New VS: Starcraft universe vs Warhammer 40K universe [Archive]

Heretic666)GC(

07-19-2007, 01:57 AM

I think that 40k would win. If all the 40k races went up against all the Starcraft races, i think that 40k would win in a matter or minutes. 11 races vs 3. Easily a win for 40k. But if you are talking how cool the games are, Starcraft would win then.
Heres a how I think a few matchups would work out.
Tyranids vs Zerg
Tyranids attack in Hive Fleets, which have multiple broods. Each brood holds multiple hive ships. Each ship holds thousands of tyranid creatures. These creatures range from the tiny to the colossal, and even the smallest (Rippers) can take down men easily. They also have powerful psychic cratures and towering brutes so strong a single one can destroy an entire tank unit (Carnifexs RULE!!!). Zerg attack in large swarms, which are part of a brood. These swarms never number in the thousands. They do have the big and small creatures like tyranids, and each are very deadly. And even Defilers and queens use powerful energy, but they can't match the pure power of Hivelords and Zoanthropes. And they don't devour all life on a planet to create new ships and creatures before moving on to the next one. Tyranids, the Devourer of Worlds, wins this match up.

Space Marines vs Terran
Space Marines are highly trained warriors who fight in the name of the God Emporer. They use powerful weapons that can punch holes in thick armor, and have a variety of machines to take to war. They have Dreadnaughts which hold the soul of a dead hero in a metal mech. Titans, giant machines that can crush even the largest enemies benteath thier feet plus have awsome guns. All space marines are members of a certain Chapter, each chapter having it's own special training styles (ex, Space Wolves have higher Initiative). Terran proudly uses convicts as thier soldiers, forcing them to fight as a penelty for thier crime. Goliaths and siege tanks are powerful assets on the battle field, and they can quickly lay waste to enemy bases. Wraiths are quick units that can assult weak points in basses and take out enemy fliers easily. Batlecruisers are weapons of unstobalbe power (well, almost). They can kill small units in only a few hits, and they have a powerful secondary beam which can severly damage buildings and kill almost any opponent it fights. This one was a hard decision, but i think Space Marines take home a win for the Emporer.

I wont compare any of the other races from 40k, because I don't know very much about them. If someone could compare Protoss to something, please do. The remaining 40k races are:

Orks
Eldar
Dark Eldar
Chaos
Necrons
Witch Hunters
Imperial Guard
Tau
Daemonhunters

Hadean

07-19-2007, 04:33 AM

I'm pretty sure the lack of Nukes in WH40k automatically makes SC win it but whatev.

The Zerg Swarm is millions of Zerg. I dunno who the hell said the swarm didnt number in the thousands, but you're just plain ridiculous. The Zerg wiped out their creators a race far surpassing anything else. Planet eater? How's about that planeteater try to fight the overmind a being that spawns it's own lieutenants and extends it's control of it's minions hundreds of lightyears away. Not to mention the fact it can essentially warp out to any destination it so chooses (seen in the final episode of SC Original, it attempts to escape before Tassadar Kamikaze's it.) Carnifex? Suck my Torrasque *****.

Space Marines. Fanatical troops with dope weaponry and training. Terran Marines. Psychopathic killers with dope weaponry and training. Thats hard to choose. That giant ass Mech from WH40K is pretty pimp, but En-Masse Gol Anti-air would rip it. Also keep in mind the new Thor unit. If it has any upgraded qualities to the Goliath, Space Marines lose. The wraith? I dont remember Space Marines having anything that could cloak. Reapers are essentially the same as Jump jet infantry. BC's would rwn Space Marine capital ships due to Yamato Cannons. The siege tank can fire miles away and devastate. What can the Rhino do? Shoot ****ty shells at visual distance? The only thing cool that the Space marines have that would be effective would be the Terminators but they would get rwnt by Air and by long range attacks. OH yeah and most importantly.... Nuclear Launch Detected.

I cant comment on the Eldar, as I know nothing about them. But, the Protoss ****ing destroy worlds. For sport. I dont even need to say anything else.

Heretic666)GC(

07-20-2007, 05:20 PM

Ya in my Tyranids Codex it even talks about a single ship calling down Melta Torpedos and wiping out all the life on the planet. One Ghost or one Battle Cruiser can't do that now can they?
And the Hive Mind doesn't spawn it's own lieutenants, It spawns it's own Norn Queens, which then spawn their own armies. And the Hive Mind wasn't created by another race, it is way to powerful for that. Although it has destroyed countless races and almost wiped out all human life (and would have too if it weren't for some virus made in the battle of Tarsis Ultra). And the Hive Mind isn't even a true creature that can be killed. It is a psychic entity that cannot be killed and that is truly wherever it wants to be.
Marines in SC don't have training. You saw the trailer. They just get armor strapped on and are given a gun and told to shoot until they die. Space Marine go though Genetic Engineering, long and extremely hard training, and are then told to stop the advance of technologically advanced or impossibly numbered armies. And Goliaths would never be able to take down Titans. Titans can destroy thousands of enemies with one missile. Thors might stand a chance against rhinos, but even they would need at least 12 to take down a titan. And BC's would be hopeless against the Space Marine Battle Barges, which could kill just about any opposing ship, and the Strike Cruisers would take down Valkyries and Wraiths. Wraiths do have the cloak advantage, I will give them that. And Im sure that the Space Mrines have some sort of artillery that could out range the siege tanks. If not, orbital ships could just torpedo them.

But as with the Eldar vs Protoss, I wouls say toss win. Eldar is a dying race, and toss is just getting stronger as time goes on.

Nikzad

07-20-2007, 05:31 PM

And the Hive Mind wasn't created by another race, it is way to powerful for that.

The Xel'Naga created the Overmind so they could avoid the disputes between individuals that occurred when they created the Protoss. Then it evolved and raped them.

Hadean

07-20-2007, 05:38 PM

Heretic you need to read some of the SC universe books. They do infact recieve training as well as genetic stimulation and groth hormones etc. Enough nukes or enough yamato cannons could dot he same thing as these Melta Strikes. And one nuke or one yamato cannon would drop those badboys throwing the melta strikes in one hit.

It creates Norn queens which make their own armies? Hm. That sounds like how the Overmind sort of spawns Cerebrates who make their own broods? Hm.

TerranGod

07-20-2007, 05:39 PM

i don't have much excperience with Wharhammer, but is it not like the races have been fighting since the ancient time until year 40k or more? Heard it on a interwiev with a guy.. The races are fighting eachother for non very good reasons and they have fought in ALL EVER! I find that kind of stupid... Someone would have been eliminated by that time.

they were fighting over a cheese burger

Hadean

07-20-2007, 05:55 PM

Is anyone else thinking that Warhammer 40k is borderline ridiculous? Even for something thats completely unbounded by it's fantasy genre?

Void missiles that release chaos beats to eat it's foes? Wtf. I could only imagine the scientific team developing that weapon.

Guy #1: We need a really cool weapon

Guy #2: LoL we kud mek dis misssle dat spreyz monsterz n shiz n den teh monsterz eats every1. LoL!1!1!!!1111!!!1

DKutrovsky

07-20-2007, 07:29 PM

FYI, the terrans stopped production of heavy nukes because they were destroying entire planets, and they limited themselves to the tactical nukes we see in game.

Keep in mind that all the SC races are around the universe, and populate many,many,many planents...

Nikzad

07-20-2007, 07:35 PM

Is anyone else thinking that Warhammer 40k is borderline ridiculous? Even for something thats completely unbounded by it's fantasy genre?

*raises hand*

It sounds very convoluted with its abundance of units and races and whatnot. Eleven races? Seems a bit over-complicated.

Guy #1: We need a really cool weapon

Guy #2: LoL we kud mek dis misssle dat spreyz monsterz n shiz n den teh monsterz eats every1. LoL!1!1!!!1111!!!1

Trying not to laugh out loud at work is hard.

BaneOfHumanity

07-20-2007, 08:40 PM

Isnt comparing Starcraft to warhammer 40K like comparing apples to...apples...just sayin lol

Heretic666)GC(

07-20-2007, 08:57 PM

Kinda of true. Starcraft was originally supposed to be a Warhammer 40k game, but Games Workshop wouldn't let them make a game. Their loss if you ask me. But it is still based on Warhammer 40k, just not as directly. The 3 races were based on the Space Marines/Imperial Guard, Tyranids and Eldar/Tau. And Hadean, I haven't read the Starceaft universe books so I didn't know about all the Marine training and ****. I am sorry for making the marines seem like less then they are.

Dreadnought

07-20-2007, 09:49 PM

Space marines are genetically inhanced super humans able to flip battle tanks and prolly go close combat with a zergling easily. They can survive wounds that would kill a man thrice over. Also note that they have titans which are 3 times as large as a collossus. They have nuclear missles for weapons for heavens sake. Zerg i think are stronger than tyranids because their flying units are amazing. Protoss could easily stand up to eldar however. They both have really exotic weapons however but the eldar dont quite match the technology the protoss have. Necrons are about the same as space marines except they can come back from the dead because of their self regenerating metal. Monoliths can lay waste to any tank the terrans have. Basalisk > siege tanks. A basalisk can fire at targets over 15 kilometers away. Orcs have gargants and are extremely warlike. Not only that they control over 2,000,000 worlds. Imperial guard control over 1,000,000 worlds so they far outnumber any force the terrans have. lets look at space ships... The Imperial guard have space ships the size of large moons. The tyranids are the same. Orcs basically strap rockets to planets and blast off lol. Tau have railgun technology so they could handle almost anything. Chaos have huge demons and can summon them directly from the warp right infront of siege tanks. A demon prince could eat up terran infantry and take on 5 ultralisks. Overall Warhammer 40k would win any conflict but starcraft is a much better RTS game.

MaliciouS

07-20-2007, 09:59 PM

Warhammer, oh yes.. Necrons, a complete emphasise on C'thulu. Space Marines, taken from the Imperial Sardaukar in the Dune universe, along with the Immortal God-Emperor. Imperial Guard being the Mobile Infantry from Starship Troopers. Tau which were added -after- the release of StarCraft, bear a striking resemblance with the Protoss caste system. Tyranids slightly operate as the Arachnids, but their appearance is taken from Giger's Alien.

This isn't on topic, but I usually watch how every single unit that gets added to SCII seems to be a "rip-off" from the oh-so original Warhammer universe.

FlyingTiger

07-20-2007, 10:43 PM

So Thor vs. Dreadnought... who would win from the looks of it?

