DoG HaMbuRgeR O_o

[PKZeppelin]

http://www.animalfreedom.org/pics/dogs.jpg

Koreans eat dogs. That's fact. It's 21st century country, and such shame. ::) What you think, guys? It would be very interesting to see any korean guy opinion here...

[BirdofPrey]

What's the shame in eating a dog? Its an animal; it's edible. Just because the culture you live in thinks it is weird or makes it taboo doesn't make it wrong. If you are hungry a dog has plenty of nutritional value

[PKZeppelin]

Dogs are best man's friends...

[Fenix]

Exactly what BoP said. Imagine a Hindu's reaction to burger joints or steak joints. Not only do we raise and kill their sacred animal, we eat it.

It's all a matter of perspective. Personally, the only reason I wouldn't eat a dog is because I'd image the meat would be rather tough and stringy.

[BirdofPrey]

Dogs are best man's friends...
In some countries. There are places where the people don't keep pets at all and dogs are viewed as work animals the same way horses and mules are here.

[Fenix]

Anyways, the US is the one who got them into eating dogs in the first place. Agent Orange and all that.

[BirdofPrey]

That was Vietnam wasn't it? They oranged the Nam Cambodia border because that was where the Vietcong and NVA were sneaking across the north/south Vietnam border

[BinaryBanshee]

The French eat snails and frogs legs and think that's ok but probably think eating a dog is horrible. Vegetarians think eating all creatures is horrible. It's really a cultural / upbringing thing

[Fenix]

That was Vietnam wasn't it? They oranged the Nam Cambodia border because that was where the Vietcong and NVA were sneaking across the north/south Vietnam border


They did the same thing to a lesser extent in Korea

[PKZeppelin]

I would never eat any meat, if I go to Korea :) By the way, according to greenpeace and animal rights organizations, dogs in special farms are kept in unsanitary enviroment, farmers treat them violently. Just saw some sites on net, with pictures made with secret camera, don't want to put those links here, it's not for sensitive people :) Ok, you say that eating dogs is cultural thing, but what if that culture part is unacceptable in whole world. Everything is on globalisation. Or you want to say that Guinea cannibalism is also cultural thing, and it's ok and not humanity problem? :deal:

[Fenix]

Refer to my 'What if?' thread. We cannot define abnormal behavior, because we cannot define what normal is. Organizations that attempt to define and regulate this only highlight the differences in human behaviour.

[PKZeppelin]

We cannot define abnormal behavior, because we cannot define what normal is.
This sounds like anarchism. Making definitions what is normal and abnormal makes difference between us and monkeys, between more civilisated countries and less.

[Fenix]

Ok.
Killing a man. Abnormal here right?
Go to any military operation. Killing is normal.
Go to any country that practices Islam. Honour killings are normal.

Here, hearing voices is abnormal.
Go to any tribal nation, and say you hear voices. They'll say you're sent by the Earth Mother.

[lurkers_lurk]

The French eat snails and frogs legs and think that's ok but probably think eating a dog is horrible. Vegetarians think eating all creatures is horrible. It's really a cultural / upbringing thing

they also used to eat cats but stoped that a long time ago, we will eat anything once we get hungary enough, even if it will kill us later, it never hurt me or my family when we see other cultures eating what we considered pets/disgusting animals.

[Fenix]

I personally find the eating of any seafood disgusting. But I live in the second dryest state in the Union, not much fish here. But I don't go Oh em gee EW you're eating FISH!?

[PKZeppelin]

Go to any military operation. Killing is normal.
It's defence.(except if you are in agressor role).

Go to any country that practices Islam. Honour killings are normal.
Manipulation by religion.

Here, hearing voices is abnormal.
Go to any tribal nation, and say you hear voices. They'll say you're sent by the Earth Mother.
It's their imagination.

What those points have with eating dogs O_o ? I'm talking about definitions created by civilisated and educated people, you are talking about controversions of primitive people definitions to unaceptable things.

All militaries are stupid, it's like a parasite in Human Being population, destroying themselves and making stupid concurention between countries. Religion is primitive rules try-outs,manipulation, and past day. Now we have the law system and humanity ideas, there's no need in religion. And tribal people - they have still their culture because they are attractive for scientist, they look like an animals on National Geographic Channel ::)

What I am talking about? Not all people are able to make right decisions by themselves, and define what's good and wrong. We went huge walk trough history to that what we have now - democracy and so - called western civilisation with many rules. Eating dogs is against those rules. Korea wants to be a western civilisation country, they took american lifestyle, but... they still eat dogs! ^_^

[Fenix]

I was talking how you can't define normal and abnormal, I didn't need a breakdown on 'why'
XD


PS: I just realized.....It would simply a Dogburger.

[BirdofPrey]

Go to any military operation. Killing is normal.
It's defence.(except if you are in agressor role).Regardless of who is the agressor killing inwar islegal while killoing whe not in war is a crime

Go to any country that practices Islam. Honour killings are normal.
Manipulation by religion.Samari would commit suicide to retain their honor. Not religion related at all

Here, hearing voices is abnormal.
Go to any tribal nation, and say you hear voices. They'll say you're sent by the Earth Mother.
It's their imagination.Even if they are imagining it it is in their culture to believe random voicesare messages from God.

What those points have with eating dogs O_o ? I'm talking about definitions created by civilisated and educated people, you are talking about controversions of primitive people definitions to unaceptable things.[.quote] So now Koreans ae uncivilized just because they have different values than you? I would also like you to know that many Koreans are educated so you can't use educaion as a reason there.

