
the protoss jsut coming our of the aoen of strife, immediatley exiled there own bretheren for no solidly grounded reason.

so there isnt really a good guy, just different shades of grey

[Remy]

Hmmm... I always got the impression that there were more Toss players than any other on these forums.

But oh well, Zerg is winning~!!Â* woot~Â* ;D

[PainKiller]

I am loyal to Protoss!
"Although we strike from the shadows we do not lack the currage to stand in the light! " - Tessadar

[Khalarius]

I am loyal to Protoss!
"Although we strike from the shadows we do not lack the currage to stand in the light! " - Tessadar


Didnt the dark templar prelate Zeratul said that?

[PainKiller]

I am pretty sure it was Tessadar.. damn if I am wrong now :P

I have to agree that to Strike form the darknes ,is a typical thing for a Dark Templar to do

[Singuris]

Terran cause they are awesome.

[coalescence]

I am pretty sure it was Tessadar.. damn if I am wrong now :P


Its actually Zeratul, in SC zerg mission 8: Eye for an Eye

And he actually said:
"But though we strike at you from the shadows, do not think that we lack the courage to stand in the light."

[Gold]

like i said before, you paly the campaign way to much

and zerg is quite clearly the coolest of all the races,
they deserve to be with a name like "ZERG" you cant much more original than that.

[coalescence]

Dude, I searched for it on the internet...

[Gold]

lol,
i thought that you jsut kept playing through the campaigns over and over.
the one time where the internet is the least sadder of two things

[coalescence]

It's in my bookmarks, it has every quote in the game ;D

[Gold]

;D lol

right now we are dominating the forum, most of the conversation is between us two on loads of seperate threads.
but this is off topic

[coalescence]

Disagree:

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Talking to Fenix, JBL, Zombine and another few ones too :)

[Remy]

Ehh~ as long as Zerg is dominating the poll, none of that other stuff matters.Â* ;D

[Darth Vergessenheit]

Zerg for sure. I'm sure I'm going to play and plus it's the only race I'm good with right now lol.

[Major Willy]

I love pissing off my friends as Terran in LAN games at the computer cafe (two of my friends lack internet). FFA games are fun with me because if my cloaked scout Wraith swings by two armies duking it out, in comes my Terran armada.

Voting Terran and can't wait until their 20 minute gameplay video comes out.

[mc2]

After playing the game so many times, I'm surprised to see that half of the times, the Zerg actually needs more micro than Protoss.

If I send out zerglings and hydralisks blindly using the attack button, then most of them ended up dead because the chock point is blocked with large structures with tanks and M+M. So i need to micro it to actually destroy the building blockage 1st than go and kill the tanks then the M+M

Usually with protoss. I can just send lots and goons and archon and DT out blindly and it kills the entire Terran base.
So it's surprising that the race that rely on sheer numbers need a lot of micro too.

[Remy]

Zerg is just beautiful like that. ;)

[mc2]

It does get frustrating, all of my mutalisks usually ended up dead even when I put so much micro into it. On the other hand, mass guardians and mass devourers always work on terrans.

Remy, any advice on how to prevent the psionic storm from eradicating all of my mutalisks?

[Remy]

Micro...

Split your mutas into more than one group, bind each group to a different key, then micro them that way.

If you can't micro your mutas to avoid psi storms or take out the templars, just take them to reak havoc else where.

They either only have one or two templars allowing you to maneuver mutas away from storms and quickly take out the templars, or they have too many templars in one place leaving other places open.Â* If you have 9 or more mutas, you can just fake movements, shake-n-bake then take out a templar in one shot anyway.Â* Smallers groups of say 5 or 6, would just be one shot per two groups, or two shots if that's all the mutas you got.

It's just as hard to take out mutas with only psi storm as avoiding it with mutas, unless you're just letting your mutas sit there.Â* Shouldn't be an impossible odd after you get used to it.Â* If it's a situation where you're also facing goons and cannons, it means you chose the wrong place for your mutas to fight.Â* Bring the fight to them where you want it, not where it's good for them.

[zeratul11]

protoss all the way.

[Bumbaloe]

protoss all the way.


I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with you.

[AvatarTM]

Why does everybody hate Terran? :-[ Just because they haven't gotten any really good leaders so far, doesn't mean that they're all bad...


I think because they resemble humans. We see far too much of those in our daily life ;D


No its not that! Their convits! Their Exhiled! OH WTF am i saying! Terran all the way!

[Singuris]

Terran all the way :thumbup:

[SirBaron]

Terran all the way :thumbup:

Gimme some beefed up BC and Jim Raynor, and i'm game for Terrans. xD

[Singuris]

reapers are gonna be the win if they are early game they will be the greatest raid unit ever

[paragon]

Terran
Reapers are cool, turrets still have a little man in the center, ghosts are awesome, I sure hope wraiths will be in the game.
They aren't some mass swarm race and they aren't some high tech race that thinks everyone else is beneath them.


test: will editing a post move it to the front of the list
result: no

[Associate]

I prefer using terran, they are well balanced and are quick to adopt to any situation. when it comes to strategies, nothing beats harrasing your opponents with cloaked wraiths

[Ghost]

I'll play terrans forever, even if they get underpowered i will find a way to prevail with them, there is always a way. Sure ill mess around with the other races but my main is and will be terran.

[10-Neon]

I play Random, I am loyal to Random, and I have completely decided on Random. Why is that not a choice?

[Remy]

I play Random, I am loyal to Random, and I have completely decided on Random. Why is that not a choice?


Oh it is, it is. It just reads "I'm a ***** ass, I don't like StarCraft." Don't worry about the wording, it's just very misleading.

...jk ;D

But in all seriousness, the fourth choice seems close enough. My topic/poll is asking about loyalty to a particular race. Random is not a race, it is a choice. Thus, it suffices to say choosing "not loyal to any race" is the same as you being loyal to your choice of choosing to be equally disloyal to all three races.

Wouldn't you agree? I think that sums it up pretty well.

[Gold]

i think its more a strtagec choice, to decieve the other player, to know each stratagie from each side of the moniter screen.
not a race choice as such

[Remy]

Not a race choice, it's a choice not to choose.

If random is truly your main, you are then not loyal to any of the three races. Thus, you are disloyal to the races whle you place your loyalty on your choice not to choose alone.

But I don't believe anyone truly mains random. There are plenty of people who are good with all three, but when it matters enough, they bust out their best. Like Testie did in 2007's Blizzard WWI against Bisu.

[Gold]

i dont think any pro could play random, to much to learn, you need to focus and become a master.

[Exterranminator]

:army:

I will take the Terran. Just i like theres style and tactics.

[10-Neon]

Not a race choice, it's a choice not to choose.

If random is truly your main, you are then not loyal to any of the three races. Thus, you are disloyal to the races whle you place your loyalty on your choice not to choose alone.

But I don't believe anyone truly mains random. There are plenty of people who are good with all three, but when it matters enough, they bust out their best. Like Testie did in 2007's Blizzard WWI against Bisu.


Congratulations, you've met someone that actually plays Random as their main. The only time I select a race is when I want to try a particular strategy, or when I am forced to (some people are racist against Random and ban players that don't choose), and even then it is totally arbitrary. Now, I will admit that I am more or less skilled in a race (I am best with Zerg, worst with Protoss, but will otherwise claim to suck at all three more or less equally), but I don't hold any particular affection, allegiance, or affiliation towards any one.

[TrustWorthyGuy]

Terran FTW :good:

[paragon]

My main in starcraft was random

[Heretic666)GC(]

I can't decide on a race until I've seen at least some of the new terran or zerg units in action, but for now id say TERRAN FOR LIFE *****ES!!!

[FlyingTiger]

I usually play protoss cause i'm pretty bad at keeping up producing mass units like zerg. Occasionally I do play terran and zerg if I'm playing at least a 2 v 2

[JudasXPriest]

Zerg. Im gonna mass 500 lings up some guys ass ;)

[Singuris]

Terrans in the lead yeah

[[LightMare]]

although terran are my all-time favorite, protoss is quickly catching up. Tempest, twilight archon, mothership, colossus, and so much more. they would be my preferred in fighting a battle, but terran are my classic

[LoserInLosing]

Protoss for sure. I chose it because not its my favourite , because how COOL it looks. Terran and Zerg look good too, but how cool does protoss look. Warping looks da best. The 3-d definately gave protoss a super look. The zealots roks too.