I personally think the Dreadnought cause it has multiple armaments and can pick up infantry and instantly kill them ^_^

Alasdair

07-20-2007, 11:35 PM

i aswell dont know much about eldar, but i know that their most basic infantry have guns that can shoot well over 10,000 fragments of metal per second. also, i read a story that an Eldar Overseer challenged an entire space marine chapter bent on conquering an Eldar planet, and he used his power to seperate every atom of every person and vehicle on the planet (which was most of them). keep in mind that this killed him, but that chapter was completly annihilated because an Eldar fleet was in the system and destroyed the remaining space marine ships

JudicatorPrime

07-21-2007, 12:11 AM

Pretty sure Protoss wouldn't be based off of Tau, I don't think they were around back then and if so they share no relation aside from being weird legged aliens (inversed-ish kinda)... I like both universes, mostly because of DoW though. Personally, I also think Warhammer 40K sometimes goes over the top to be the most gritty universe out there. Like in one 'skirmish' the death toll would be in the millions

If we're getting into a whichever is better arguement in WH40K... Eldar are pansies, way to **** up the universe... I like Space Marine history better, Primarchs and whatnot. Plus Inquisitors are badass, they remind me of Ghosts in SC. Super 1337, tasked to do what the average Space Marine or Marine can't do in special circumstancs.

Dreadnought would win because everything in 40K has like a meter thick armor plating.

brc9210

07-21-2007, 12:26 AM

Sc universe auto wins because the only thing that can stop the overmind are dark templar. Warhammer 40k has no dark templar therfore zerg=invincible.

zeratul11

07-21-2007, 12:29 AM

i have no idea about warhammer 40k

anyway just NUKE em all. ^^ starcraft wins.

JudicatorPrime

07-21-2007, 12:54 AM

Warhammer 40K can have a single HUMAN crush a planet... Overmind is f****ed. Not to mention Planets get destroyed on a daily basis in WH40K

zeratul11

07-21-2007, 02:49 AM

omg. i have no idea of what those weapons does.

anyway why is starcraft way ahead on the poll?

JudicatorPrime

07-21-2007, 04:23 AM

omg. i have no idea of what those weapons does.

anyway why is starcraft way ahead on the poll?

Because this is a Starcraft forum?

. Also note that they have titans which are 3 times as large as a collossus.away. .

That's insulting... A Titan is easily the 15x the size of the Colossus, and that's the smallest there is... An Imperator titan can hit a space hulk in orbit with its cannons...

zeratul11

07-21-2007, 04:30 AM

read the earlier posts dude...

well some vote without posting. maybe starcraft is powerful than warhammer or there are more starcraft fans.

hhmm. my power lvl goes down. :-\

Heretic666)GC(

07-21-2007, 04:41 AM

JudicatorPrime

07-21-2007, 04:45 AM

Kinda of true. Starcraft was originally supposed to be a Warhammer 40k game...

where did you get this thought from?

If your talking about how SC is based on 40k, 10-Neon told me after a post I made in the Marine Shield topic.

Not based on but somewhat derived from.. You can't argue the resemblance, and from what I heard Blizzard was supposed to make a WH40K game but declined and then somehow came up with SC...

Heretic666)GC(

07-21-2007, 04:59 AM

Your almost right. Blizzard requested to make a WH40K game, but Games Workshop declined. I bet they hate themselves now for turning down one of the most successful game companies ever.

EDIT
At least thats the way I understood what 10-Neon told me.

GuiMontag

07-21-2007, 06:03 AM

blizzard did want to make a game that had a warhammer feel, but they took it so much further with the protoss and zerg. The finished product doesnt resemble warhammer very much at all

10-Neon

07-21-2007, 02:46 PM

I did a little digging to figure out if I could back my statement up. My source for StarCraft as a Warhammer 40k game came from a post on Slashdot, which stated it as a rumor. Another post on Slashdot, from someone that claimed to have worked for Games Workshop at he time (the site is a haven for high-ranking nerds, so it is likely to be true), did confirm that Blizzard approached Games Workshop about the original Warcraft. They didn't say anything about StarCraft, though. Here's a link to that post. (http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=192012&cid=15769673)

Major Willy

07-21-2007, 11:28 PM

Nukes can't destroy worlds?

Do we even need to look at Korhal?

Cybran Seratuhl

07-22-2007, 10:33 AM

As much as I love Warhammer 40k....Starcraft has an advantage:

DARK ARCHON

XD they can instantly mind control ANY unit....including Titans and the God-Emperor of Mankind himself....

GuiMontag

07-22-2007, 11:08 AM

lol, the DA would be considered a warp creature in 40k

10-Neon

07-23-2007, 08:19 PM

yes, but your a little off...blizzard had approached games workshop to make a minitures base game for it...

Can you link to a source or something?

doan_m

07-23-2007, 10:45 PM

Nukes can't destroy worlds?

Do we even need to look at Korhal?

They cannot destroy worlds as effectively as 40k weapons can. The standard broadsides(being a primary weapon of choice in space battles in 40k) of an Imperium battleship can turn a continent into ash with a few salvos. A Space Marine battle barge was capable of literally cracking a planet apart in under an hour with it's superweapon. The higher end ships usually possess planet cracking weapons as a normal standard ranging from Cyclonic Torpedoes to Virus bombs.

doan_m

07-23-2007, 10:51 PM

As much as I love Warhammer 40k....Starcraft has an advantage:

DARK ARCHON

XD they can instantly mind control ANY unit....including Titans and the God-Emperor of Mankind himself....

Leaving aside the false "Mind Control" the God Emperor of Mankind statement Meh. Thats not impressive at all. Psykers in 40k have extreme power levels which allow for them to do all kind of crazy things like turning men inside out with a whisper of a syllable, snapping battle titans with a flick of thier wrist, making entire armies go mad by thinking it or rending thier souls out of thier body. The higher end psyker Esharddon(an Alpha class) was capable of mind controling hundreds of Imperial Citizens which were used as puppets. And by a standard all those psykers are far lower in power then the God Emperor himself who was able to see hundreds of years into the future, create warp storms that engulf a planet and make a sun go supernova while shielding his fleet at point blank range from the blast.

doan_m

07-23-2007, 11:09 PM

I'm pretty sure the lack of Nukes in WH40k automatically makes SC win it but whatev.
As mentioned before, 40k destroys worlds on a regular basis. For some out there in 40k, the destruction of a world occurs on a Tuesday brunch. Again, the standard normal broadsides of a 40k battleship are enough power to turn a continent into ash. Hell normal ship broadsides are usually used in exterminating all life on a planet.

The Zerg Swarm is millions of Zerg. I dunno who the hell said the swarm didnt number in the thousands, but you're just plain ridiculous. The Zerg wiped out their creators a race far surpassing anything else. Planet eater? How's about that planeteater try to fight the overmind a being that spawns it's own lieutenants and extends it's control of it's minions hundreds of lightyears away. Not to mention the fact it can essentially warp out to any destination it so chooses (seen in the final episode of SC Original, it attempts to escape before Tassadar Kamikaze's it.) Carnifex? Suck my Torrasque *****.
A single tyranid fleet can number from trillions to quadrillions of units to there command. Also, the Tyranids has what is otherwise known as the hive mind which already controls far more of thier own kin then the Overmind does. Also what should be noted is that a Carnifex was capable of destroying a land Raider in a single swipe of thier claws. And a land raider tank has an adamantium layer for armor, which is a common occuring metal in 40k.

. That giant ass Mech from WH40K is pretty pimp, but En-Masse Gol Anti-air would rip it.
Said titan has starship level shielding with low end starship level weaponry that allows them to level an entire city with thier ordnance.
Also keep in mind the new Thor unit. If it has any upgraded qualities to the Goliath, Space Marines lose. Thats far hard to quantify, since I have yet to see more info on the Thor unit but I do however know that the relevant firepower of the Space Marines are insane and most likely would be able to deal with a thor, given the fact that: A space marines normal gun is a semi-automatic rocket launcher capable of turning the upper torso of a normal human being into a mist of blood and guts in a single shot. Thier melta-guns have firepower which allows for a single shot to be the equivalent power of 1 ton of TNT, given that on the lower setting, the melta gun was able to instantly vaporize a few dozen cubic meters of ice.

The wraith? I dont remember Space Marines having anything that could cloak.
Why would they need to?
Reapers are essentially the same as Jump jet infantry. BC's would rwn Space Marine capital ships due to Yamato Cannons.
A Space Marines main cannon (being the Nova Cannon) can shoot an office sized building projectile at high speed which creates a moon sized explosion. Has the Yamato done that? Also A SM battle barge as mentioned before cracks planets in half with their superweapons.

The siege tank can fire miles away and devastate. What can the Rhino do? Shoot ****ty shells at visual distance?
Ever heard of whirlwind missiles? And although this is SM oriented it should be noted that the Basalisk can fire as far as 125 km ranges.
The only thing cool that the Space marines have that would be effective would be the Terminators but they would get rwnt by Air and by long range attacks.
A terminators armor is capable of being stepped on by a titan and survive (lower end titan no doubt) it also comes with its own adamantium layer and some variants of the Terminator armor carry thier own anti-air missile packs mounted on the shoulders.

OH yeah and most importantly.... Nuclear Launch Detected.

Meh, cyclonic torpedoes are magnitudes more effective given its planet killing nature. Or just fire continent destroying broadsides
I cant comment on the Eldar, as I know nothing about them. But, the Protoss f**king destroy worlds. For sport. I dont even need to say anything else.
My other post has already mentioned how often that 40k tends to love to destroy thier worlds. Almost everyone does it in 40k.

GuiMontag

07-24-2007, 08:16 AM

hmm, arguing fluff will never get you anywhere, considering both games don't adhere to their fluff at all.

1. space marines are terrans, they are both heavily genetically modified, both have hardcore armour and a big ass gun
2. Zerg are tyranids without psykers
3. Protoss are the combination of ork strength and eldar philosophy/psionic ability

JudicatorPrime

07-24-2007, 09:35 AM

Eldar and Protoss are alike, there is no relation to Ork. Eldar too take pride in marshall prowess, atleast those who adhere to the great Khaine.

Space Marines>>>Marines. Marines wear thick armor and thats it... Space Marines are selected, put through rigorous training, recieve implants and biogenetic upgrades, and where twice as thick armor than space marines, obviously made of sturdier stuff.

Tyranids don't have any psykers, in fact in large enough numbers they can mute psychic energies - Zerg cover planets in... that weird black stuff... Tyranids consume its biomass and atmosphere leaving it a barren rock. So far, more than trillions of Tyranids have attacked the known galaxy, probably more but I can only count up to a trillion >.< And they suspect those only to be advanced forces.