What I am talking about? Not all people are able to make right decisions by themselves, and define what's good and wrong. We went huge walk trough history to that what we have now - democracy and so - called western civilisation with many rules. Eating dogs is against those rules. Korea wants to be a western civilisation country, they took american lifestyle, but... they still eat dogs! ^_^
Right and wrong do not exist because right and wrong is defined by culture. Here it is wrong to marry more than woman or to have sex with another woman when you are maried. In other places it is commonplace to have many wives and to have many misteresses you are not married to and it is accfeptable in their cultures.

Also I would like to mention Korea is not a wester civilization and western rules do not forbid eating dogs. It is mereley a taboo where people shun you if you do that. It is not taboo in Korea.

[PKZeppelin]

Also I would like to mention Korea is not a wester civilization and western rules do not forbid eating dogs. It is mereley a taboo where people shun you if you do that. It is not taboo in Korea.
All countries which have democracy belongs to western civilisation. Yep, it's not taboo in Korea. But...read the last paragraph's last words.

The Treatment of Dogs and Cats in Korea
Should the brutal treatment and death of a dog or cat concern us more than if the same were done to a cow, or a sheep, or a chicken. It shouldn't, but animals that the "Western world" looks upon as companion animals are treated very differently in Korea.

Many Koreans still believe that if one eats dog meat from dogs that have been tortured to death, it will make them more sexually active. The marketing of dog meat as a health food was initiated and perpetuated by the dog meat dealers to keep their billion dollar businesses going. The rationale behind savagely beating a dog to death lies in the primitiveness that when a dog is beaten they produce high levels of adrenaline hence the selling of their meat as a kind of "natural" viagra for impotence and vitality!

This adrenaline rush is achieved by hanging dogs from ropes on trees and leaving them to slowly strangle to death, and then while still alive, their fur is blowtorched off.

Cats do not hold any position of affection in Korean society. They are not eaten as dogs are but many attempts have been made to eradicate them, not by humane methods, but rather by beating the animals to death in sacks or, in some cases, boiling them alive in large pressure cookers to supply the insatiable demand for another "herbal" remedy – although clearly animals do not fall into this category.

The Korean government does not enforce its animal welfare laws so people make an assumption that farming dogs, slaughtering them and selling their meat is legal. It is not. The sale and cooking of dogs is illegal under Korea's food and sanitation laws.

[Fenix]

And then, after all this, we have to ask ourselves....What right do we have to judge them? Look what we do to our cows in slaughterhouses for G-d's sake!!

[BirdofPrey]

Illegal under SANITATION laws is different from being wrong.  It is the same thing as them not selling you meat from diseased cows: to protect the population.  Right and wrong is simply a non-issue.

Also as Fenix said we arent exactly kind to the animals we farm for food either. Do you know what veal is?

[PKZeppelin]

And then, after all this, we have to ask ourselves....What right do we have to judge them? Look what we do to our cows in slaughterhouses for G-d's sake!!


Cow is prey. We are predators. Dogs are predators - we are friends.

[Fenix]

Sharks will eat barracuda. Predator eating predator.

Also, we're not predators. Predators hunt. The general majority of the human race does not hunt for their food.

[BirdofPrey]

So it is OK to torture a cow because it is a prey animal while it is wrong to torture a dog because it is a predator?

Dammit Fenix stop doing that.  Let me type my responses. 

Under Fenix's reasoning most dogs are also not predators because they are fed by humans.  In fact the way most dogs are bred actually removes some of the hunt instinct making many breeds reliant on humans for food.

[PKZeppelin]

Sharks will eat barracuda. Predator eating predator.

Also, we're not predators. Predators hunt. The general majority of the human race does not hunt for their food.

Primal people was hunting, and when they realised that there's no mammoth, started farming, stfu campers xD

Edit : Goona sleep... :sleeping:

[BirdofPrey]

Actually they started farming because it was more convenient and more controlled than following herds around. You can create cities when you farm because you don't have to worry about the plants running away.

[lurkers_lurk]

Under Fenix's reasoning most dogs are also not predators because they are fed by humans. In fact the way most dogs are bread actually removes some of the hunt instinct making many breeds reliant on humans for food.


i remember reading a report on that, a team of scientist wanted to now how much we changed dogs and cats, they took 5 dogs and 5 cats into a forest and left the 5 dogs in one spot and the cats in another.
they came back a week later and found out that 4 of the 5 dogs died and the last one was was soon to be dead too, as for the cats, only one died and the rest were healthy.

[BirdofPrey]

The reason for that is most of the activities we use dogs for involved manipulationg a dog's hunting skills.

When hunting a dog needs to track then attack and give a killing bite them eat

Bloodhounds had everything past the tracking bred out of them
Pointers stopped before the attack part so they just freeze
retrievers were trained to grab something without eating it.
Herders are bred to chase and  bite animals without killing them

[Fenix]

It's bred, BTW

[BirdofPrey]

WHOOPS. Well at least my post is tasty

[EonMaster]

I personally find the eating of any seafood disgusting. But I live in the second dryest state in the Union, not much fish here. But I don't go Oh em gee EW you're eating FISH!?


How can you not like seafood!?!? That contains many of my favorite foods; shrimp, lobster, and many kinds of fish. Its good for you anyway. But if you don't like it, I won't force you to eat it.

[Gasmaskguy]

But if you don't like it, I won't force you to eat it.


I will handle the forcing part.
*knocks down, ties up, and stuffs Fenix´s mouth full with fish and yells "EAT!!!!"*

OK, i don't like fish either. I don't like the overall after taste...

[EonMaster]

I like some fish, salmon and tuna for example, but I must say the nastiest seafood is oysters. Yuck! It looks like a pile of.........I don't even want to say it. My sisters loves them, and I can barely stomach the thought of eating one.