[mc2]

Don't you think that Protoss is the easiest to micro? It's easier than Zerg and A LOT easier than Terran to micro. A combination of zealots and dragoon(collosus now) and archons and DTs(stalker now) are just so powerful that they survive pretty well without much microing. Zerglings and Hydralisks die pretty quickly without extensive mircroing, and I'm not too fond on the idea of using ultralisks as meat shields. Terran ground units practically cannot function without extensive microing (except M+M). The siege tanks need to go in and out of siege mode. Vultures need control or it'll run right into a death trap. Marines and Firebats need stim packing............

[JudasXPriest]

Everyones saying "oh the protoss look soo cool. blah blah blah blah, look better than terran and zerg. thier gonna be so powerful. blah blah blah, thier gonna overpower everything else." but think about it. Their not even done with the protoss yet. They havnt even started the Terran and Zerg. u think thier gonna upgrade the toss, and just go "hmm.. well lets just leave the terran and zerg the same." hell no lol. thier gonna make the terran and zerg better too.

[Itsmyship]

It's all about Terrans for me...nothing says "i love you" than a fleet of Cruisers with Russian capitans =D

[munster69]

Protoss all the way for me. They always have been and always will be my fav. There's my 2 cents worth and my 1st post. Hurray for me ;D

[wuffle]

Zerg. Zerg. Zerg. Terran are too boring for me. Reapers do look fun however. Protoss look nice and are strong, but I think I like a nice big fat army with tons of cool parasitic creatures that will tear you and your technology to shreds.

[Frost]

Protoss or Zerg right now, i played Terran way too much in Starcraft and i got kinda sick of them. :-[

[Honus]

<3 Terran. I don't think there's anything opponents dread more than hearing tanks sieging or nukes launching. :good:

[SirBaron]

Zerg probably. They're the easiest to manage imho and besides i like their units ****loads (except the ultra then but heck...). Although storywise i'd lean towards Protoss (Zer<3)

[Majorlagger]

ill deffinetly play zerg always liked zerg the most and they are the hardest to play well IMO, but terran is a close second prob wont play much toss...

[paragon]

It's all about Terrans for me...nothing says "i love you" than a fleet of Cruisers with Russian capitans =D

They're mexican

[UchihaItachi0129]

It's all about Terrans for me...nothing says "i love you" than a fleet of Cruisers with Russian capitans =D

They're mexican

O.o lol?

[generalrievous]

actually they are Russian captains seems like the ascents in SC were composed of mainly Russian and southern english :P

[UchihaItachi0129]

actually they are Russian captains seems like the ascents in SC were composed of mainly Russian and southern english :P

whew... for a while i was like O.O i don't know my accents! T_T

[paragon]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0217061/
Jorge Rivero ... Battlecruiser Pilot (voice)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0729473/
Very handsome and muscular Mexican leading man of Spanish origin, on-screen from the mid-1960s. Ironically, in his debut film he played a masked wrestler and his face was never shown. Rivero soon became a sex symbol and a major box-office star, and was called by Hollywood to star with John Wayne in Howard Hawks's Rio Lobo (1970). Since the 1980s he has worked only occasionally in Mexican films and soap operas -- he has lived in Southern California for more than a decade -- but shows up in international productions, sometimes billed as "George Rivero."

[YourShadowDani]

Im going to be playing the zerg, always been my favorite race, they have always reminded me of Alien, especially since the Alien vs Predator : Extinction game

[paragon]

Sure they do. Raynor is a good leader.

[Code X Red]

Terran all the way! (a lil zerg too). :powerup:

[SirBaron]

Sure they do. Raynor is a good leader.

Yeah but a minor part of the Terran population is following him. I think he meant the Terrans as a whole needs a good leader.


Mengsk sux moonkays btw.

[paragon]

Yeah Mengsk is a douchebag.
Maybe the Dominion will fall and Raynor will take charge.

[Major Willy]

I've been cheating on Terran with Protoss in Brood War and now I get a bad taste in my mouth when I try and play Terran.
Am I a bad person?

[[LightMare]]

Im going to be playing the zerg, always been my favorite race, they have always reminded me of Alien, especially since the Alien vs Predator : Extinction game

and the predators are protoss

[paragon]

Im going to be playing the zerg, always been my favorite race, they have always reminded me of Alien, especially since the Alien vs Predator : Extinction game

and the predators are protoss

and the humans are terran!

I think everyone has already drawn these conclusions already many many many times.

I've always hated the Zerg though. The units are too weak and you need too many of them... like a swarm... to really do anything.

[Piretes]

Gonna play Zerg on Multiplayer, all races in Campaign. Actually, I hate Zerg campaigns but love their PvP and PvC power. Gotta love swarms.

[l)arK_oNe]

I cant wait......... Protoss!!!! All the way mate!!!!

[l)arK_oNe]

Although Protoss will be my main race for online (bnet) games, I still love the other 2 races! So far I think ill stick with toss but ill see after playing the campaign and if i like the new units.

[SirBaron]

I've been cheating on Terran with Protoss in Brood War and now I get a bad taste in my mouth when I try and play Terran.
Am I a bad person?

Yes, since i get the same feeling whenever i chose Protoss over Zerg.

[Major Willy]

I can just come up with so much stuff as Protoss but I can't get that creative as Terran.

[paragon]

But moving your production buildings up near the front line is so fun.
Marines, bats, tanks, and goliaths with bunkers and turrets scattered around your forward operating base.

[Itsmyship]

Its all about the Terran for me! But I think I'm gonna cheat with the Protoss a couple of times and see which one is my race (just started multiplayer). I hate the zerg, I hate their missions, i hate bulding a billion hatcheries....only thing i like is how small you need to make your bases :P

[paragon]

I dunno, those hatcheries take up a lot of room when you build a bunch of them.

[shirija]

I'm going to bide my time, and see which race is more imba. I've learned my lesson that I should not pick first since for starcraft and warcraft I've always managed to pick the weakest race as favorites to be loyal toward.

[paragon]

There is no weaker race in starcraft. Only races you are better or worse at.

[shirija]

Well, considering the game's played by human beings, there has to be better/worse races. Though adaptations are possible, I doubt statistics will ever claim equality.

[Remy]

Have fun analyzing which race is statistically superior patch after patch, while the rest of us put in time to consistantly get better at our main race.

This might sound insulting, altough it is not directed at you personally, but I have no respect for people who choose mains in any game based on "flavor of the month." I've always had mad respect for people who stick with less popular and lower tiered characters in fighting games, and over time perfect their skills to an art.

[paragon]

i change up my strategy all the time to keep it fresh. I don't look at replays and I don't know what the big thing people are trying now is.

[Remy]

This is completely off the subject, but Paragon, I feel very uncomfortable everytime I read your posts.

This girl keeps staring at me.Â* I also have a hard time severing the connection between Paragon and reaver, and adopting the new connection with the staring girl.Â* I actually have to take a few seconds each time to mentally draw a picture of the old reaver avatar and convince myself that this post really is by Paragon.

I think I make eye contact with that girl at least three times each time a read a short post.Â* Scary.

[paragon]

She beckons your attention with her sexy look. The reaver had to go, it way making people think I liked protoss the best.

I hope they fix up the replay thing in SC2 because sometimes I would watch a replay right after playing a match and the replay would literally have nothing to do with the game i played. The races and positions would be the same but nothing that happened in the game would be even remotely similar. It was very odd.

[Kae]

Well...I just recently started to SC again like..couple of months ago after I was done with college orientation and high school. Anyhow, I tend to stick to the zergs, mainly because of the rush and the units are expendable (except the expensive ones). And also, the hatcheries are fun to play with lol! Just place them all over, and just constantly send units to areas and stuff. But I hope that there will be new stategies for the zergs other than rushing.
My seond favorite is the protoss, mainly because I suck playing with them..IT's..just kinda hard to develop quickly with them and also somewhat expensive in gas as well. But it doesn't stop me from playing as them..I will master the protoss!!

[Major Willy]

Yeah 350 Vespene for the Arbiter not including 400+ extra for the spell upgrades was a bit aggrivating.
I find the key to Protoss is have a strategy in mind when you go into the game, get ready to build counter units you see what the other player is making, and expand like mad.

[paragon]

Well expand like mad is a good strategy for every race. However I generally try to have buildings that will produce any counters I need already built up so that I don't have to spend tons of time building the buildings first and then making the counters. Usually I only have 1 of a production building if I'm not really using it and then i make more when necessity demands. For the buildings I know I will be using I start off with 2 then go from there.

[MrFrancko]

Zerg ftw

[capthavic]

Terrans rule, Zerg drool (a lot)!

[EatMeReturns]

every1 hates the terran because in the original they are so averaged out, its boring. i only like the terran in use map settings maps, like diplomacy gold 7.7 because they are used by everyone along with individualized special units that make them seem less averaged. The terran are average strength, average damage, average food supply, average everything. that's why you could just mass battlecruisers-they are the best thing they have because everything else is so.. well, average.