One Imperator Titan, and a battle barge to carry it world to world will most likely have the ability to destroy all life in the Starcraft galaxy. Void shields ftw. And considering no SC race has void technology it'll march along kill everything in sight. Nukes, pfft... the barrel on the gun of an Imperator titan is larger than the blast radius of a nuke >.< /slight exaggeration maybe donno.

Edit: Protoss destroy worlds for sport? Never heard of that... WH40K worlds blow up by accident... one Alpha level psyker gets a little bit too rowdy and BAM... worlds gone. Life goes on...

Dark Archons control one unit at a time, one UNTRAINED, freak of nature Alpha psyker controls a whole city before he gets his ass Inquisitized... Therefore God-Emperor>>>>>>>>>>>> x Infinite >>>> Dark Templar. It's also safe to say Eldar are far more experienced than any Protoss... and if they can't beat the God-Emperor than Protoss have no chance in hell. In fact im pretty sure the occurance of any Chaos entity in the SC universe would send the highest Templar cowering in a corner...

GuiMontag

07-24-2007, 09:45 AM

... protoss have great physical strength like the orcs, Elder are weak.
you cant compare space marine armor to terran armor because they are both made up.

The only playable titan in 40k is the warhound, which the THOR is more than capable of dealing with.

the amount of worlds being blown up is meaningless, protoss have the ability to easily destroy a planet, however they dont need to because there not idiots :P

btw; show me a human psyker in 40k who can transform his body into pure energy, capable of destroying the overmind :P

doan_m

07-24-2007, 10:05 PM

... protoss have great physical strength like the orcs, Elder are weak.

you cant compare space marine armor to terran armor because they are both made up.
Not true. You can simply benchmark thier abilities using known fluff to see what the hell they can withstand. Fluff states that some armor can withstand lasgun shots. And believe it or not lasgun shots are capable of penetrating 3 meters worth of concrete. Marine armor uses Ceramite and inch of Ceramite is the equivalent of 12 inches of conventional steel.

The only playable titan in 40k is the warhound, which the THOR is more than capable of dealing with. Imperator's, Emperor Class and what knot are playable in Epic 40,000 and appear multiple times in novelizations. Warhound titans being only a scout class of titan can be armed with various weapons such as the plasma blastgun, vulcan mega bolter, Inferno gun and Turbolaser. A plsama blastgun is classed as a titan killer which states the obvious fact that the gun is more then capable of turning other titans into slag. Mega bolters and Inferno are more or less meant for killing infantry en giant masses and the Turbo laser is a dual lascannon designed to deal with heavy armored vehicless.

the amount of worlds being blown up is meaningless, protoss have the ability to easily destroy a planet, however they don't need to because there not idiots :P Actually it means a whole lot, showing that 40k has far more experience in blowing up worlds and possesses the variety of weapons that are necessary in blowing up a planet. Also what should be noted is that the Protoss do not actually "destroy" a planet per say. They more or less glass the planet and just merely destroy all inhabitants. While granted 40k does the same thing, they still do however have weapons that escalate them to the "crack a planet" in half class.

btw; show me a human psyker in 40k who can transform his body into pure energy, capable of destroying the overmind :P

The God Emperor of Mankind destroyed the soul of Horus who was the embodiment of 4 chaos Gods. The same chaos God's who move stars around to write thier signature in space, and turn a sun into slug just by taking a quick glance at all. Believe it or not soul destruction and soul manipulation is commonplace in 40k. Grey Knight Nemesis melee weapons are designed to annihilate souls, which is a neccessity in 40k given the nature of the warp. It's necessary so as to avoid demons coming back for second shots at the Imperium. Some soul manipulating weapons even go as far as executing a heretic 7 times over by killing him, putting his soul back and killing him again and again. The effects of soul manipulation would clearly have adverse effects on the consciousness of the overmind.

GuiMontag

07-25-2007, 07:16 AM

doan_m

07-25-2007, 02:32 PM

omg, you cannot compare 40k fluff to starcraft 'ingame' If you want to talk about all the books and epic then it all becomes pointless.
By all means. Point out where I ever was using ingame mechanics to ever compare 40k to starcraft. It is common ettiquete in a versus debates to go by a fluff by fluff basis, and yes I have seen SC fluff. Such as Libertys Crusade, during Chu Sara and the glassing of that planet by the protoss. I also know of Shadow of the Xel'naga which places a zergling's survivability to getting killed by farmers with pitchforks.

1. how do you know that space marine armour is stronger than terran marine armour, even though most of us assume that space marine armour is stronger, there isnt any evidence
Yet there is still existing evidence on the part of the Space Marine armor compared to the Terran Marine armor, just because there exist evidence on one side does not mean that when the other side does not have any that said evidence should be omitted.

2. Who cares about the weapons on a titan, all of what you said has nothing to do with a warhound and a THOR being relatively equal matches.
Of course your assuming there is sufficient evidence that tells us that the THOR has the firepower yields, the armor capabilities to actually deal with a warhound titan. Stating the relative weaponry on the Warhound titan is imperative to show what kind of damage it can deal out to it's opponents. As mentioned before the melta-gun has firepower the equivalent of 1 ton of TNT. A lascannon is a more sophisticated version of the melta-gun(IIRC) and has yields close to, if not higher then said 1 ton of TNT power. The Titan's plasma blastgun which I state again is classed a "titan killer" shows that said weapon is capable of decimating other titans just like it, if not greater which means that the titan killer is capable of penetrating a whole crapload of mega-thick armor. Commonly expected in anything that so much as resembles a titan.

3. If you hadnt noticed, the protoss mothership has an ability called "planet cracker" which in the fluff would be able to destroy a planet
Said statement is highly arbitrary. The statement does not show how far they would be able to crack the planet. It could range from cracking the whole damn thing in half like a Space Marine Battle barge, just merely cracking through the surface with a city sized crack, or cracking a piece of a giant continent in half, all of which relates to "planet cracking"

4. all i asked was 1 human psyker who could transform his body into pure energy. If you want to start talking about other races, like chaos Gods then i gues il have to talk about the XelNaga
The aformentioned Chaos Gods was merely used to benchmark the powers of the human(sort of) God Emperor of Mankind. Feel free to re-read my statement again to confirm this. And how is the Xel'naga impressive compared to human psykers?

this topic has become meanigless...

Then why debate it with me?

GuiMontag

07-25-2007, 02:37 PM

the problem is that starcraft has almost zero fluff compared to 40k, and im not interested in talking about stuff that doesnt exist so i will stop replying :P
and there is a big difference between fluff that comes directly from the company and the stuff that is written in novels...

edit; all my posts were originally about 'ingame' not fluff

Heretic666)GC(

07-25-2007, 04:41 PM

Tyranids don't have any psykers, in fact in large enough numbers they can mute psychic energies - Zerg cover planets in... that weird black stuff... Tyranids consume its biomass and atmosphere leaving it a barren rock. So far, more than trillions of Tyranids have attacked the known galaxy, probably more but I can only count up to a trillion >.< And they suspect those only to be advanced forces.

Tyranids do have psykers. Their psychic energy is so powerful and different from the psykers of the other races and there are so many of them that it mutes other psychic energies. In fact, every small tyranid creature is commanded by the psychic energy of the larger ones.

So far 3 Hive Fleets have attacked the known galaxies. These are in order of largest to smallest Behemoth, Kraken and Leviathan. Even Behemoth numbered more then a thousand hive ships, which meant trillions or quadrillions of creatures, plus more after every planet they consume. These weren't even the first Tyranids. Genestealers were found on the moons of............... ok I cant remember what the moon was called but they were found there over 500 years before the first tyranid contact. Also other strange creatures that have been found on planets that have been known to live there for thousands of years have had Tyranid DNA. Imperial Scientist/Whatever they are called have done tests and research and if all these creatures are tyranids, they believe that over 12 fleets have been in Human space. Not to mention the area of space owned by the other races. Thus, they believe that there are thousands more Hive Fleets out there. If 3 of them almost wiped out the Human race and did major damage to the Orks and Eldar, 1000 or even 20 would destroy all life in the known galaxies.

MarineCorp

07-28-2007, 11:23 AM

I love starcraft, never played warhammer 40k
so i voted for starcraft

btw which one came first:
terran marines or...
space marines???

Major Willy

07-28-2007, 11:53 AM

The generic idea of a guy in armor shooting aliens came first.

burkid

07-28-2007, 12:13 PM

you know people, of course WH 40k is gonna have better technology, like units that can destry worlds, or can mind control cities, because WH40k takes place [i] thirty-seven thousand, five-hundred years (thats 37,500) after starcraft. and i believe, that if you pitted all the races of starcraft allied against WH, even being 375 centurys behind, would still be able to hold their own for at least a little while. because starcraft kicks ass, and warhammer doesnt.

doan_m

07-30-2007, 03:03 AM

Most likely the combination of all three races would still amount to something that even the Imperium would consider a minor incursion. Remember even one of the most weakest races in 40k (that being the Tau) only possesses 2000 lightyears worth of an empire. The bigger Imperium posess 100,000 lightyears worth. And besides, i've already cited dozens of reaons why 40k would annihilate Starcraft which refutes your kicks ass claim over warhammer..

JudicatorPrime

07-30-2007, 03:25 AM

omg, you cannot compare 40k fluff to starcraft 'ingame' If you want to talk about all the books and epic then it all becomes pointless.

1. how do you know that space marine armour is stronger than terran marine armour, even though most of us assume that space marine armour is stronger, there isnt any evidence
2. Who cares about the weapons on a titan, all of what you said has nothing to do with a warhound and a THOR being relatively equal matches.
3. If you hadnt noticed, the protoss mothership has an ability called "planet cracker" which in the fluff would be able to destroy a planet
4. all i asked was 1 human psyker who could transform his body into pure energy. If you want to start talking about other races, like chaos Gods then i gues il have to talk about the XelNaga

this topic has become meanigless...

Space Marine armor has HEAVY fluff, you could probably find out EXACTLY what its made of and how it works with a quick nerdy google. The armor itself consists mostly of real-life elements and experimental or theortical defenses (reactive armor etc.)

A Thor is NO match for a Warhound, a Warhound has about equivalent firepower to a Thor, you could say that but probably wouldn't be true. But a Warhound is a SCOUT Titan, making it UNBELIEVABLY fast compared to the Thor, it could get around it, not to mentiong strafe shoot it into oblivion.

You want to talk about the Xel'Naga than I can speak of the Old Ones... and by hell can they pwn the entire SC galaxy. The Xel'Naga got bum raped by their own zerg, so did the Old Ones by Necrons but Necrons are the most powerful race so that's a lot more to say. Immortal metal beings controlled by sun-eating-gods vs. Zerg?

