Terran Dominion

[orphean]

When asked about the status of the Terrans (who were decimated at the end of the Brood War expansion pack for the original Starcraft), creative designer Andy Chambers explained that "the UED terran forces were destroyed by Kerrigan's Zerg armies (though a few surviving companies may still be around somewhere)," and that the Terran faction in Starcraft II will primarily consist of the "evil empire" of the Terran Dominion.

How do you Terran-fans feel about playing the bad guys? :)

[gnom]

Blizzard story is never black and white its never sure who is bad or good.
it depends of the point of view
Like in real life

[Fenix]

I don't think they think of themselves as bad guys.Â* If you ask me, the UED was oppressive, but didn't care about what happened to the outrigger humans.Â* Remember when Mar Sara was sterelized?Â* Did the UED give a crap?Â* Nope.Â* So, I don't think of the Terran Dominion as bad guys, as the the Sons of Korhal actually cared and stood up to the Zerg and Protoss.

[red_dragoon]

Yeah, "evil" is in brackets.

But they do sound kinda bad :-\

[Immortalrulez]

to me they seemed bad in the original starcraft anyways

[orphean]

Blizzard calls them the evil empire! I don't care what everyone else says, Terran Dominion = Evil ;)

[vemynal]

Some of us like to play the bad guys^^

[ZerglingRUSH]

Some of us like to play the bad guys^^




Like me! KEKEKEKEE

[orphean]

Oh no, a horde member in my starcraft forums?! Gasp!

[mc2]

Famous line from Jim Raynor:

"Seems like just yesterday that Arcturus was the idealistic rebel crusader. And now he's the LAW and we are the criminal. It kills me to know that we've help him achieve his dreams"

[Exterranminator]

Commanding "bad" Terrans is great thing. I have absolutely enought playing good, patriotic and always "attacked by alien badass" humens. Is sooo...boring. Arcturus is a bad guy- thats why i like this hero more than f.e. Stukov- who is just a loyal soldier, breave patriot.

[orphean]

I know I'm looking forward to hearing more from that Dawn of War looking admiral guy that was in the gameplay vids.

[Fenix]

Commanding "bad" Terrans is great thing. I have absolutely enought playing good, patriotic and always "attacked by alien badass" humens. Is sooo...boring. Arcturus is a bad guy- thats why i like this hero more than f.e. Stukov- who is just a loyal soldier, breave patriot.


Hey, don't dis on Stukov. He was awesome. Dis on DuGalle or someone, but not Stukov.

[orphean]

I was sad when Stukov bit the dust, I liked him :-\

[Singuris]

I don't know if i'd call the terran dominion the bad guys. Acturus(don't think i spelled right) he's the bad guy he accused the
Confederacy of doing terrible things when all they were trying to do is keep the public oblivious to what was going on. The Dominion I'll say were stupid for fighting with the protoss when an alliance may have been possible but they didn't know what was really going down since Duran played them out. The Point is it's all perspective and the only guys that i know for a fact was truly good was Tassadar, Jim and Stukov.

[Amajeln]

to me they seemed bad in the original starcraft anyways


Agreed, I felt more positive while playing Protoss. Terran always had that darker feeling.

[Singuris]

It's all perspective but the dominion was pure evil no doubt

[mc2]

Technically speaking, the Zerg is the most unified race..........well yeah thats obvious...

Look at the terrans, they went on a civil war between Arcturus and the confederacy
then another civil war between the dominion and UED

With the protoss we had Aldaris+conclave vs Tassadar+dark templars.......and this division occured in both original + brood war

Ok kerrigan did manipulated everyone and even fooled raynor and fenix........in terms of the zerg, as long as there is an matured overmind, we can gurantee that there'll be unity

[10-Neon]

If you think about it, in StarCraft you are always playing "the bad guys", or rather "the smart guys that know what they're doing and overthrow the majority." The only place where you spend any amount of time helping "The Man" is in the first Zerg campaign.

Episode I: Rebel against the Confederacy
Episode II: Help the Overmind invade Aiur (only one where you play as part of the majority)
Episode III: Rebel against the Conclave
Episode IV: Do the unthinkable and join the Dark Templar
Episode V: Invade from the Terran system (UED)
Episode VI: Kill the new Overmind.