[paragon]

psh everyone does not hate the terrans. I love my goliath/tank/marine/science vessel combo. My average units kick ass.

[Major Willy]

I love the Terran more than Protoss actually, I have a lot of annoying strategies as Protoss though.

And I think if you're a good enough player, you can use Tier 2 Terran units to overpower everyone else's Tier 3.

Wraiths and Valkyries > Mass Battlecruisers.

[paragon]

Wraiths and Valkyries > Mass Battlecruisers.

Well wraiths anyways, valks hardly touch battlecruisers so their resources are better used on more wraiths in this case.

[Ych9]

every1 hates the terran because in the original they are so averaged out, its boring. i only like the terran in use map settings maps, like diplomacy gold 7.7 because they are used by everyone along with individualized special units that make them seem less averaged. The terran are average strength, average damage, average food supply, average everything. that's why you could just mass battlecruisers-they are the best thing they have because everything else is so.. well, average.


I wouldn't say that the Terrans are just average strength.
They are the best at siege warfare and best at camping an area of the map with their siege tanks. Siege tanks with proper support, is one of the most feared combo in SC. Not to mention, they also have the best anti-air unit, which is the Goliath.

[[LightMare]]

Either Terran or Protoss. they are both slick and i love them equally <3 *a zergling approaches* eww *gives some kicks* :P

[paragon]

Zerg would be cooler if they were scarier. Or rather, if they were scary.

[Major Willy]

Actually a group of 10 Valkyries of mine with 2/2 upgraded took out 12 of my friends Carriers.

Edit: My Wraiths were still at the top of the map repelling some Corsairs and were flying to the VERY bottom of the map where the above fight took place.

[thiefingdude]

Terran ftw!

[paragon]

Actually a group of 10 Valkyries of mine with 2/2 upgraded took out 12 of my friends Carriers.

And some people think valkyries suck...

[Major Willy]

And they're better with 2 Armories getting their upgrades.

[paragon]

And they're better with 2 Armories getting their upgrades.

yes because upgrades take foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrestttttttttttttttttt

[Major Willy]

I always grab 2 of every structure that can make more than 3 upgrades.

Up-upgrade complete-ete.

[DeathRot]

most probably i use protoss as my main in sc2 which is also my main in sc1

[paragon]

most probably i use protoss as my main in sc2 which is also my main in sc1

Welcome! Enjoy your stay! Have a power up.

[SirBaron]

I always grab 2 of every structure that can make more than 3 upgrades.

Up-upgrade complete-ete.

Who doesn't? :o It's very convenient to get 2 upgrades done at the same time imho.

[paragon]

Has anyone gotten 4 before? Sometimes when I'm going full tank/goliath/wraith tech I will get 4 armories to get all the upgrades done quicker if I have an excess of minerals. However, this generally only happens when I am already winning and therefore don't have to replace my unit losses as much.

[Ych9]

Has anyone gotten 4 before? Sometimes when I'm going full tank/goliath/wraith tech I will get 4 armories to get all the upgrades done quicker if I have an excess of minerals. However, this generally only happens when I am already winning and therefore don't have to replace my unit losses as much.


Yea, I do that at times. But like you stated, it's usually when the game is over or when I'm playing BGH's. I don't think I have build 4 armories in a normal map.

But man, regarding this topic, I'm having huge trouble deciding a race. They all seem soo cool. Today, I may like the Zergs, then next day, I might become Terran, then Protoss. I think this is a big problem for me because by the time SC2 comes out, I must decide for 1 race so I can fully master it. With my kind of mentality, I wouldn't be able to do that simply because I keep changing mind. Errr, somebody help me please.

[Proxy-serva]

I think zerg is my main race like in SC I .but i can't say it when i don't have played every race..maybe its terran or protoss too.I must see
which race are the best for me^^!!

[paragon]

Errr, somebody help me please.

Pick terran. especially if they keep goliaths.
You've got siege tanks which are always fun
Ghosts which are amazing
marines
reapers look like they will be cool
and dropships to move it all around.

[Major Willy]

Of course I think I'm the one of many that's going into Campaign first to see what the hell happens.

But on B.Net I think I'm going to stick with Terran.

[paragon]

I always do the campaign first. Well, right after securing my battle.net name.

[MrFrancko]

Has anyone gotten 4 before? Sometimes when I'm going full tank/goliath/wraith tech I will get 4 armories to get all the upgrades done quicker if I have an excess of minerals. However, this generally only happens when I am already winning and therefore don't have to replace my unit losses as much.

I do this for sure. They aren't that expensive to build and if you are using ground and air it's clutch to get all the upgrades at the same time.

[Ych9]

Errr, somebody help me please.

Pick terran. especially if they keep goliaths.
You've got siege tanks which are always fun
Ghosts which are amazing
marines
reapers look like they will be cool
and dropships to move it all around.


I'm really starting to dig into Terrans. For some reasons, I have a soft spot for the Terrans. Terran also has my favorite units like the Siege Tanks, BattleCruisers, and Marines. But I really like the Zergs too because I like to swarm peoples base and destory them. It has this satisfying feel that I can't really explain. But then, I don't really like the Zerg units. Terran units are my favorites in SC1 basically and seeing how my favorite 3 units are making a comeback, I may have to go for the Terrans for now. :)

Man, I can't wait to see the new Terran Toys.

[Lemonparty]

Probably Terrans, but if there's still no real early-game counter to Zealots, I'll stick to Protoss. Zealots are easily killable but damn they are strong, 3 times the damage of a marine and 4 times their hp, 60 which is regenerable. Oh well we'll see..

[Ych9]

Yea, Zealots are strong. With the introduction to the new charge ability, they are going to be even more deadly. But I'm sure Blizzard knows what they are doing when it comes to balancing. In Sc1, Zealots were easily countered. In Sc2, Marines were introduced with a shield ability that is going to help themselves in defending. We still have no idea how the defend is going to work. Chances are, I think it is going to help off melee units.

We just have to wait and see. Since Terrans are going to be revealed next, I'm sure many people are going to jump onto their bandwagon. The new Protoss toys hype has died down quite a bit due to it been known for awhile. Once the Terran new toys are revealed, I'm sure many people are going to fall in love with the Terrans.


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[Cloud Strife]

It's Terran, and i am always going for Terran.

[Heretic666)GC(]

In Sc2, Marines were introduced with a shield ability that is going to help themselves in defending. We still have no idea how the defend is going to work. Chances are, I think it is going to help off melee units.


It has already been revealed that the shield will increase the marines overall health. That would help a lot against any enemy, making the already awesome marine even better. I'm definitely sticking with terran in SC2


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[paragon]

yay for 50 hp marines. Now they will last 1 more second.

[Major Willy]

Still won't help when a batch of your Marines are hit by a Siege Tank.

[Heretic666)GC(]

But it will help when they are hit by a wave of lings or zealots.

[DontHate]

i'm sticking with my main race in sc1, the toss.

[Singuris]

It depends if they remove firebats :upset: if they do I might go zerg.

[Ych9]

In the PC gamer magazine video, you could cleary see that the Reapers were attacking with flamethrowers. So I'm assuming that Reapers can toggle between Dual Pistols and FlameThrowers.


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[Singuris]

Sounds really good now we wait to see if they come early game

[AvantGuardian]

I've never actually stuck with one race or faction in any RTS game. Call me a jack-of-all-trades, but I like increasing my skills as much as possible with all of them. ^_^

[didd293]

I'll stay with the zerg, just because they make all those cute gurgling sounds lol.

[Major Willy]

Cute?
I was actually terrified when I was younger and even a tad scared when playing as them.
Then when I was older how I realized the power behind BEING that swarm.

[paragon]

jesus christ how young were you? i was 12 and i wasn't scared of them. it's a game. not real.

[Major Willy]

Paragon you were there in the topic "How old were you when you started playing and how old are you now?" or whatever it was called.

If you were, you know how old I was.

[Remy]

Oh my goodness, I never noticed before, but we actually have two ***** asses who don't like StarCraft.

[Quanta]

Terran all the way. God I do love nuking things. Even if they really aren't very practical I so love nuking things.

[BeachBum4eva]

protoss have never let me down and i dont plan 2 abandon playing as them any time soon

[Singuris]

Oh my goodness, I never noticed before, but we actually have two ***** asses who don't like StarCraft.


Who ???

[Major Willy]

DAMN YOU ANONYMOUS POLLS!