The Imperiums been in a Dark Age for a long time, if it weren't for that SC wouldn't even stand a chance no matter what. As for Planet Cracker fluff in SC, I doubt it's as grand as the Planet Cracker fluff in WH40K (Yep same name) Which is usually the WH40K trademark, everything is bigger, hence the 40K... that's a big number.

Eldar are weak? I don't suppose they've ever stood their ground against a high powered armored suit in CLOSE COMBAT. Not to mention fend of hoardes of Tyranids in the confines of their own Craftworlds. One on one, an Eldar could probably beat any infantry unit from any race, and a marine from either SC or WH40K without its armor would be like spanking a baby for him.

I love starcraft, never played warhammer 40k
so i voted for starcraft

btw which one came first:
terran marines or...
space marines???

The Space Marine

Also when did Tyranids almost wipe-out the human race? Was that a backstory or did something bigger than the Ultramar sector thing happen and the Tyranids made it to Holy-Terra without me noticing?

DarkHorizons

07-30-2007, 06:21 PM

you know people, of course WH 40k is gonna have better technology, like units that can destry worlds, or can mind control cities, because WH40k takes place [i] thirty-seven thousand, five-hundred years (thats 37,500) after starcraft. and i believe, that if you pitted all the races of starcraft allied against WH, even being 375 centurys behind, would still be able to hold their own for at least a little while. because starcraft kicks ass, and warhammer doesnt.

This is true it, comparing these two in a battle would be like comparing starcraft's marines and firebats attacking a village of cavemen with sticks and rocks.

Also 40K is a game played with minatures and most of its history is written in codexs books and articles. Alot of starcraft's history comes from the same places but the major differance is that starcraft is a RTS computer game (I know there are 40K games but they don't have nearly all of the minature's features). Of course 40K will have planet cracking weapons and fleets of trillions of units because they will never have to apply that to a game except for maybe rolling the dice an extra time to see if their units are hurt by imaginary ships orbiting the battlefield. Starcraft has to make it's history match what you play in the game. Basicaly 40K has alot more freedom to make epic storylines and crazy weapons because most of them you'll never see when playing. When they were making starcraft they could have created a very wide backstory with massive armies, but then when players played the game they would think "Hey, if the history was so epic, why am I commanding 100 units on a 192x192 map?"

Anyways I play both universes and have nothing against either, but comparing the two only by "Which is better?" seems like an impossible argument.

doan_m

08-03-2007, 11:20 PM

you know people, of course WH 40k is gonna have better technology, like units that can destry worlds, or can mind control cities, because WH40k takes place [i] thirty-seven thousand, five-hundred years (thats 37,500) after starcraft.
Chronology is even far out of the question and an incorrect arguement. Hell, even while Humans were oh so very primitive (neanderthal or older), there were actually far more powerful beings that existed, and the factions were even more powerful then what they are now. Back in those days the Eldar and the Necrons were two major forces in the galaxy, but as of current 40k, they are both pale imitations of what they used to be. Hell, in those old glory days, the Necron C'tan were able to drain an entire sun),there were far more (alive Eldar gods running around the place), the Eldar had an empire so vast that they made the Imperium of Mankind seem inferior in comparision

This is true it, comparing these two in a battle would be like comparing starcraft's marines and firebats attacking a village of cavemen with sticks and rocks.

Alot of starcraft's history comes from the same places but the major differance is that starcraft is a RTS computer game (I know there are 40K games but they don't have nearly all of the minature's features).

Of course 40K will have planet cracking weapons and fleets of trillions of units because they will never have to apply that to a game except for maybe rolling the dice an extra time to see if their units are hurt by imaginary ships orbiting the battlefield. There are two tabletop miniature games that most likely your not aware of at all. The first being battlefleet gothic which actually does have spaceship miniatures and actually do simulate 40k space combat. The second being Epic 40,000 which is basically massive battlescenes involving skyscraper sized titans, superheavy battletanks and various air units.

Starcraft has to make it's history match what you play in the game. Basicaly 40K has alot more freedom to make epic storylines and crazy weapons because most of them you'll never see when playing. Thats not true at all. There are still various weapons that even exist in SC (still pale in comparision to 40k) that are not seen in games but are seen in novels and whatknot, two weapons that come to mind are the Terrans Apocalypse class nuclear missiles (1000 was used to bomb a planet although suvivors were left behind) and the Protoss' psionic enchancment device that allows a psi-storm to cover a planet.

When they were making starcraft they could have created a very wide backstory with massive armies, but then when players played the game they would think "Hey, if the history was so epic, why am I commanding 100 units on a 192x192 map?"
Small skirmishes. What else?

Anyways I play both universes and have nothing against either, but comparing the two only by "Which is better?" seems like an impossible argument.
Looking at upper limits of firepower, numbers of ships, size of empire, upper limits and lower limits of all units capabilities would more then suffice in comparision.

Hadean

08-03-2007, 11:47 PM

Major Willy

08-07-2007, 06:55 AM

Starcraft would win. The CDs you use would be able to cut or chew up the Warhammer plastic figurines.

I don't know how little hunks of plastic could snap a CD.

doan_m

08-08-2007, 04:31 AM

and how will a CD snap hunks of plastic or let alone the metallic miniatures?

doan_m

08-08-2007, 04:38 AM

Well alls I knows is, if the Terrans in Koprolu are only 1 millionth of the pop of the general Terran race, I'm pretty sure Terrans could easily hold their own. And i'm also fairly sure, Koprolu is not the only sector with Zerg.
If that were the case, just about how many humans would that even add up to in total? The Imperium of Man expands hundreds of thousands of lightyears with countless amounts of humans living among the galaxy. Some estimate the population of the Imperium of man to be at a minmum of quadrillions of humans. And nor does this make a statement as to thier technology which would be desperately needed against something that considers the ability to cleanse a planet of life, standard technology.

Mikosz

08-08-2007, 02:46 PM

Ha ha ha ha....

Nice one, a Battlebarge destroying a world ? What sort of bull&@# is that ? Entire SW fleet bombarded TS homeplanet and it took them a lot of time to crack it. Whhile protoss purged MarSara in few hours...

Titans.. how cool, EMP shockwave+Lockdown bye bye scrapheap...

NovaCannon is used by Imperial Navy, not Space Marines :] And its so rare that hardly ever anyone sees one..

Mighty ships ? what crap is that, not even ONE warship in mighty Imperial navy operates at 100% of its power, not even at 40% empire is falling apart and the military might equals numbers not skill. Thechnology is a myth, they pray to a boiler and hope it will work :D Millons of worlds which rarly if ever know anything about others :]

Why terrans would own empire ? Beacuse they dont need astronomicon :> they dont have to relay on very dangerous warp travel to reach other worlds ^^ whoever own logistc wins and Terran > Empire

Not to mention, powerful weapons. Lasgun penetrating 10m of concrete ? and is stopped by a flak vest (standart IG grunt armour) ? what crap is that ? Lasgun power is equal to an assult rifle, it simply has more shots :>

doan_m

08-08-2007, 11:31 PM

Ha ha ha ha....

Nice one, a Battlebarge destroying a world ? What sort of bull&@# is that ? Entire SW fleet bombarded TS homeplanet and it took them a lot of time to crack it. While protoss purged MarSara in few hours...

And just about how much Warhammer 40,000 fluff do you even know? There is no bull in a battlebarge destroying a world. It has as a matter of fact been done by the Blood Raven's battle barge litany of fury as per the Dawn of War:Ascension Novels. The Rage of Erudition was also able to crack a planet in the same novel was also able to literally crack the planet with thier weaponry. If thats not enough for you then I point you to the novelization Xenos: Where every shot from a space marine battle barge. Still not enough? The novel Caves of Ice states that a brief lance barrage would more then suffice to level continents. The novel Eisenhorn further shows that a broadside salvo is enough to turn a continent into ash. Protoss purging mar Sara in a few hours is absolutely unimpressive compared to 40k ship weaponry.

Titans.. how cool, EMP shockwave+Lockdown bye bye scrapheap...
And all this would work without the Titans blowing up the ghost with navy level weaponry before he ever got in range.... how? Or let alone the fact that titans even go so far as being able to survive an orbital bombardment, and can continue to serve for an extra millenia?

NovaCannon is used by Imperial Navy, not Space Marines :] And its so rare that hardly ever anyone sees one..
And this ever stops a SM battle barge cracking a planet in half?

Mighty ships ? what crap is that, not even ONE warship in mighty Imperial navy operates at 100% of its power,
Let that be a testament as to how much further potential 40k has to stomp Starcraft and an even further testament as to how little fractional power is needed to destroy SC. Its not like 40k even needs to be fully powered to fight anything in Starcraft.

not even at 40% empire is falling apart and the military might equals numbers not skill.
Thanks to the fact that its being besieged by all kinds of powers which are magnitudes bigger then anything in SC. Tyranids, Necrons and Chaos are a force not to be reckoned with. If anything SC would only prove to be a minor nuiscance.

Thechnology is a myth, they pray to a boiler and hope it will work :D Millons of worlds which rarly if ever know anything about others :] Even then,said fragments are still maintained. Hell, look at the Ultramar sector. That is bigger then the Tau Empire and the Tau Empire are 2000 lightyears worth of territory.

Why terrans would own empire ? Beacuse they dont need astronomicon :> they dont have to relay on very dangerous warp travel to reach other worlds ^^ whoever own logistc wins and Terran > Empire
And guess why they need to rely on those dangerous methods? The warp was responsible for putting a major stopper on all normal FTL travels methods available, thus forcing humanity to rely on an alternative means of travel otherwise known as the Warp.

Not to mention, powerful weapons. Lasgun penetrating 10m of concrete ? and is stopped by a flak vest (standart IG grunt armour) ? what crap is that ? Lasgun power is equal to an assult rifle, it simply has more shots :>

Said 10m of concrete is a higher end setting of lasgun (and yes the lasgun comes in different power settings) this was accomplished in a gaunts ghost novelization. And it does not simply have "more shots" it can simply be recharged quickly by putting it in sunlight

Mikosz

08-09-2007, 11:13 AM

And just about how much Warhammer 40,000 fluff do you even know? There is no bull in a battlebarge destroying a world. It has as a matter of fact been done by the Blood Raven's battle barge litany of fury as per the Dawn of War:Ascension Novels. The Rage of Erudition was also able to crack a planet in the same novel was also able to literally crack the planet with thier weaponry. If thats not enough for you then I point you to the novelization Xenos: Where every shot from a space marine battle barge. Still not enough? The novel Caves of Ice states that a brief lance barrage would more then suffice to level continents. The novel Eisenhorn further shows that a broadside salvo is enough to turn a continent into ash. Protoss purging mar Sara in a few hours is absolutely unimpressive compared to 40k ship weaponry.