[Exterranminator]

The Point is it's all perspective and the only guys that i know for a fact was truly good was Tassadar, Jim and Stukov.


Stukov was loyal, even brave, but not good. In BW intro he was just looking at terran forces being overrun by the Zerg Swarm. Hes fleet also attacked (unprovoked) Protoss forces on Braxis, while they fled from the planet. Only Fenix, Tassadar and Raynor (and Kerrigan- before her infestation) could be describe as a good guys.

[TheDarkTemplar]

I never felt right playing with Terran, but I felt worse playing with Zerg! I don't think you can label any one race as good because they all have their evil aspects, but still, I favour the Protoss simply because they rock.

[Singuris]

The Point is it's all perspective and the only guys that i know for a fact was truly good was Tassadar, Jim and Stukov.


Stukov was loyal, even brave, but not good. In BW intro he was just looking at terran forces being overrun by the Zerg Swarm. Hes fleet also attacked (unprovoked) Protoss forces on Braxis, while they fled from the planet. Only Fenix, Tassadar and Raynor (and Kerrigan- before her infestation) could be describe as a good guys.


If i recall he ask degualle if they should intervene he said no. Hoand i'll give you the braxis thing but he was following orders

[Fenix]

Bingo. DuGalle was a freaking bugger. Gave all kinds of crap orders. Course, later on it was because Duran was messing with him, but still.

Stukov was just cool. And he had an awesome hat.

[mc2]

^ True ^
in brood war the UED wouldn't be in such a mess if duran hasn't mess around
and the protoss will be better too if kerrigan didn't mess around

[vemynal]

Only Fenix, Tassadar and Raynor (and Kerrigan- before her infestation) could be describe as a good guys.


Fenix-yes, but then we don't know anything about him till the protoss missions
Tassadar-no, he's a bad A** dang straight but goody goody? no. Her sterilized whole planets. While he was still "underorders" i was "underorders" is the same excuss many Nazi's used to get off scott free after ww2. Though in the end he does give it up as immoral. After what? 5 or 6 planets XD

Raynor- goody goody all the way >.>

Sarah- (i refer to none infested sarah Kerrrigan as "sarah" XD) Not really :P, she was an assassion used by Mengsk to kill off confederate officers.

[Fenix]

Only Fenix, Tassadar and Raynor (and Kerrigan- before her infestation) could be describe as a good guys.


Fenix-yes, but then we don't know anything about him till the protoss missions
Tassadar-no, he's a bad A** dang straight but goody goody? no. Her sterilized whole planets. While he was still "underorders" i was "underorders" is the same excuss many Nazi's used to get off scott free after ww2. Though in the end he does give it up as immoral. After what? 5 or 6 planets XD

Raynor- goody goody all the way >.>

Sarah- (i refer to none infested sarah Kerrrigan as "sarah" XD) Not really :P, she was an assassion used by Mengsk to kill off confederate officers.


Fenix was the Defense Praetor. He wasn't an aggressor, so, to me, that says good guy.

Tassadar. Imagine how strong the Zerg would be with five or six more planets!!!

Raynor led a merc group. I thhink of merc groups as good and bad, though he was Marshal for a time.

Sarah....She didn't have any choice. She was conditioned since she was six.

[reject_666_6]

So it seems that all good guys die before the game ends. :'(

[Fenix]

'cept Reynor.

Obviously, I was pissed when Fenix died, elated when he came back, then REALLY pissed when I actually had to kill him.