[Hadean]

Terrans! Mass marine SSTrooper style epic battles! Best stuff EVER.

[thrif]

Well, in my case it's either race except 'toss, but I'm still totally undecided since I've been shown too little of the two races. My main thought, before taking part of the discussions involving ghosts and nukes, was Zerg, so I'll vote it even though it's highly likely I'll settle for Terran. : )

[kingsky123]

probably play depending on the people i face and my mood

[CodyFallsForth]

I'll be playing Korean.

[Major Willy]

Koreans are overpowered.

[CodyFallsForth]

What can i say? I got hax.

[Major Willy]

LOL STOP MICROING. U MAEK ME LOOSE TOO MOOCH.

[Blackness]

Lol, i'm gonna be Terran probably

[CodyFallsForth]

Welcome to the forums.

And thats most likely my choice as well xD

[Ych9]

Wow, this is quite unbelievable.
The Terrans are actually winning at the moment. I really didn't expect the Terrans to win this poll because usually, people like to play with the races that are most unfamiliar with. Terrans are humans, just like us. I guess I was wrong about this.

[Major Willy]

I got the "Play human if you have the choice" from Warcraft 2.

Gryphons are sexier than dragons.

[L89]

Terrans all the way!! Marines + medics + tanks in early middle game = alien buttkicker!

Mmm time for some fried zerg + psi sauce ;D

[Remy]

Too bad Zerg is dead last, but this is good. The less people playing Zerg the better.

[Ych9]

I think the main reason that Zergs are dead last is because we know soo little about them.
We know alot of the Protoss and Terran's new toys, and people are assuming them to be very cool and unique. Once we learn more about the Zergs, I'm very sure that a lot of people are going to jump on their bandwagon.

[Remy]

I think so too, but I still wish that wouldn't happen.  But as if right?  Fat chance keeping the damn bandwagoners off their wagons.

[Ych9]

I expect the Terrans to skyrocket very soon. After learning all the new toys the Terrans are getting, I'm expecting that there is going to be a lot of bandwagon jumpers ;D

[Remy]

Yup, most definitely.  Hope they jump there and stay there. My Zerg wagon ain't got no room for them.

[tweakismyname]

ur totaly right remy.
zerg is gonna whoop all the others cant wait to see their new units cause theres no way they will look all ***** like, as some of the other races do.

[Major Willy]

Zerg can't whoop others because there's always a counter. Because...

THIS.
IS.
STARCRAAAAAAAAAAFT.

[FlyingTiger]

I usually like playing all 3 races and found niches and strats for all of them, but I will still remain loyal to my protoss ^_^

[Ych9]

I'm still undecided on what race I would be playing and mastering. In SC1, I would switch around and play the races depending on my mood. Although I was decent with all 3 races, I wasn't a pro with any one of them.

In SC2, I have decided to stick to 1 race and fully master it. I'm leaning towards the Protoss and the Zerg at the moment. Even with the recent chaos of Terran units/mechanics and how cool they are, it is clear that the Terrans new style of play isn't really suitable to my taste. Therefore, I'm leaning towards the Protoss givin those 2 choices. Once I fully understand the concept of the Zergs in SC2, then I will conclude which race I am gonna use and truely master it.

[kehmdaddy]

Right now I'm leaning towards Protoss, although I'm going to have to try them all out before I decide on anything. I've always liked the look and style of the Protoss the most, and their new warp in ability is right up my alley. Tempests, Twilight Archons, and Colossi, oh my!!!

[Major Willy]

Kehm those 3 units are going to be vulnerable to air.
Tempests have no air shields can can be taken down with one Yamato.
Twilight Archons may have steroid-like shields but they have a short range.
Colossi can only attack ground but are struck by air.

[Hadean]

I was a terran man in the olden days, i'm a terran man now. As Long as I've got Marines, Wraiths (Oh they had BETTER be coming back) and Sci vessels i'm a happy man.

Thor, Viking, and Reapers are just a bonus

[kehmdaddy]

Kehm those 3 units are going to be vulnerable to air.
I realize, but they're my favorite units revealed so far. It's not like I would only try and build them; if I did create them I'd give them some Phoenix or Warp Ray support =). And the Tempests can attack air units, so that group wouldn't be completely defenseless. And Twilight Archons look like they've gotten a range improvement since SC1.

[Dreadnought]

I like getting 300 minerals from 1 post too....
After seeing the terrans new units its just too obvious that they are the coolest lol.
Protoss are dumb in my opinion, Arragant, Decadant and underestimating.
Zerg are the smartest. They focus on physical being and are very conservative. If they were to rule the universe it would be a better place. However since im not exactly 100% naturalist i like the terrans. They got the big guns and the guts to use them. They are also very adaptive which is the way i like to play. Im more of a reactive person then a proactive person which might be my downfall alot but its just who i am. Therefore terrans are my race.

[Joneagle_X]

I think we'll all see the same thing that we saw when SC1 first came out. The beta is going to be extremely lopsided. Protoss will be the most powerful race, once again, and will be closely seconded by the Terran. For some reason, Blizzard LOVES their Protoss. It's like their baby race. Once again they developed the Protoss units and abilities before they did anything else. Therefore, everything will be based on the idea of trying to match the Protoss.

This is why Zerg is going to suck for the first few months. In SC1 patches were necessary in order to even the playing field. Am I ruling out Blizzard learning its lesson and deciding that they should seriously weigh the effects of the new units? No. They might actually be able to pull it off. But I doubt it. My suggestion for anyone planning on playing SC2 would be to start out using Protoss as they will be the race to beat. It's basically the same suggestion anyone would make to a new SC1 player. Play the race that Blizzard designed first and therefore is the easiest. Zerg and Terran are progressively harder to control because you need different and more advanced skills to match the overall Protoss strategy.

From what I've said, you might think I'm saying that the Protoss is the stronger race in SC1. They aren't. But they once were. I'm simply saying that as Zerg or Terran you must adapt and play in a more advanced manner to overcome the fact that Protoss was created more simply; it will be the same in SC2.

So my pick is Zerg, but only after the first patch comes out. I also hope Blizzard can churn out some equally impressive units for Zerg as they have for Terran and Toss.

[Ych9]

I'm don't really agree with ya Joneagle_X.
Although the German magazine stated that the Zergs are still in concept stage, I believe that they already have their ideas set, and are just playing around with their units. Remember, Blizzard wouldn't feed us all the info at once. They like to tease us bits by bits. Therefore, when we first learned Protoss, that doesn't mean that the Terrans and Zergs are not as developed as the Protoss.

[danhillman693]

I don't think that the zerg are still in concept; if you watch the gameplay trailer with the ghosts nuking, zerglings kill them at the end. And anyway, Blizzard has stated that StarCraft 2 has been in development ever since the Frozen Throne was finished; I don't believe they would be in concept after four years, unless it is one hell of a game. Which I sure it will be.

[Joneagle_X]

I very much doubt that Zerg are anywhere NEAR concept. You very well could be right. They're just waiting for the right time to release or are tweaking units. I am convinced, however, that the Protoss were developed first, just as they were in SC1. My argument is that Protoss was babied and now the other races have to catch up.

[kehmdaddy]

Joneagle, from a competitive gaming standpoint, it would make the most sense to use the Protoss if they did end up being the strongest in the beta or whatnot. However, it would not affect my decision on what race to play whatsoever. In fact, many people enjoy being the under dog. Right now, I am favoring the Protoss, but am strongly considering the Zerg because I think they're going to have some incredibly distinct qualities, like the Nydus worms, which are going to be a great strategical weapon that I would love to make use of. I love the Protoss mainly because their units appeal to me the most. An incredibly powerful race that is easily the most intelligent is the race I would most want to play with. From top to bottom, from the simple Zealot to the powerful Protoss Mothership, I like them all. Thankfully they got rid of the Soul Hunter, which I hated, and may have turned me off of the race completely. Now I just have to hope they get rid of the current Dark Templar model and take the team coloring down a couple of notches... then I'll be set to conquer the universe as the mighty Protoss! En Taro Tassadar! :good:

[Remy]

Deciding your main race based on "flavor of the month" patches is quite pointless in the long run.

I much rather play my race through thick and thin and be one of the best ones out there after many years, than switching around based on some patching and end up being half assed in everything.

EDIT: I have now changed the poll to allow people to change their votes.

[Major Willy]

I'm sticking with Terran. We're both human, we both love big guns, we both love women, and we both love money.

And nukes.
Big. Freaking. Nukes.

[stat]

protoss cause they are aliens.

[Rain-Man]

Protoss is my heart race

[i2new@aol.com]

Protoss is the olny race i'll need to play

[wuffle]

Zerg will pwn you all.