Ha ha ha... u ever heard about Battlefleet Gothic ? Battlebarges AINT made to crack anything, they got strong support weapons and are designed to transport SM chapters, in a Ship to Ship combat thay aint that tough. U say in novels they smash planets ? Bla bla bla... Then Chaos would totally own Empire that way, and Cadia would be a distant memory so cut the #$@#... only units capable of oneshotting a world were Blackstone fortress and Chaos Planet Killer... rest is fluffy talk made up in novels... :]

And all this would work without the Titans blowing up the ghost with navy level weaponry before he ever got in range.... how? Or let alone the fact that titans even go so far as being able to survive an orbital bombardment, and can continue to serve for an extra millenia?

And how do u wish to attack a cloaked ghost ? he could as well be on board :] besides... Nids swarmed Tytans and took them down... so sorry they aint so tough :]

And this ever stops a SM battle barge cracking a planet in half?

Yes.. Fluff wise SM dont destroy worlds, they dont have that kind of fire power to crack a world without DAYS of barrage..

Let that be a testament as to how much further potential 40k has to stomp Starcraft and an even further testament as to how little fractional power is needed to destroy SC. Its not like 40k even needs to be fully powered to fight anything in Starcraft.

Im sorry, but they dont realize HOW to repeair their ships. They are breaking apart... thats why they operate at minimum power :] Terrans know what to do, they know how to use Cloaked ships to break thr shields and smash vital systems...
Sorry.. but BIG ships against cloaked fighters are just.... a juicy target :>

Thanks to the fact that its being besieged by all kinds of powers which are magnitudes bigger then anything in SC. Tyranids, Necrons and Chaos are a force not to be reckoned with. If anything SC would only prove to be a minor nuiscance.

Empire is large... so what ? They cant destroy TAU.. so little as they are why ? Wheres the allmighty Imperial army ?
Besides many many worlds would simpy join Terran dominion :] coz humans in SC are more... normal ?

And guess why they need to rely on those dangerous methods? The warp was responsible for putting a major stopper on all normal FTL travels methods available, thus forcing humanity to rely on an alternative means of travel otherwise known as the Warp.

Hah... Crons use FTL travel methods and ? Terrans would do hit&runs and Empire wouldnt even know from where they came from...

Said 10m of concrete is a higher end setting of lasgun (and yes the lasgun comes in different power settings) this was accomplished in a gaunts ghost novelization. And it does not simply have "more shots" it can simply be recharged quickly by putting it in sunlight

BLAH... 2nd edition SM was able to survive a blast from a battletank and go on... now they fall from mere lasguns ?
So theres no need for SM lets just let guardsman set Lasguns on max and win the war... yeah ... :)

Lasgun is reliable, offers many shots and the laspack can be recharged by many means... even by putting it into a fire (well it shortens the lifespan of the battery but hell) but if aint very powerful ^^

StarFyre

08-09-2007, 12:35 PM

This is funny..seeing how SC IS a rip off from Warhammer 40K anyways...And believe me, I am a big fan of SC...(I do like WH more, espec since I find the tabletop games/real rpgs pnp, much better than any video games)...

But knowing both universes, WH40K obviously is more powerful than the stuff in SC, espec since most of the abilities in SC prob won't even affect stuff in 40K and as someone mentioned i believe, SC being a smaller scale video game, has to be balanced in a very different way (a much easier way for one than a table top game) but for example...you got marines with machine guns that can penetrate battlecruiser and carrier shields/armour? uhm..hell no....that's just dumb and i have the same issue with Dawn of War...but in the table top game..that can't happen. You want to penetrate armour? unless you have Heavy weapons (space marine Land Raiders armour is sttronger than anything we have currently of course by a large margin) you can't...which would make much of the terrans useless.

but you also have to remember, 40K is technically Fantasy... the existance of the gods (nightbringer...yes the necron's are led by true gods...from another dimension, such as the Beyonder in marvel comics or Abraxus, galactus..any ofthose super beings that could rip the entire SC and WH universes apart).... I compare this to D&D where, if a god is to enter a regular world system they have to take a weaker form...their avatar (or if you have seen Dogma, Alanis!). Nothing can realyl kill the nightbringer for example (you may hurt his standard form but true form can never be harmed) and he has weapon in epic (aeionic orb) that can destroy planets, stars, etc. The necrons themselves are the oldest race and have the most advanced tech in 40K..they alone would rip through any SC races. (and should in 40K as well, but due to GWs retarted story telling, that just never happens).

Chaos is another issue...the chaos primarchs, abaddon, etc..these don't realyl have any equals in SC...abaddon's sword, which has the soul of a demon trapped in it, rends reality apart and thus, anything (other than like the Nightbringer) that he hits..is instanty killed. Vehicles/mechs are pentrated and almost destroyed as well. Chaos would just corrupt races in any universe as is does in WH.

God..I can't believe I bothered. this is funny.

I Must say, even though I do sometimes participate in these discussions...

Arguing online is like winning in the special olympics...even if you win, you're still retarded...

DontHate

08-09-2007, 01:08 PM

yea, i chose 40k too. It is just more detailed and there are more units and stuff. starcraft is great and all, but eh.

Mikosz

08-09-2007, 02:09 PM

Well Ctans can die :) only 3 or 4 are left now Nightbringer,Deciver ,VoidDragon and one more i think...

And online forums are made to argue :P what can u do more here, exchange facts ? Heresy ^^

doan_m

08-09-2007, 08:16 PM

Ha ha ha... u ever heard about Battlefleet Gothic ? Battlebarges AINT made to crack anything, they got strong support weapons and are designed to transport SM chapters, in a Ship to Ship combat thay aint that tough.

Did you just decide to purposely ignore novel evidence in favor of a tabletop game that only represents space battles rather then actually demonstrate what 40k ships are actually capable of? because if so, then that right there is a fallicious arguement to make. Why is this? TT games succh as BFG, Epic 40k, WH40k, WHFB etc etc are only meant to represent what the hell is going on in the universe that is limited to the allmighty dice and fixed values that are also prone to changes for balances sake thus making TT gaming an invalid arguement in any attempt to use it as fluff. Much like you attempted to do. Also, only by the 40k standard are they incapable of engaging most other ships. Against something that comes from SC, the battle barge would be more then capable in destroying whatever SC ship there is out there.

U say in novels they smash planets ? Bla bla bla... Then Chaos would totally own Empire that way, and Cadia would be a distant memory so cut the #$@#... only units capable of oneshotting a world were Blackstone fortress and Chaos Planet Killer... rest is fluffy talk made up in novels... :]

And guess what? "Fluffy" talk made up in novels, is actual 40k fluff that is the highest order of 40k canon there is out there. Why the hell are you so keen on omitting 40k novels when you yourself have used the Starcraft novel Liberty's Crusade to support your arguement? Do you not see your own hypocrisy yet, or must I continue to explain further as to what the hell is wrong with the omission of fluff to fit your needs?

In novels, planet killing and rending a planet completely lifeless is a normal thing in 40k. There are that many planets and there are that many people to kill. Hell oh so many planets get rendered oh so very often and yet it still does not stop the Imperium especially against Chaos. The reason why Chaos has not destroyed the Imperium with thier planet killing weapons because the Imperium still fields the same (albiet not as powerful but far more common amongst ships) planet busting weapons that are used to counter chaos.

And how do u wish to attack a cloaked ghost ? he could as well be on board :] besides... Nids swarmed Tytans and took them down... so sorry they aint so tough :]
A titan usually has its void shields active to actually prevent such intrusions from ever happening. But if thats still not enough, even titans have thier own adamantium layer with the higher end titans being reinforced with meters thick adamantium (and believe me when I say that in 40k adamantium is a common metal to find, so common that there was a planet that was encrusted in adamantium) Thier sensors have been known to see a good 30 kilometers all around. Those sensors being Auspexes which act as bio-detectors in those relevant ranges.

And from the way you type, its as if tyranids are not tough enough. These are the same units that have bio-titans capable of burning a 20 mile radius of forestry in under several seconds, with genestealers that have been known to slice through adamantium like a hot knife through butter, and have carnifex's which were able to destroy a land raider in a single swipe of its claws (and land raiders usually have a layer of adamantium within), they number in the quadrillions and hell, even thier weakest gaunt unit has been known to rip through steel with its own claws. So how the hell do having titans killed by Tyranids make the Titan so detrimental?

Yes.. Fluff wise SM dont destroy worlds, they dont have that kind of fire power to crack a world without DAYS of barrage..
Fluff wise SM's DO destroy worlds like they did in the DoW: Ascension novelization which IS actually fluff supported on the official black library website and I state again, it shows a SM strike cruiser being able to crack a planet in under an hour. Thier weapons are capable of that seeing as how every shot from a SM battlebarge had continental sized explosions, which I state again is in the novelization Xeno's which is yet again, more fluff.

Im sorry, but they dont realize HOW to repeair their ships. They are breaking apart... thats why they operate at minimum power :] I point you to the novel Execution Hour, where there are ships that are refitted with different kinds of weapons and different kinds of armor plating, unique amongst each ship that it causes diversity, for each ship making them more unique. Surely if these ships have no problem with refitting these ships with different parts then it is so blatantly clear that they are able to fix thier own ships.

Terrans know what to do, they know how to use Cloaked ships to break the shields and smash vital systems...
There firing against ships that do battle with the same warships that deal out continental nuking firepower broadside for broadside. Since when has the Terrans ever displayed any firepower like that? And besides, 40k ships are also armed with their own auspex's but if thats not enough, they always keep their psykers handy.

Sorry.. but BIG ships against cloaked fighters are just.... a juicy target :>
A juicy target which they would be completely incapable of dealing with given that the relevant ranges for a 40k battleship has actually been shown to engage at distances that range at 450,000 km, some dropping as low as 15,000 km or 20,000 km even(as a generous low end figure). Weaponry on 40k as I have stated again and again are of a continental destroying nature, hell even the lances are capable of destroying continents and yet 40k Void shields are still capable of withstanding such withering firepower. Just what in the blithering hell can the Terrans ever possibly field against a ship like that?

Empire is large... so what ? They cant destroy TAU.. so little as they are why ? Wheres the allmighty Imperial army ?

And do you know why they have not destroyed the Tau? Firstly its because there so minsicule that not all of the Imperium has even bothered to notice them. Second of all, the Imperium deems Chaos, Nids and Necrons to be far of a bigger threat that there resources are usually dedicated to them first and oh so very little to the Tau. In otherwords, the allmighty Imperium's army just does not give a damn about the horribly weak Tau.