[vemynal]

I liked that they gave Fenix a CGI for his 1st death though^^

But it did yes suck to relate Fenix to such a low character level that he's killed off merely to progress Raynor's character >.>

[mc2]

ok here my rundown

Arcturus: good guy turned bad guy, then good again
Raynor: pretty much protagonist the whole time (shouldn't have helped kerrigan though)
Kerrigan: good turned bad, then turned really bad, then became queen *****
Fenix: very good turned foolish and died (shouldn't have helped kerrigan though)
Tassadar: good and died of heroic deeds
Edmund Duke: bad turned good then bad again and died
Zeratul: good, good, good (shouldn't have helped kerrigan though)
Raszagal: good, then mind controlled, kidnapped and died
Aldaris: good, then turn foolishly bad, then good, and died
Overmind: good, bad, good, bad, died
Artanis: good, good, cocky, good
Zasz: good and died
Daggoth: good and evolved
Stukov: good, good, good, infested
Dugalle: good, dumb, bad, died
Duran: good, bad, evil, very evil

So in the game there's no absolute "good" or "bad" but rather how you view the story and which side you want to win

[TheDarkTemplar]

Overmind - good?

I was also majorly pissed when I had to kill Fenix, he was my second favourite character behind Zeratul. His first CGI death was cool though.

[mc2]

Overmind - good?

I was also majorly pissed when I had to kill Fenix, he was my second favourite character behind Zeratul. His first CGI death was cool though.


Yes the Overmind is good because his plans of assimilating the Protoss is fullfilling the aspirations of his father - Xel'Naga

[TheDarkTemplar]

I guess... I still see the Zerg as the true enemy in StarCraft though :D

[reject_666_6]

Maybe the three races will finally find true enlightenment once they are assimilated. Who knows?

[Exterranminator]

Maybe the three races will finally find true enlightenment once they are assimilated. Who knows?



yeah...and pigs fly ;D

[Fenix]

A minor note on Stukov....The infestation happened in one of the games that I'm not sure are canon. Just throwing that out there.

[reject_666_6]

I've read that they are canon since they're being approved by Blizzard, even though original copies are impossible ti find nowadays...

[earwhen]

Three races being assimilated??i thought zerg only and protoss came from thier daddy the so called "zel-naga"..
for me zerg is the enemy..terran union(corrupt uniun) filled with crazy leaders..Protoss(good!!)just trying to find a place of their own..because zerg destroyed aiur..

[evolvtyon]

Overmind - good?

I was also majorly pissed when I had to kill Fenix, he was my second favourite character behind Zeratul. His first CGI death was cool though.


Yes the Overmind is good because his plans of assimilating the Protoss is fullfilling the aspirations of his father - Xel'Naga


wut? Xel' Naga did not what such thing :-X

[reject_666_6]

We'll never know what the Xel really wanted until Blizzard make them a playable race!!!

[earwhen]

Xel= RACE
Xel-naga= PLACE

[reject_666_6]

Since when is Xel'Naga a place? Got any sources to back that up there, skippy?

[mc2]

The Xel'Naga is a group of highly advanced race, that specializes in genetic engineering/modification.
The Xel'Naga were obsessed with create a "perfect" race. Perfect means a race containing the purity of form and the purity of essence.

The Xel'Naga discovered the "Protoss" on Aiur and found out they contained the purity of form. So the Xel helped the Protoss evolve into a technologically advanced race with fully mastered psionic abilities. But it failed as the Protoss turned their back on the Xel.

The Xel continued its journey to the planet Zerus, and discovered these little "Zerg larvae" that contained the purity of essence. The Xel'Naga genetically engineered the Zerg race as we know it today. As the overmind matured, it turned its back on the Xel.

Now the Protoss = purity of form..........................the Zerg = purity of essence............................the Xel'Naga vows to merge the 2 races together and became "PERFECT"

[earwhen]

sori..i forgot to place a qustion mark there..but anyways..not sure but the xel naga was a temple..a big temple..in which both races were created(correct me if m wrong)..both races consider this place their birthplace because this was the place they were created..may i ask?which was created first?protoss or zerg??i can remember clearly but i think its zerg until they got replaced by protoss..am i ryt?

[earwhen]

now ma minds clear thankees!

[mc2]

The evilness of the Confederacy is just overwhelming.

The confeds invented "psi emitters" to attract the zerg to a certain area. In this case Mar Sara was selected by them to experiment the new weapon. What they planned to do is to use these emitters to lure the zerg into an rebel's main base. As the rebels are being severely attacked by the zerg, the confeds would activate the "psi disruptor" to disrupt the zerg's communication signals. Then they send their forces in to "save" the rebel's base. so they'll get great reputation.