But I'm not loyal to any race. Zerg just look the coolest.

[MarineCorp]

zerg FTW!!!!!!!!
i love zerg and i will never betray them ^^

[i2new@aol.com]

Zerg wont be that strong, Even the little terrans would walk on them! and terrans will be my second choice to play! Zerg are to easy to beat and play as and i want a real challeng!

[timedragon888]

Zerg wont be that strong, Even the little terrans would walk on them! and terrans will be my second choice to play! Zerg are to easy to beat and play as and i want a real challeng!

Zerg are weaker because the strategy is to overwhelm the opponent with numbers. Most likely you've been playing against some weak zerg players to say that they are easy to beat.

[Ych9]

I'm getting very pissed at myself that I keep changing my favorite race every other day. I really want to kill myself. :-\
But I just can't help it. I have made my mind.

I will wait till after BlizzConn, and see what they got in stores for all 3 races. Then I will finally decide which race I am going to stick to.

[kehmdaddy]

Haha, I don't think having trouble over choosing a race is anywhere close to worthy of suicide. ;)
I strongly believe that after BlizzCon, lots of people are going to change the race they're planning on playing. The few die hard fans of one race from way back to the original will stay strong, but people are going to be band wagon hopping back and forth for awhile until the game finally comes out.

[Ych9]

Yea, I guess I will be one of them. I didn't have a favorite race back in SC1 because I always used the race depending on my mood. Although I was decent with all 3 races, I was never very good with 1. I want to change that around in SC2 in that I truly master the art of 1 race. So haha, I need to decide that before the game releases but from the looks of it, it is very hard for me because I keep switching back and forth everyday. :-\ :-\ :-\

[Remy]

Ummm... no Ych9. Sorry buddie, but can't have you goin' around killing yourself. Kinda need ya around here man.

But on the topic of being good with all three races VS mastering just one race, I strongly recommend any and all players to stick with one. It is infinitely more rewarding in the long run to be able to play a single race to the maximum potential possible by any individual. And when you get that good with one race, you kinda end up being not so bad with the rest.

And yeah, live. Can't go dying before playing SC2.

[Ych9]

Don't worry Remy. I won't commit suicide until after I crack open Blizzards headquarter and find some secret Zerg info for you. ;D ;D ;D

Back on topic, yea I agree with you. That's why I have decided to stick with one race for SC2. Just watching all those Pro Koreans play actually made me decided to do that because all of them were masters of 1 race. That is if only I could just stick with 1 race without changing it every other day. :-\ :-\ :-\

Well, 4 more days. I gotta see whats in stores for all 3 races before I decide. ;)

[Remy]

What I am torn about personally is whether I want more people to play as Zerg or not.

Zerg has so many strengths and are so flexible, I just love Zerg, I'm sure anyone who's been on these forums for a while knows this.

I want to advertise the greatness of Zerg to as many people as I can, so they can enjoy the same joys and rewards. However, at the same time I don't want too many people to play as Zerg so Zerg strats aren't too well known and overused. On the other hand, the more people playing Zerg, the more likely we'll discover more strats quickly. Then again... even if there was absolutely no sharing of information for SC2 for everyone, I don't really think I'll have trouble coming up with Zerg strats on my own.

I'm completely torn.

[PancakeChef]

I'll actually have to play through the game as all the races first, and decide which one I like best in SC2 before I make any choices.

[JudicatorPrime]

I only play Zerg when I wanna see my units get slaughtered despite their overwhelming numbers.

Im admire Protoss, they look cool but I've always been best with Terran. I voted protoss though.

[DontHate]

i'd probably chose protoss first but i like to play all of the races a little. Get to know it a bit.

[Ych9]

I'm sure all 3 races will be around equal in terms of usage. So it is going to be hard to keep strategies a secret. All the well known ones will be out in no time. But then of course, you could develop your own unique play style and tactics and that would be a totally different story.

Although in SC1 I wasn't particularly good with any race, I was actually the best with Terrans. I can say that I was very good at managing the Tank push. I could beat most of my friends with a well established Tank push. It looks like in SC2, the Terrans are going to be even stronger of a pusher with the introduction of the Thors.

So I'm still torned on what race I should master. Should I use the race I'm best with? Or should I use the race that I think is the coolest. Because if I am going to master the race I'm best with, it would most likely be Terrans. But if I'm going by the theme of coolness, it maybe the Zergs or the Protoss. Although Terrans are also cool too.

Time will tell. 4 days left only. I can't wait till all the info starts swimming in. :)

[PancakeChef]

I am very excited to see the new design of the Seige Tank which I beleive they said they would show at Blizzcon.

I am torn between Terran and Protoss as I have never really been too fond of the Zerg. The only thing that is bothering me about Protoss is the stalker/immortal new dragoon design which I don't like much.

[Dargoth]

I would most probably play protoss mainly, of course that doesn't mean i wont play the other races, besides i don't even have starcraft so i dont know a lot about each race, the reason is the graphics are to bad for me and i mind as well wait for Starcraft II to come out. Protoss has just always been my favorite because they are a highly advanced race in technology and every thing looks really awesome.

[Remy]

I only play Zerg when I wanna see my units get slaughtered despite their overwhelming numbers.


Time to learn some Zerg wouldn't you say?

Zerg units get slaughtered precisely because of their overwhelming numbers. No other race can afford that kind of wild play style.

Anyway, Ych9, I recommend Terran. Come release day, if you are absolutely overtaken by the coolness of another race, then by all means go with your heart. But if even by then it is impossible for you to come down with a decision, just remember that there once was a complete stranger on the internet who also loves SC that told you to go with Terran.

[Ghost]

Well, now that terrans have muge mech walkers and seem to have been watching gundam, evangelion, etc. I thin that they have mech'd their way into my top race for SC2.

[Deadpool]

right now im goin with zerg but im not completly sure i wanna see some zerg units in SC2 1st

[Joneagle_X]

I'm not saying that you should wait for the patches to come out before playing the other races, or totally committing to them. I just think it will be unbalanced in the beginning, and especially the beta. I'm really interested in warning first time players not to get turned off the game because they want to play a certain race and they're having a hard time at the first release of the game.

I was simply suggesting that just like SC1 you start out playing Protoss and work from that point with whatever race you feel you want to.

Even though I've argued that Protoss will be the strongest, I will be playing Zerg. Most definitely. BTW, someone really needs to rape Pixar for stealing the name....

[PancakeChef]

I personally think it won't be that bad when first released. I mean this is Blizzard we are talking about and when Warcraft 3 came out it was pretty good in terms of balance. The only flaws in balance I saw were very minor. They weren't to the extent that one race or unit had a big advantage over another.

So considering their past works I say the only problems will be minor.

[Joneagle_X]

If you consider WC3's balance of being the SAME units for each race with different designs (a warcraft 3 trait) and then heroes (which made strategy irrelevant) then yes, WC3 was balanced.

Now consider StarCraft with innumerable combinations of units. Then take into account that Protoss is already the strongest race (they cost more, eh?) and the other races will undoubtedly have to catch up. The question is whether they will shrink the gap during the beta.

[PancakeChef]

Warcraft 3 was balanced in the sense that no one race had a large advantage over another and its true that Heros can greatly change the tide of the battle but everyone had one as well so it was balanced in terms of how the game was played.

In my opinion stragety wasn't irrelevent in Warcraft 3 it was just a different kind of startegy with using your heros and items in conjunction with your army.

Anyway to get more back on topic, what makes you think Starcraft 2 won't be balanced, and that the Protoss won't be balanced because their single units are stronger in terms of hitpoints and damage and that making them cost more both with population and minerals wont work as it has in the first Starcraft?

[Joneagle_X]

Let me set what I've said straight and a little more clearly....

I think SC2 is going to be even better than SC1. I think the game will be absolutely balanced and will end up being the greatest RTS to date.

HOWEVER, I do feel that the Protoss are going to be stronger coming out of the gate simply based on the strength of individual units. For example(totally hypothetical because these units are already figured out from SC1) it is going to take a while to figure out how many zerglings it will take to kill one zealot, or how many versus 2 or 3 or 4 because the game is so variable. HP will be adjusted just like it was in the original SC with patches. Not all problems will be fixed when the game is originally released. It won't be enough to be noticed if the two players are unmatched, but if two equal players duke it out, it will make a difference.

[naduo]

i still go with human, i love all the machine and gun and stuff.
tho protoss is ok with me too :)
i Hate zergs,......why?.....well.....i hate bugs......