Besides many many worlds would simpy join Terran dominion :] coz humans in SC are more... normal ?

and 40k humans are not. These are the guys who put there faith in someone called the God Emperor of Mankind and who are constantly being besieged by the denizens of the warp. If anything the Terran would simply be far to foreign to be accepted.

Hah... Crons use FTL travel methods and ?

The Necrons are the greatest haters of the warp there is. Unlike most others, they actually know how to deal with the warp and actually build technology dedicated to countering the warp. Such an example of technology is the Necron's Pylons which is responsible for suppressing the size of the Eye of Terror. So really now, the same guys who actually know how to combat the warp would quite so clearly know how to build an FTL that would actualyl work against the limitations of the warp.

Terrans would do hit&runs and Empire wouldnt even know from where they came from... [/QUOTE]

Said 10m of concrete is a higher end setting of lasgun (and yes the lasgun comes in different power settings) this was accomplished in a gaunts ghost novelization. And it does not simply have "more shots" it can simply be recharged quickly by putting it in sunlight

BLAH... 2nd edition SM was able to survive a blast from a battletank and go on... now they fall from mere lasguns ?
Fluff is always changing in 40k.

So theres no need for SM lets just let guardsman set Lasguns on max and win the war... yeah ... :)

A semi-automatic rocket launcher should be considered useless because a lasgun penetrates concrete? Your not even taking into account that not all gaurdsmen would always do this seeing as how it would be detrimental to thier battery life, yet normal settings are still sufficient enough to cause a single shot to vaporize any poor victims head, also even if they are able to penetrate concrete it still does not mean they can penetrate certain armor types like that of the Rhino or the Leman Russ. Rhino armor was able to shrug off bolter fire as if it was nothing and as mentioned before, bolters are basically semi-automatic rocket launchers. A Leman Russ' armor was capable of withstanding a 150 mm projectile that was shot out at hypersonic velocities. Hence why the lasgun can become oh so useless against bigger enemies

Lasgun is reliable, offers many shots and the laspack can be recharged by many means... even by putting it into a fire (well it shortens the lifespan of the battery but hell) but if aint very powerful ^^

There not powerful by the 40k standard as illustrated above but in any other universes the lasgun would be a gift from the gods.

Mikosz

08-10-2007, 12:41 AM

Yes, becouse games are made by NOVELS... many W40k novels are pure crap, comissar gaunt boldly wounding a chaos marine in HtH ? how.. ? books are always overrated :]

Like what ? COUNTER ? how ?? how do u plan to counter a fleet that u are able to detect while it starts blasting at your world ?? Chaos besiged Cadia and its still there.. so ur saying Chaos Ships are so weak and puny that they cannot smash a world apart ? In gants ghosts chaos fleet burned the planet to the ground by orbital barrage... and somehow it didnt broke apart in few hours... fluff is bluff... thats all to it... i can write a novel where one Primarch would fart and a planet would crack... if GW would recognize me before i published the book, there would be Fart Crackers space marines.... ^^

I did ?? when ? i never read that one :]

And Cron H.destroyer shoots theu Land rider with one shot... Tau Railgun too... oh my.. even crappy Orky Gargant can smash titan apart... adamantuim.. wow... Marine from SC also have adamantuim equivalet armour, ships are made from much more rezistant material :]

And superman lifted a mountain... i prefer Battlefleet gothic sheets than overblown novels... they are much more reliable than some words written by man that just asked GW for permission to use their universe...

Sure... they refirt them with new stuff. Coz they dont know how to repair the old one... and in every change those ships are crippled even more....

Funny.. but psykers aint that reliable not to mention they are quite fragile and dengerous to themselvs... the auspex is kinda... crap ? Eldar stealth hides them from Imperial sensors... why do u think terran equipment is worse :]

Necrons serve the remaing ctans... they are nothing without them and Ctans are far from indestructable...
They suppres Eye of Terror ? How silly... they tried to do that when there were still hundreds of them.. now only 3 remains its silly to say thay can do Anything big...

Tau... they destroyed 3 or 4 crusades some made by IG and some by SM and sadly the empire cannot destroy them... :]

Yeah.. fluff changes, maybe in first edition those weapons were so wonderful as u say, now they are nothing special...

Smokiehunter

08-10-2007, 12:59 AM

I have to say star craft just because of the zerg and the over whelming swarm. the space mariens definitly beat starcraft mariens but I think when you incorperate the vihicals and every thing else the terrans have an advatage on the empire of man (sary forgot acual name)

doan_m

08-10-2007, 04:07 AM

Yes, becouse games are made by NOVELS... many W40k novels are pure crap, comissar gaunt boldly wounding a chaos marine in HtH ? how.. ? books are always overrated :]

A highly incorrect statement on the very nature of fluff and canon. There is no correlation between games and novelizations. Both are only related in the sense that they represent the universe of which they came from. Novels to state the oh so blatantly obvious are a means of telling stories, yet others view them as the means of showing thier known feats. In such a case where feats are displayed they are generally accepted due to the fact that these actions are seen in actual action in the actual existant universe rather then a game which is only meant to represent and crudely display what goes on. And if books are so overrated then I should just simply say that Liberty's Crusade is an overated book simply because the Protoss were able to glass a planet. But I respect fluff and will choose not to actually say or believe that why? because I accept Liberty's Crusade to be actual Starcraft Canon and many of the other Starcraft novels as well. Do you actually think that its right to dismiss the novel because one feels compelled to call them overrated and write them off as non-canon? No, because if that were possible then the Gantrithor's bombing of Chu Sara would never exist and there would be far less firepower that would exist for the Tau. So stop writing off fluff just because it does not suit you.

Like what ? COUNTER ? how ?? how do u plan to counter a fleet that u are able to detect while it starts blasting at your world ?? Simple. By shooting back at it and force it to divert its firepower elsewhere.

Chaos besiged Cadia and its still there.. so ur saying Chaos Ships are so weak and puny that they cannot smash a world apart ?
No I am not. It just merely proves how well defended Cadia is against the foes of chaos. Cadia is a freaking fortress world with oh so many defenses up its wazoo that most of its defences would shoot down chaos ships before they would get the chance to fire upon the planet itself. Also there is the fact that around 5000 necron pylons exist on the surface of cadia which are responsible for suppressing the size of the eye of terror. And also the relevant Navy defenses responsible for engaging ships in space.

i can write a novel where one Primarch would fart and a planet would crack... <B>if GW would recognize me,</B> before i published the book, there would be Fart Crackers space marines.... ^^
You do know that two primarchs fighting on a planet actually are responsible for cracking a planet right? And obviously not all planets crack under orbital fire, the aformentioned battle barge was a more higher end case, rather the planet just gets severely glassed and rendered lifeless enough so that not even a micron of bacteria can still exist there. And theres the fallacy right there, get your book recognized by GW and have it published with thier seal and you may if you wish have it called canon. But when its not recognized by GW its obviously not canon.

I did ?? when ? i never read that one :]
State the relevant quote on this one.
And Cron H.destroyer shoots theu Land rider with one shot... Tau Railgun too... oh my.. even crappy Orky Gargant can smash titan apart... adamantuim.. wow...

It only merely shows just how many adamantium cracking weaponry there are out there in 40k. Anyone with half a mind knows that even the low end chainsword has monomolecular edges that are also designed for penetration through adamantium. Bottom line with adamantium as a common occuring metal in 40k, it only makes sense that there should be alot of adamantium cracking weaponry.

Marine from SC also have adamantuim equivalet armour, ships are made from much more rezistant material :]
Prove it. Show me where it states that Terran Marines have anything that is adamantium armor at all.

And superman lifted a mountain...
And held black holes in his hands, survived flying through a red sun, lifted a kryptonite island into space, flew around the world to turn back time, etc etc. How is superman even relevant to this conversation?

i prefer Battlefleet gothic sheets than overblown novels... they are much more reliable than some words written by man that just asked GW for permission to use their universe...
Your personal preferences do not win out over what GW has actually declared as canon.

Edited out quotes. Please read the forum rules and refrain from quoting unnecessarily.

Funny.. but psykers aint that reliable not to mention they are quite fragile and dengerous to themselvs... the auspex is kinda... crap ? Eldar stealth hides them from Imperial sensors... why do u think terran equipment is worse :]

Simple. Because Eldar equipment is far superior to that of the Terrans and that of the Imperium. Eldar stealth technology are intentionally advanced enough that it obfuscates optical sensors and other targetting sensors. Wraithbones tend to bend radiation around there contours. They also have holoshields that fragment images of thier targets and create sensor ghost on purpose.

Necrons serve the remaing ctans... they are nothing without them and Ctans are far from indestructable...
They suppress Eye of Terror ? How silly... they tried to do that when there were still hundreds of them.. now only 3 remains its silly to say thay can do Anything big...

Except of course possess the most superior FTL drives that ever existed in 40k which allows them to reach thier destinations in seconds with lightning guns that are capable of destroing 5 of the Imperiums frigate in a single lightning arc. They cleanse entire worlds of life and rend souls and enslave them into machinery. Even with such few C'tan left the Necrons are still more then a viable threat in the 40k universe.

Tau... they destroyed 3 or 4 crusades some made by IG and some by SM and sadly the empire cannot destroy them... :]

There was only one crusade that they "drove away" and that was the Damocles gulf Crusade which was actually flawed. First of all SM's in that Crusade were employed infrequently. But when they were they wreaked havoc on the Tau. Second of all, supply lines were intentionally left unguarded leaving them to picked off by the Tau, the Crusade itself was also to hastily mustered and finalized. And although these flaws still took place the Imperium nearly did win against the Tau had it not been for the fact that those in the Crusade had to be diverted to fight an incoming Tyranid Hive fleet which was a far more greater threat then the Tau.

Yeah.. fluff changes, maybe in first edition those weapons were so wonderful as u say, now they are nothing special...
You do know that most of my mentioned fluff did not even exist when the first edition was released right?

Merged posts. Please read the forum rules and do not double post.