[Remy]

Joneagle_X what you said is true in that there will undoubtedly be balance changes and tweaks over many patches after initial release.  However, none of it accounts for Protoss being automatically the strongest race initially at release.

It can easily be any other race as SC1 balance was never achieved by directly balancing unit stats against each other.  Even at the current patch, Zerg units fall miserably short when compared to Toss in terms of individual unit stats.  But the truth is, Blizzard could just as easily over-compensate Zerg for Toss unit strength, and that Zerg is overall the stronger race.  That's not something you can tell right now.

[SirBaron]

I think SC2 is going to be even better than SC1. I think the game will be absolutely balanced and will end up being the greatest RTS to date.Damn right it's gonna be the best! :P


HOWEVER, I do feel that the Protoss are going to be stronger coming out of the gate simply based on the strength of individual units.

Well, i am going to say this:

It is a bit like Rock, Paper Scissors.
Protoss wins against Zerg and Terran through their resilience and good mix of melee and ranged units, but they lose on the cost and food front i.e that they are friggin expensive.
Terran wins against Protoss and Zerg with their superior firepower, but lose on the melee front entirely, and while still being moderately resilient (more so than Zerg) they have nowhere near the endurance of Protoss.
Zerg wins against Protoss and Terran in sheer damage spread, cheapness and foremost, their strength in numbers , while Protoss and Terran have powerful yet slow attacks, the Zerg have faster, weaker attacks that in the long run deals more damage, but lack big time on the resilience front.

Just one more thing:
Zerg - Glass cannons.
Terrans - Sniper rifle.
Protoss - Death Star. (note the pun on their expensiveness)

[PancakeChef]

Excatly SirBaron, the strength of a race doesn't just depend on individual unit stats. There is much more to take in account like attack speed, movement speed, ablities and so forth. Even though the zealot may be stronger compared to lets say zerglings, zerglings still come in more numbers, attack more rapidly and dont take nearly as much resources as a zealot.

So I think just unit stats and cost is not enough alone to base if its gonna be overpowered or not. There may be a few rough edges when it first comes out I agree but like I said before I don't its gonna be anything major like a race being overpowered.

[Joneagle_X]

I guess I'm not articulating the point clearly enough although I certainly like your guys' responses much better than the usual "you're just an idiot."

Feel free to let me know if my theory is way off base, but if I were to be designing a game and had the different races, I would also start with one race, and historically Blizzard has developed the Protoss first. They did this in SC1 and there are indications that they did the same for SC2 since Protoss was the first race to be revealed.

Now, if you have one race that is complete, and is supposed to be the statistically strongest based on single units, wouldn't you develop the other races to compensate, but not OVER compensate for that strength? It is absolutely true that Zerg or Terran might end up being stronger than the other races, but I find it highly unlikely. I think the tweaks will be mostly aimed at the Zerg to either raise HP or attack speed, or lower costs.

In fact, until the game is fully playable and out of beta, we won't know.

[PancakeChef]

I understand what you are saying and it is quite a possiblity, but I'm hoping that Blizzard which is known for its gameplay and balance won't come to that. They are gonna go through extensive balancing testing and since their release date so far is "when its done" they will have the time they need to get as right as they want it.

We will really just have to wait and see and hope Blizzard knows what they are doing as much as we like to think they are.

[Remy]

Joneagle_X we all know, at least I know, what you're saying but it just doesn't come to the conclusion you are making logically.

The very fact that SC isn't an arena style game where everything is on equal terms when you duke it out makes your Protoss units are the strongest argument useless, that is completely irrelevant. You have made the mistake of assuming an irrelevant proof as a postulate. In SC1 for example, Protoss was the only race without a high mobility high movement speed hit-and-run harassment unit at tier 2. Zerg on the other hand, had only one viable caster where as others had 3. Zerg also had no ground siege unit at all. But all of it was balanced, because individual unit strength never directly dictated balance. Maybe in a game where there are some kind of mutually limiting factor, such as turns or unit count limit(as opposed to food limit), but in SC it is in no way a direct and absolute influence.

While no doubt SC2 won't be balanced right at launch, but what you said about how Blizzard will make sure they will not overcompensate makes no sense at all, it goes against logic. Then are you saying Blizzard will consciously undercompensate? Of course that will not be the case, Blizzard will aim for perfect balance right at initial release even though it most likely won't happen. Some units will be overpowered and some will be under-powered, but somehow you think that all OP will fall on one race only, while all under-powered stuff will magically steer away from Protoss and land on other races? The realistic answer is no.

I noticed that you threw out the ever classic "historically..." very nice, but the fact is, historically SC1 has never had a history during development. It had no sequel, there was no previous examples and experience to set a guideline for the devs to learn from and go by like this time. You say because Blizz did so in the past Toss will be OP at release, but it is just as likely if not much more likely that because Blizz did so in the past that will be one of the things that they will consciously avoid. By that logic, Blizzard will almost certainly launch with Protoss as the weakest race, but that's not good logic either.

But none of that matter, because the truth is that no one can tell, not even Blizzard. However, somehow you seem to think you can draw that conclusion even though the evidence and proofs you present do not directly support your proposition. The chances of Protoss to be OP at release is 33.3%, and of course this is all first assuming that SC2 will not be balanced at launch naturally. 33.3% chance, It is that unlikely, or just as likely, depending on how you want to look at it.

You are passing variables as facts and making connections between unrelated facts solely by assumption, that's why it doesn't add up to your conclusion yet you still believe it. You need to first examine the relevance of a supporting proof before you can present it as absolute and argue its logic. Say C is true if B is true, but even if A is true it doesn't mean C is true if A never had anything to do with B in the first place. So saying A is true, so then B is true, therefore C is true is flawed logic, because you yourself took the liberty of making a connection between A and B.

[Hadean]

Why is it, that Remy's post make me want to have sex with him? Its not just me is it?

But yeah Johnny ol' boy. Of course Protoss are in a way "Stronger" than any other race and would win in a stand up fight, thats the way it was in sc1 too. If you got Lot rushed as a terran you could very well be screwed, because your early boys couldn't stand up to the sheer power of Lots. But who the hell fights protoss on their terms man? If you attack with Collosi, i'll kill you with Viking Air or Thors. If you attack with Zealots i'll use Cobra's and Banshee's if you attack with Immortals, i'll attack with M&M's.

Just because with each tier, the protoss have higher stats higher damage etc. does not mean that they will instantly defeat their enemies no matter what. It's not always Tier 1 vs Tier 1 or Tier 2 vs Tier 2. Hell no, it's completely different.

[Joneagle_X]

Wow... I didn't think I would get chewed out for that ;)

Remy, I totally understand your criticism. I'm basing my opinion--and that's an OPINION--on what I remember from the original release of StarCraft. I could go look it up in the individual patches released, but I believe it took 2 patches before the game was considered "balanced," and many more patches were made after that to perfect it. Therefore, my comment about the "history" of the game rings quite true. Also, don't forget the expansion pack. Rebalancing took place there as well; your statement that there is no historical evidence is just as much a blatant assumption as you said my statements were.

You are right about the statistical chances of any one race being stronger than the other being roughly equivalent, but don't you think, if you suppose that Blizzard did develop the Protoss before the other races, that it is likely they will be the race favored in development? I certainly do. I've said nothing about an individual unit turning the battle and unbalancing the whole game in the early, middle, and late stages. That doesn't happen in SC and it won't happen in SC2.

My only point is that I will be very suprised if a patch doesn't come out less than 3 weeks after release in an effort to rebalance the game, and it is aimed at reigning the Protoss in because of their dominance. I think most SC players would agree with me on this.

Of course, each race will be stronger at different points in the game if you go by what you're saying. Face it, in the early stages of the game there's only really a couple types of basic units you'll be using, and if they're even slightly unbalanced, game over. Don't tell me that a single unit doesn't have an effect. Now later in the game this might not be so as a lurker might be extraordinarily powerful but can be easily countered by an air unit. Players will adapt.

I don't think my supposition was worth an attack on my logic. This is, after all, a question which cannot be answered and it is very difficult to find actual proof when the games are balanced so carefully and with such tiny adjustments.

Trust me, I don't want to make you mad in any way, but your attack seemed hypocritical to me in that you are making such assumptions about my argument when you just attacked my post for doing so. I think SC2 is going to be the best RTS ever released. I was just pointing out that Blizzard needs to be careful about the way they develop the Protoss in relation to the other races.

Thanks for the opinion.

[Remy]

Hmmm... too bad you took it as an attack. I don't get to "chew" anyone out, I'm just a poster, I say what I think. I don't know why you should care if I'm mad, but anger or resentment was not the reason behind me posting my reply. I read, I disagreed, I posted.

About the history thing, I don't think you understood what I meant. I am actually personally quite aware that it took many patches to balance SC1, and there will undoubted many to come for SC2. What I was actually saying was that SC1 didn't have a history during development because it was StarCraft ONE. We now have a "historically..." to reflect on because this is the development of SC2, the history is of its predecessor SC1. That is a differentiating factor in that the devs never had anything to look back to, to learn from to avoid mistakes, but this time they do. I don't really understand how you got what you got from what I said, but I do admit that my wording was less than perfectly clear.

Every single unit has an effect, but you are basing your opinion based on unit stats, which isn't what directly dictates balance. And you are also assuming because of stats Protoss will have all the OP units at launch by default. That is already two assumptions right there. I'm not attacking your logic, but you can not argue something by logical deduction when you are using assumption as proof.

You argument that Blizzard having started on development of Protoss first will thus favor them and consequently produce an imbalance leaning in favor of Protoss is again illogical. They will not favor something and create an imbalance. They will be the ones getting right back to work after two sips of champaign at launch just to go back and make patches to fix the imbalances they put into the game. Blizzard will not favor anything. No matter how much you want to believe otherwise, it is in their own best interest in every way to put out a final product that is as close to complete and utter perfect balance at launch as they humanly can. Professionalism, sense of accomplishment, peace of mind, fat Chirstmas bonus, fame and renown, popularity with fans, future sales, reputation, or still something else. I don't know which of these or even all of these you find feasible to be the motivation behind the SC2 devs, but any and all reasons will push them to strive toward perfect balance and the hell away from favoring anything in the game, let alone a whole race.

I also disagree that most SC players will agree with you in that Protoss would be OP at launch. The more normal and logical response from the average SC fan would be it could just as well be any race that ends up being OP. I read posts that I disagree with very carefully, but I just don't see any real evidence that supports your theory. They do provide a reason for the formation of your opinion, but certainly not directly supportive as to convince someone else.

Even in this last post of yours, you do not actually make a real connection from "something will be OP at launch" to "it will be Protoss." The only things close to a logical explanation is because it happened before and Protoss units have the strongest individual stats, both of which I've already touched on as to why they do not equate to Protoss being OP. As far as I can see, your argument stopped right at "something will be OP at launch."

[Joneagle_X]

So upon what "fact," other than your own assumptions about how Blizzard works do you base your assertion that Blizzard doesn't favor the Protoss?

And also, don't think I'm taking offense to your post. I'm just posing food for thought.... and maybe a little black sheep wall ;).

It looks like it's going to be about 10 years between the two releases.... I doubt very much that the development team contains too many of the original programmers. Their bias could completely change, but the common perspective is that the Blizzard development team has tended to "love," if you will, the Protoss.

I don't really know how this became a discussion of logic, but as I've said before, this isn't really a question that can be definitively answered.

Don't assume that Blizzard will learn from the past mistakes, even if they can be called mistakes. I still think SC beats the bejesus out of most games released, EVER! It is certainly #1 on my all-time gaming list, and I expect it to be surmounted by SC2.

I have two complaints: Protoss is quite clearly the most developed race as of now, and therefore was MOST LIKELY started first, and unless they have completely separate teams developing each of the races I would chance to guess their team room sounded a little like this:

Blizz1: "Hey, did you see that kick ass Immortal we just came up with?"

Blizz2: "Yea, I think I'm gonna **** a Zergling at their amazingness."

Blizz3: "So what will we come up with to match the Immortal for Terran or Zerg?"

Blizz1: "Awww, we'll think of something. We'll just come up with a new concept that makes cool farting noises but won't quite match up at first."

Blizz2: "Yeah, it's okay, we'll fix it... So long as the Protoss PWN! mpa hack on!!1"

Now, I'm not saying Blizzard is totally biased toward the Protoss, but it has been evident. Don't tell me there isn't a similarity between Protoss being more powerful in SC1 at first release and then Protoss being developed first in SC2. It's way too much of a coincidence.

[GrahamTastic]

I can't even follow this argument anymore. If you ask me, there is no way to know for sure that a race will be unbalanced at all, let alone knowing for sure that it will be the Protoss. There are always variables that are not taken into account when trying to make assumptions like this. But, rest assured, after a few month's worth of patches, the game will be balanced.

[Warsaw]

its so predictable that most people voted for protoss when protoss has the most info out about them and least people chose zerg when zerg has almost no info out on them. I chose zerg because they were so cool in the first sc. I hope they wont get raped by the new tech of toss and terran.

[danhillman693]

It won't be very hard for Blizzard to balance the races; I know they have confirmed all of the units and abilities, because how else would they balance the races? All units may not have been released to the public just yet, but I know Blizzard has all of them made. They could have some type of formula to help balance the races a little better, with stats of units, the cost of units, the time it takes to make the units, and so on. That is just a good guess.

[Ych9]

Now that BlizzConn is over, I can tell you I'm much more impressed with the Protoss then the Terrans. Yes, the Terrans are also very cool too, but I just find the art of the Protoss a lot more appealing.

Blizzard really wants to convince me to play the Protoss this time around by bringing back the Carriers. The introduction to the Stasis Orb is not to shabby too because I think it will bring it a lot of new startegies based on that unit. It would kind of be like the ultimate support unit in that you always bring in like 2-3 with your units into battle. From the videos, Zealot charging looks even faster and deadlier. I can't wait to get my hands on the Zealots.

Only thing that is turning me down is the Mothership. Blizzard should simply bring back the old mechanic of the Mothership in that they are a super unit and limit to 1 per game. Otherwise, their role in battle is going to overlap the Carriers. Both seems like the current Protoss Captial ship but to be honest, we don't even know which one will be the bigger one if Blizzard intends to keep the current mothership. Here is hoping that Blizzard was rushing out this Mothership idea to the public so that they could see the fans reaction to it. Since most of it is pretty negative, they will probably change it back.

As for the Zergs, I'm very disappointed of the no show at BlizzCon because I seriously thought that the Terran demo will be more of a Terran vs Zerg (Like the Protoss demo back in May which was Protoss vs Terran) without showing too much Zerg.

But as of now, I'm really digging the Protoss in SC2 :good:

[PancakeChef]

I'm honestly still torn between either Protoss or Terran. I just don't know which one to mainly be. The pros and cons seem to be equal on both sides in terms of how I like them. The only real thing turning me off to the Protoss is the design of the stalkers and immortals, everything else looks fantastic.

[-LT-]

I'm gonna play zerg. Can't wait

[Ghost]

Lol I cant believe that Terrans havent taken the lead after these recent updates.

[Nikzad]

I played and stayed with Protoss ever since I started...but now I am older, and I will have to see what race fits my personality best this time around...I'm undecided

[DaygoWop]

I am honestly still undecided! I think it is funny that 3 people voted "Im a panzey ass..." Hahahaha ;D

[Tibalt[terranz]989]

Man I sure do love the Zerg. They have been my favorite since day one. Sadly I voted Terran since im really liking everything Ive seen from them so far. The Vikings are great and I cant wait to try out the Reapers. Im sure once they start rolling out Zerg stuff im gonna be drooling over it but I think once it releases im going to be rocking and rolling with my marines and ghosts more than the Zerg this time around.

I really hope they dont have a 1 per army unit like the mothership. That strikes me as way to close to Heros and I felt that really hurt WC3. I just want my units to take on yours and not have to worry about one uber unit that could ruin me. I really with they would take the Mothership out.

[Joneagle_X]

I'm definitely with Ych9.... I was pretty upset that we didn't see ANYTHING Zerg from Blizzcon.....

I was really hoping that they would finally reveal just a tidbit of a new unit for Zerg, and I'm still convinced that Blizzard is pretty undecided on what they're going to do with them. They probably have no idea how to make them different from the other races because of all these novel ideas and the changes in terrain.

Because of the new layout of maps with these deep ravines, I figure Blizzard is either going to send them underground, via tunnels, or will send them to the air like they did the other three races. I'm just hoping they stick with the Zerg "theme" of assimilation. Their entire purpose is to take over beings and evolve them into something useful.

They assimilated the Overlords for transport, and then evolved them into a control unit. They evolved the Hydralisk, which them mutated into Lurkers, etc....

I'm stickin' by my guns with Zerg, because they I think they will show themselves as distinctively different from Terran and Protoss which have always been pretty similar because of the Humans' attempts to replicate the Protoss, even if in a different way.

[danhillman693]

It seems that the Protoss have always acted "humorous". Do you get what I'm saying? In the briefings, Tassadar, Aldaris, and Tarsonis seem pretty serious, but the other units in-game seem like they are happy. Of course, zealots say "I love combat."