I have to say star craft just because of the zerg and the over whelming swarm.
Do the Zerg even number in the quadrillions? because thats how large a single Tyranid hive fleet can be. And even with them running around the galaxy the Imperium of Man (for the time being is still alive). If anything the Zerg in 40k would be an underwhelming swarm since the IoM are highly accustomed with ridiculous numbers (thanks to the Orks). Hell even the Imperial Guard can be a massive force. Some state that the IG are so massive that if the IG's soldiers were lined up standing shoulder to shoulder, they would cover an entire planet.

the space mariens definitly beat starcraft mariens but I think when you incorperate the vihicals and every thing else the terrans have an advatage on the empire of man (sary forgot acual name)

And the Space Marines don't have vehicles since when? They have long range whirlwinds, Rhino tanks able to withstand the hits of what is otherwise a semi-automatic rocket launcher, has tanks that even have a layer of adamantium on it (same goes for terminator armor) along with gunships that have 750 km/s (IIRC) speeds of acceleration. So how are Terran vehicles advantageous over 40k vehicles?

doan_m

08-10-2007, 04:13 AM

I have to say star craft just because of the zerg and the over whelming swarm.
Do the Zerg even number in the quadrillions? because thats how large a single Tyranid hive fleet can be. And even with them running around the galaxy the Imperium of Man (for the time being is still alive). If anything the Zerg in 40k would be an underwhelming swarm since the IoM are highly accustomed with ridiculous numbers (thanks to the Orks). Hell even the Imperial Guard can be a massive force. Some state that the IG are so massive that if the IG's soldiers were lined up standing shoulder to shoulder, they would cover an entire planet.

the space mariens definitly beat starcraft mariens but I think when you incorperate the vihicals and every thing else the terrans have an advatage on the empire of man (sary forgot acual name)

And the Space Marines don't have vehicles since when? They have long range whirlwinds, Rhino tanks able to withstand the hits of what is otherwise a semi-automatic rocket launcher, has tanks that even have a layer of adamantium on it (same goes for terminator armor) along with gunships that have 750 km/s (IIRC) speeds of acceleration. So how are Terran vehicles advantageous over 40k vehicles?

Mikosz

08-10-2007, 08:14 AM

Rhino is a troop transport, Bolter aint rocket laucher it got bullets that are like missles but they are hardly powerful.
A Missle launcher is a Missle launcher and Whirlwinds is a typical MAPW weapon, rather crappy compared to a Siege tank.

I didnt read Libertys crusade...

Eldar tech is better ? Why.. becouse they all write its better ? sure... empire NEVER EVER lost a single war.... coz it is written so in history books on many worlds. They are so old so their tech is better, pointy ear makes them uber, beeing a dying breed automaticly gives them technologial advantage. super.. you belive one fluff and automaticly it is the GODS voice and nothing else is true...

Cadia a fortress world, sure. But taking into attention there are weapons that shoot at the range of 450.000 km able to vaporize ground defences in one shot than how is it supposed to fight back ? Shooting back, hell yeah... chaos fleet jumps in and fires a barrage at planet- long before ANY defence can react... BOOM. Pylons ? they are Cron ground defence, and Epire found them only on a few tomb worlds :]

GW says Battlefleet Gothic is main source of data sheets regarding space combat in Wh40k, it shows how fights between starships go in warhammer universe. And Wh40k tabletop game is the source of data about power of land warfere units... Imperial armour and so...

Coz superman is like a battlebarge... he farts fire and flies like a brick... and in fluff somehow it happens just as the writer wants not as if it should be acording to data...

Crons are uber... so noone is as they are. They are the ultimate meanece to galaxy... until the next codex comes out :]
Like the eldar they are soooo goood... posesing a crappy Infantry and even more crappy ICs...

Your personal preferences do not win out over what GW has actually declared as canon.

Your personal preferences do not win with Starcraft... :P

Major Willy

08-10-2007, 08:38 AM

Warhammer vs Starcraft...

Serious business. Especially since one dimension is set about... what? 38 thousand years later?

That's fair.

Nikzad

08-10-2007, 02:13 PM

I responded once to this thread about how retarded it was I think and now it shows up every time someone makes a post under "Show new replies to your posts". I've never even play warhammer, so it makes it even less desirable for me to read.

Somebody start ranting so I can lock this **** lol ;D

Mikosz

08-10-2007, 06:52 PM

Im ranting.... ranting.... ranting.... ranting.... ranting....

Is it enough :) ?

doan_m

08-11-2007, 04:26 AM

Rhino is a troop transport, Bolter aint rocket laucher it got bullets that are like missles but they are hardly powerful.

It is described as being able to turn the upper torso of a human being into a mist of blood and guts in a single hit. It was also capable of tossing around a person who wieghed half a ton, which is a crapload of power to displace something that weighs that much. Some even go as far as fully vaporizing a human being which would have a minimum energy output of 100-200 megajoules of power.

A Missle launcher is a Missle launcher and Whirlwinds is a typical MAPW weapon, rather crappy compared to a Siege tank.
A siege tank possesses dual 80 mm guns and in siege mode deploys a 120 mm cannon, how is that better then a whirlwind?

I didnt read Libertys crusade... It still does not excuse the fact that you talked about the bombing of Mar Sara by the Protoss.

Eldar tech is better ? Why.. becouse they all write its better ?
And what the hell else? Are you trying to imply that even the makers of the eldar are false and that even written fluff is false? If that is even the case then why don't I just omit the SC manual from this debate.

sure... empire NEVER EVER lost a single war.... coz it is written so in history books on many worlds. They are so old so their tech is better, pointy ear makes them uber, beeing a dying breed automaticly gives them technologial advantage. super.. you belive one fluff and automaticly it is the GODS voice and nothing else is true...

Contrary to what you are attempting to construe in the most inane way that I have ever seen, thier is a whole lot of fluff evidence which shows that the Eldar do indeed have better technology. The only fundamental problem being is that with them being a dying breed who hides most of the time and barely engage in battle unless they are forced to. Hell back then,before the fall of the Eldar into a state of near extinction, the Eldar used to have thier own set of Gods who used to do battle with the C'tan. They had a webway gate network that allowed them to traverse the galaxy extremely quickly(now is fragmented but still existant), hell they even had a gun called the Aklimor which was a dark matter gun which could annihilate planets for lunch. And finally, please remember who the engineers of the Blackstone fortresses were, thats right that would be the Eldar. And like I said before, the only reason why there so screwed and so weakened right now was in special thanks to the birth of the Chaos God Slaneesh, who instantly killed all Eldar within 2000 lightyears(IIRC) of himself just by being born. So in otherwords, yes. The Eldar do have superior technology but the insufficient numbers to deal with them and the will to confront thier enemies unless they absolutely have to.

Cadia a fortress world, sure. But taking into attention there are weapons that shoot at the range of 450,000 km able to vaporize ground defences in one shot than how is it supposed to fight back ?
Shooting back, hell yeah... chaos fleet jumps in and fires a barrage at planet- long before ANY defence can react... BOOM.

Imperium Sensor tech also allows them to see ships from that far as well. Just think about it. If a ship of the Imeperium is capable of firing at 450,000 km ranges and Chaos ships are still able to deal with these ships then clearly they have the technology required to deal with these relevant ranges and firepower meaning that they in turn possess ranges of greater or similar distances which obviously explains why Cadia has not yet been turned into some forsaken Daemonworld.

Pylons ? they are Cron ground defence, and Epire found them only on a few tomb worlds :]

And yet there are still 5000+ pylons on the planet of the Cadia where some are active in supressing the size of the eye of terror. This pylon count appeared when Inquisitor Eisenhorn made his visit to the planet Cadia.

GW says Battlefleet Gothic is main source of data sheets regarding space combat in Wh40k, it shows how fights between starships go in warhammer universe.
Which says absolutlely nothing about it being an actual demonstration of space combat in 40k but rather as I emphasis again, the representation of 40k space combat in a tabletop game. The data sheet that I believe you are referring to was some old fluff that was rewritten by novels which provided greater firepower yields the model provided by Andy Chambers went something like this:
1 point of firepower=610 gigatons
1 point of range= 1000 km

And Wh40k tabletop game is the source of data about power of land warfere units... Imperial armour and so...

would you actually care to provide direct quotes from them for this? Simply put, if Andy Chambers provides a model which translates TT into the living 40k universe for BFG then why should WH40k TT be limited to simply TT. Bottom line, its just stupidly absurd.

Coz superman is like a battlebarge... he farts fire and flies like a brick... and in fluff somehow it happens just as the writer wants not as if it should be according to data...

And data usually provides a poor model and omits many things that novels would otherwise explain. Novels are also in their own right, their own form of data. These novels having the official Black Library seal effectively making them canon are also not omitted because they provide a greater wealth of data that acts to expand the 40k universe and enrich it thus setting benchmarks higher rather then limit itself to old data. Novels also act to overwrite original data especially at the point when they are very recent. Besides if 40k would have to be limited to such a thing then why not (again) Liberty's Crusade? It sets the benchmark for Carriers possessing planet glassing weapons yet the SC manuals state them as carrying no weapons except for the ability to manufacture interceptors. So if as a generalization, fluff had to be limited to old original data, then the glassing of Chu Sara never happened.

Your personal preferences do not win with Starcraft... :P
Aside from stating that 40k would stomp SC, where have I made personal preferences? Most of what I did was state novel evidence that would prove that 40k would stomp SC and even included the novels from SC into the debate. But hey, heres some other 40k vs Starcraft topics just to show that its not just me who says so:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-417876-starcraft-vs-warhammer-40-000.html
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=104149&highlight=starcraft
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=95044&highlight=starcraft
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=105163

Mikosz

08-11-2007, 07:21 AM

Crap... in novels Lasgun can toss a CSM several meters away :]

Bazilisk has one cannon and its still MUCH stronger than WW.....

Mar Sara bombed by Toss... it was in the game :] Oh.. u never played it ?

If eldar tech is soooo much better why they get they ass ra3*#$ by any other army heh ?

Chaos my friend is capable of anything by the fluff... even to hide their presence in warp :] Warships DO NOT have the power to smash a planet (witch exceptions i mentioned erlier)

Ya ya ya... then Empire would dismantle them just as ANY Xeno tech, as heretical abominations... bye bye (as for Cadian pylons)

The novels got the seal becouze the writes asked GW can they use WH40K universe in their books and were approved,, after that... who cares :]

And i say most of WH40K ships would fell apart in SC universe just becouse the reality there is normal, not a fallout wersion of Ankh-morpok...

Oh.. anf as we are at it... i say Lex universe would pwn Warhammer universe... they got ships able to destroy a solar system in one shot...

GuiMontag

08-11-2007, 07:53 AM

the borg will assimalte all :P

zeratul11

08-11-2007, 09:18 AM

warhammer seems exaggerated. i wish starcraft 2 is too. too bad its just 4 years after broodwar. thor is not enough. we need the gundam and MEGA battlecruisers that shoots ULTIMATE YAMATO that can destroy planets too. plus UED should have the NUKKEEE that can destory planets unlike the weaker version of it. i hope they include something as fluff as this in the campaign story not only the hybrids and xelnaga. anyway hybrids should have SUPER BIG monsters that can destroy thors in a sec. 3 times the size of a thor. lol. uhm UED should send their gundam mechs and MEGABATTLESHIPS not terran stolen arsenals.

hhmm. warhammer vs starwars?