[Remy]

Ych9, very interesting, because I feel completely opposite from you my man.

The Terran badass-o-meter is shooting up to the roof for me, while the BlizzCon showing of Protoss felt like Blizzard is taking Toss a step closer to SC1: Rehash Land. Protoss overall has been a huge disappointment at BlizzCon, not just the MS either. The change of developmental direction is a let down. But some of it was kinda expected, I knew that Protoss especially was gonna get spanked with the nerf stick a few times even before beta.

Terran on the other hand, just look so good right now. They are as strong as ever with even more firepower, tactical options, and just plain neat tricks. The current Terran has gained versatility and flexibility that they never had, and also very importantly, doesn't appear to be too OP, just the way I like it. Depending on how the actual Terran gameflow turns out to be, I might seriously have to consider giving Terran a share of my play time.

Now where is Zerg. Hell, it's about damn time...


So upon what "fact," other than your own assumptions about how Blizzard works do you base your assertion that Blizzard doesn't favor the Protoss?


You have a very strange logic. Nothing is established, until given proof, that is how everything works. You somehow think it is the other way around, guilty until proven innocent, that's not how it works. You are making the assumption that Blizzard devs are favoring something despite that it is the exact opposite of what would be in their best interest in every way. Then, you take another jump with a second assumption that it is Protoss. And you're here asking me what I am basing my assumption that Blizzard doesn't favor Protoss on? Nothing, I'm not assuming, you are the one with the assumptions. Not assuming anything in this case would be leaving things at default, which is there is no favoritism from Blizz.

And you point out that having it been 10 years, most of the dev team would be completely different members, YET all these different people would somehow still magically come together and favor Protoss. Amazing logic, truly astounding. And you think they can somehow do that, but you don't embrace the notion of them learning from past development efforts within the same company, within the same franchise. This 10 year old game is the game that they have to look to, to compare current development with, and to use to gauge themselves every step of the way. It's the game that they themselves as well as the entire SC1 fanbase will judge them on. So yeah, I personally think that they would actually learn from the past.

This doesn't have to be a discussion of logic if it isn't an issue, but it is. When two or more people participate in a discussion or debate and exchange opinions, you may think it is a casual affair and information is exchanged at radom. However, whether you realize or not, there must be and always are established systems of rules that govern the validity of the information presented, and that is logic. This usually goes without saying, as most people have a fair understanding of logic even if they don't consciously realize it, it is part of "common sense" and the ability to reason.

When a claim is made, even if it's only an opinion, unless it pertains to something entirely and specifically personal, proof and reason is expected. "I like to wear red boxers" can go without proof because it pertains to myself, but "I think Jim likes to wear red boxers" is not the same. Somethings are so trivial or commonly known and accepted that additional providing additional proof is unnecessary, such as "I believe that cows are herbavores." Whether you acknowledge it or not, everyone who actively partakes in any discussion on these forums are are already exercising logic, including yourself. "It's just my opinion" is usually not a reason, a great many ideas here are just personal opinions. If you go around on stating it as reason to support your opinions on forums, no one will take you seriously, nor would it be very meaningful in the first place.

This all bring it back to why I criticised you logic. You repeatedly exercise flawed logic and some of your reasoning defy common sense. Yet, your posts are well constructed with the proper use of grammar and seem intelligent. It is quite interesting, usually those don't go together. Nontheless, your poor logic fails to validate the basis of your opinion on a forum where exchange of information, opinion, and ideas is the primary function. Evidently, others feel the same way.

[burkid]

according to an interview with Chris Sighay (i hate his last name, cant spell it lol), zerg will certainly be released sometime this year! we still have to wait, but a bit of assurance is always nice.

the difference between protoss and terran right now is the whole terran race is innovative, from marines, to how reapers are built, to customizing battlecruisers, whereas the protoss are just SC1 with a few new gimmicks.

[Ych9]

I guess we have different tastes Remy. :)
But I think you know me well enough that I am still very unstable about which races I will want to play first. I might like the Protoss now, but maybe 2 days later, I might find something interesting about the Terrans and betray my Protoss brothers. :(. 1 week later, I might betray both of them and become the Zergs. ;D

But one thing for sure right now is that I haven't sticked to a race (in this case the Protoss) for soo long. It has been like almost 1 week I believe. The maximum time I sticked to 1 race in the past was around 3-4 days. So I am pretty confident that I am going to play the Protoss as my main race.

I was finally able to understand how Warp-ins function. I think this mechanic beats out all the other new Terran mechanics in terms of coolness to me. In the past, I thought you have to upgrade each Gateways manually into Warp-gates. But after learning you just need to get the upgrade from the cybernatics core and you can turn all your Gateways into Warp-gates, I was sold. If you want to warp in units, you turn on your warp-gates. But if you want to mass build units, you set it as the Gateways because Warp-Gates can't mass build units. Once your unit has been warped, you have to select another unit you want to warp again, etc... therefore you can't querre up units and mass build. So you choose between each one accordling to situations. Choosing between Gateways and Warp-Gates is something I have never expected because I thought that the Warp-Gates was actually the suprerior building. But after learning about the Warp-Gates querre up restrictment, it is clear that they are not the superior buildings and you wouldn't want all Warp-Gates replace the Gateways in the game. You would need to switch back and forth between Warp-Gates and Gateways depending on the situation. This mechanic is just too cool to pass by and I'm very eager to try out the Warp-ins.

I also think that Blizzard changed a lot things for the Protoss as a last second change before BlizzCon. They just wanted to see the fans reaction towards the change. This is why a lot of the Protoss units don't seem soo polish and looks like a step back towards SC1. Infact, I think that the Terrans as of now are a lot more polished then the Protoss. The reason is because units like the Statis Orb, MotherShip, and the Carriers seems to be like last second changes before BlizzCon. So Blizzard hasn't had a chance or time to finish polishing those units up. We know that the Carriers replaces the Tempest. Tempest has that special shield against ground units but the Carriers have no new/special abilities at all. I am willing to bet that Blizzard is going to add something unique to the Carriers and it won't be the exact same unit as their SC1 counterpart. The reason is because all the SC1 units that have made a comeback have undergone at least some minor changes. As for the Statis Orb, I think Blizzard hasn't fully developed that unit either. So other then the slow effect, I'm thinking that there will be other changes. Same goes to the Mothership. Infact, I'm willing to bet that the Mothership that we know as of now will undergo a dramatic change by the time the game releases. Blizzard probably made the Mothership a non-super unit because they wanted to see the fans reaction to it.

I think that it's true that so far, the Protoss has went a step closer to SC1, but I believe that it is due to the last second changes by Blizzard because they wanted to see the fans reaction to the changes. If the fans like it, they will start working on those changed units. So by the next update, I believe a lot of the new Protoss units would undergo some unique changes and it would be a step away from the SC1 Protoss. :)

[Nikzad]

Ych9...dude...you totally put my mind at ease...I'm a Protoss man myself, and what you said about all the changes being last minute make so much sense
When I read the BlizzCon info on Protoss, I was like "what the ****...........why?" for a lot of the stuff and recently I have been depressed and on the fence for what my new race will be; but what you said makes a lot of sense and I think you are right

@ Remy & Joneagle_X - I've been trying to keep up with this debate, and no offense, but I have come to the conclusion that it is retarded. I read and re-read your guys' posts and it just seems to be going in circles.
So they did Protoss first, so what? They have to start somewhere. And doesn't it make more sense to fully develop the inherently stronger race that has is a bit more complicated and advanced (both visually and with mechanics, ie shields)? The rock didn't come first because the person who invented Rock-Paper-Scissors used to have a pet rock named Sparky and loved it to death until one day erosion came and ground him to dust, IT JUST CAME FIRST. Also, you can't depend on patterns determined from two instances...something happening once is an anomaly, twice could just be a coincidence, but only when something happens three times is can you logically discern a pattern.

What is the point of this debate anyway? Please, have an intellectual duel over something that is more substantial than trying to read the minds of the game developers.

[Joneagle_X]

I agree, Nikzad. The argument was stupid and I only responded because I was offended :P

I realized that if you think about the theme of Starcraft, the Protoss SHOULD be overpowering and the other races should be trying to catch up. However, I never said that Blizzard was wrong to attack the development of SC2 in this way. I still stand by my statements though the argument is utterly dumb.

Much lube to Remy ;)

[Remy]

I agree with you Ych9 in that the BlizzCon Protoss changes were probably a last minute thing to test fan reaction, but even then I'm not happy with Blizzard's decision on it.  I rather that they tweaked what they had so fans could