DRed

08-12-2007, 01:06 AM

i have DAWN OF WAR 40K and i im here to tell you that THE 40K universe would win even though im a SC fan boy..Im just stating the facts..I understand both universes very well..

doan_m

08-12-2007, 04:37 AM

Bazilisk has one cannon and its still MUCH stronger than WW.....

Mar Sara bombed by Toss... it was in the game :] Oh.. u never played it ?
I have played both Brood War and the Original SC. However the bombing of Mar Sara did still happen in the Liberty's Crusade novel and there is no real cutscene that can quantify their capabilities, thus making the sc game useless in telling us the detailed firepower of their BDZ capabilities. Thus we turn to Liberty's Crusade and the bombing of Chu Sara which tells us far more of thier planet glassing capabilities and thus far act as the most detailed piece of data to tell us of thier capabilites.

If eldar tech is soooo much better why they get they ass ra3*#$ by any other army heh ?

Chaos my friend is capable of anything by the fluff... even to hide their presence in warp :] Warships DO NOT have the power to smash a planet (witch exceptions i mentioned erlier) And of course exceptions to several Space Marine battle barges which was where the real relevant point was. Everybody knows that the standard 40k warship does not destroy a planet (persay), it just merely glasses the planet until the atmosphere is gone, and not even one microbe of bacteria is left on the planet.

Ya ya ya... then Empire would dismantle them just as ANY Xeno tech, as heretical abominations... bye bye (as for Cadian pylons) From time to time, if the Xeno tech serve a real use they actually do against there own rule (with some hypocrisy to be added for good measure) and actually do Xeno tech from time to time. Hell, some assassins have no problems with wielding C'tan necrodermis blades which they apparently have no problem with using and of course even use Pylon's to suppress one of thier great threats to the Imperium, obviously being Chaos.

The novels got the seal becouze the writes asked GW can they use WH40K universe in their books and were approved,, after that... who cares :] And thus with this quote you have only reinforced my arguement by conceding that GW does as a matter of fact make thier book canon.

And i say most of WH40K ships would fell apart in SC universe just becouse the reality there is normal, not a fallout wersion of Ankh-morpok...

Thats very untrue saying that the reality there is normal. There is little to no reality existent in any piece of science fiction at all. Just to illustrate the very concept of FTL drives should never exist because according to science (IIRC) nothing can actually move at the speed of light, despite that in any other sci-fi universe they usually move at freaking 11 times the speed of light (in star trek higher end warp speed is something at the velocity of several billion kilometers per second). Also every sci-fi has thier own specific incorrect display of physics. A specific one to note is the custcene in Brood War, where what are supposed to be hyervelocity 8mm rounds barely do jack all to displace two zerglings from thier spots despite thier size (thier durablity would be irrelevant since they would still be displaced) yet a grenade fires later ( a weak one that barely kicks up any dirt or any water) takes out both Zerglings. Bottom line, physics always gets morphed in any amount of science fiction.

Oh.. anf as we are at it... i say Lex universe would pwn Warhammer universe... they got ships able to destroy a solar system in one shot...
So can the Cultureverse, the Total Annihilation universe, the Supreme Commander universe, the Posleenverse, Marvel and DC cosmics etc etc. I can easily concede to these forces as they would be able to take the upper hand against 40k. But against Starcraft, thats just a definite no. So whats your point in bringing up a different universe?

Major Willy

08-12-2007, 06:12 AM

In a competition of rock paper scissors, I bet Warhammer's Scissors could beat Starcraft's Rock.

Warhammer VS Starcraft is like a single robber wielding a pistol VS an entire S.W.A.T. team.

There's no competition and no reason to debate this.

Mikosz

08-12-2007, 09:25 AM

Starcraft would own totally Warhammer universe... with one shot :]

Theres no reason to discuss diss, just lay down and die warhammer..... HAHA HA

doan_m

08-13-2007, 12:35 AM

Starcraft would own totally Warhammer universe... with one shot :]

Theres no reason to discuss diss, just lay down and die warhammer..... HAHA HA

7 pages worth of discussion and extra links making the same consensus not enough to drill it in your head how badly Starcraft is doomed?

zeratul11

08-13-2007, 01:39 AM

not that badly. they can hold their own and can inflict major damage on warhammer too. although in the end..entaro starcraft.

Mikosz

08-13-2007, 04:28 PM

One Marine gun in SC is powerful enough to destroy a Warhammer universe... and thats the truth...

Now... just DIE.... HAR HAR HAR

VarunaSky

08-14-2007, 01:37 AM

Aren't there Billions of of people living in Earth in the starcraft universe? I mean Earth's Technology is still unknown compared to terran's technology, they probably have **** capable of wiping out any ships from the 40k universe.

Not to mention the the zerg units you seen in game arent the only tools of war the zerg have. I'm sure the kept those in for the purpose to "balance" the game. I'm sure they have crazier **** we haven't seen yet that can pretty much make the game imbalance but live only within the starcraft universe

doan_m

08-14-2007, 03:56 AM

not that badly. they can hold their own and can inflict major damage on warhammer too. although in the end..entaro starcraft.

Quite the opposite. WH40k can pretty much beat SC in pretty much every single way imaginable, ranging from armor, ships, psychic powers, down to the last insectoid being. As mentioned before, your single average ship from the Imperium can pretty much turn an entire continent into a mound of ash with just thier primary broadsides. So there it is, an illustration of firepower in space. Firepower on ground is where insanity lies in the most. As explained before Bolter's are pretty much semi-auto rocket launchers capable of turning the upper body of a human into a mist of blood and guts in a single shot. These are mounted by Space Marines, the maniacal asshat war monks of the galaxy, who move at speeds which are described as so fast that they appear as a blur to the normal human eye, can rip open tank hatches, and have many enchancements that further justifies them as the supersoldiers as they are (secondary heart, third lung, reinforced bones, acidic saliva, specialized poison filtering organs etc etc). A lasgun, one of the most famously weak end guns of the 40k galaxy are still in thier own right extremely powerful, being able to punch through several feet of concrete on higher settings. To illustrate range, the Basilisk is capable of shooting as far as 125 km shooting a projectile which leaves a crater in the ground that measures 30 m in diameter. Numbers are not something to be messed with either. The Imperium possesses at the least quadrillions of humans within thier Imperium. A better illustration of numbers lies within the Tyranids where a single hive fleet numbers in the trillions of nids ready to scour and eat a planet of anything that so much as resembles the living. Psychic powers are by far the craziest thing in the galaxy in 40k. Some higher end psykers (as what they are called in 40k) can divine the future centuries ahead (granted its not all the time), can snap massive titans with a flick of thier wrist, turn a person inside out by whispering a sylabble, and make entire armies go mad by thinking it. Hell Ravenor, had an ability where all he had to do was whisper some words and a person would just fall to the ground and die, he was also apparently also able to raise an army of undead from planets away. Not all psykers are well in control however, some may end up singlehandidly accidently killing off cities to planet full of people who are unfortunate to be live on the same planet as said psyker. Also remember that the annihilation of the soul is also pretty common in 40k as well. The Grey Knights have thier own Nemesis weapons dedicated to shattering the souls of thier foes and psykers have also ripped the souls out of the bodies of people by thinking it as well. Even then, there still not so bad. Its the daemons that you have to worry about seeing as how Gargatuloth, a Tzeentchian Daemon Prince was able to make lightyears worth of people go mad just by being on the plane of reality. So how does this even end in SC's favor at all? ANd how the hell are they ever going to inflict major damage at all?

ww
Aren't there Billions of of people living in Earth in the starcraft universe?
23 billion if I recall correctly from the ending cutscene after the Terran Brood War campaign. Still not enough to combat 40k.

I mean Earth's Technology is still unknown compared to terran's technology, they probably have **** capable of wiping out any ships from the 40k universe.
Finding a piece of technology from said Earth would help to actually prove such a statement, otherwise, its merely baseless speculation that could not be used at all. I seriously doubt they have anything up to the 40k level, otherwise, they would have fielded something amazing against the Zerg.

Not to mention the the zerg units you seen in game arent the only tools of war the zerg have. I'm sure the kept those in for the purpose to "balance" the game.
See above. It relates.

Mikosz

08-14-2007, 05:29 AM

Sadly starcraft world is more real than warhammer and so warhammer perishes like fog when getting contact with starcraft....

Brrrrrwziiuuuuuoppppp..... empire craps himself.... eye of terror weeps and geydar make an orgy with tau and everything is falling to pices.... while one terran marine scraps some remains of warhammer universe from his shoe...

sadly MIB teory was right.... SC universe was just BIGGER..... THE END

StarCraft144000

08-14-2007, 05:33 AM

StarCraft will win I promise they will win!

doan_m

08-14-2007, 03:42 PM

Sadly starcraft world is more real than warhammer and so warhammer perishes like fog when getting contact with starcraft....
As mentioned before, this is science fiction where reality and phsyics have pretty much been shot out the window. Both possess thier own different sets of rules on reality which deviate greatly from physics. SC deviates from it as well thus making your "starcraft is more real" claim completely fallicous and false. The proof? Look at the claims of hyersonic speeds on 8mm gauss rounds. Thier is overwhelming evidence that points to it being otherwise. First in the brood war cutscene, where a marine is seen shooting two zerglings but do jack all to displace them from thier spots despite the rounds moving at such a vicous speed. Now one would most likely just say "the Zerg's carapace is that durable" Wrong again. In that same cutscene the Zerglings get destroyed by a less then decent grenade. Yet said grenade does nothing to displace water or dirt. Especially in such an enclosed trench it does nothing to the surrounding environment. That right there is a deviation from normal physics. Also please note that as per shadow of the Xel'naga Zerglings can be killed by farmers with pitchforks. That right there is also contradiction on a grand scheme. So before making the claims of what is realer or not real, do your research before jumping to stupid conclusions.

Brrrrrwziiuuuuuoppppp..... empire craps himself.... eye of terror weeps and geydar make an orgy with tau and everything is falling to pices.... while one terran marine scraps some remains of warhammer universe from his shoe...
Said Terran Marine does not even match up to the level of a Space Marine. Terran Marines do not even stand an iota of a chance of being bigger then the 40k universe.

sadly MIB theory was right.... SC universe was just BIGGER..... THE END

A population of 23 billion vs the Quadrillions of the Imperium. Billions upon Billions of Zerg compared to the trillions of Tyranids in a single fleet. Whats this about the SC universe being bigger? Because last I checked the MIB universe theory was only limited to the laws of the MIB universe itself. Said theory would not even exist outside the univrse.