But Arcturus also turned evil, just like Kerrigan said "I don't think anyone deserves to have the zerg unleashed on them". followed by the abandoning of Kerrigan because she questioned his actions......hmm quite evil.

And the UED too, they are also evil. everyone is

[evolvtyon]

Well i guess that only the zerg are good in the middle of all this; in their inocence they just wanna learn and assimilate, that's what they were created to do; and they, don't abbandon anyone , don't betray anyone, work together. Hell they're almost perfect ;D

[fat-]

Well i guess that only the zerg are good in the middle of all this; in their inocence they just wanna learn and assimilate, that's what they were created to do; and they, don't abbandon anyone , don't betray anyone, work together. Hell they're almost perfect ;D



So true so true ;D

Who cares if you play the bad guy or the good guy as long as the story line in general is good, ITS SALL GOOD!!!!

[TheDarkTemplar]

I don't particularly care if I'm playing an evil or a good race, like you said I just want a good storyline :D

[Singuris]

The Xel'Naga is a group of highly advanced race, that specializes in genetic engineering/modification.
The Xel'Naga were obsessed with create a "perfect" race. Perfect means a race containing the purity of form and the purity of essence.

The Xel'Naga discovered the "Protoss" on Aiur and found out they contained the purity of form. So the Xel helped the Protoss evolve into a technologically advanced race with fully mastered psionic abilities. But it failed as the Protoss turned their back on the Xel.

The Xel continued its journey to the planet Zerus, and discovered these little "Zerg larvae" that contained the purity of essence. The Xel'Naga genetically engineered the Zerg race as we know it today. As the overmind matured, it turned its back on the Xel.

Now the Protoss = purity of form..........................the Zerg = purity of essence............................the Xel'Naga vows to merge the 2 races together and became "PERFECT"


Oh ya and the Xel'naga made the zerg and protoss[

[reject_666_6]

Remember, folks, that the Dominion started off as all militaristic states start on this planet: a group of rebels wanting freedom from an oppressive regime (the Confederacy), achieving it through dishonest trickery (used Psi Emitters to wipe out all human life on Tarsonis) and becoming an autocratic dictatorship. It's just one big history lesson...

[mc2]

When a person is in power, he/she will do anything to ensure that their power is not threatened.
When Kerrigan questioned Arcturus's actions, he let the zerg overrun her. Thats not something a leader should do.
Nevertheless it's very nice for Kerrigan not to take revenge in him.

[Fenix]

but they are not as evil as the confederacy, which used nukes to wipe out a planet and zerg on it's on people...the dominion did use zerg, but that was war, no a test weapon...at least mengsk is better than corrupt confederacy government...he has a vision..


So, what. The 'toss are evil? They sterilized planets.

[coalescence]

So, what. The 'toss are evil? They sterilized planets.


I think theres a big difference between wiping a infestation of ravenous creatures from a planet (where sadly some humans died, mind that they anyway would have died from the infest) and deliberatly massacring a whole planet full of people because some of them are extremists.

Confederacy is not 'evil' but they had some bad baaad man on high ranks.

[Pix]

Let's not forget that Mengsk was the one who sent Kerrigan down onto Tarsonis in the first place. He knew that she couldn't survive...
Therefore, the entire reason the Zerg still exist is thanks to Infested Kerrigan, and therefore thanks to our old pal Arcturus. He's the one to blame, no?
Oh, and hi y'all. First post, new member! =D
~Pix~

[reject_666_6]

Welcome to the forums, Pix! ;D

Yes, ultimately it was Mengsk to blame, but now it is beyond his power to stop any of the remaining factions. His time as a major player is up, and he'll probably be dead by the end of Sc2, or the expansion.

[mc2]

Mengsk should have died at the end brood war, too bad Kerrigan spared his life....
Jim Raynor should take over as the leader of the dominion, hope they dont throw in too many new characters..

[Pix]

I don't think Raynor is really the "emperor" type.
He'd be happier in some backwater post with more connections with real people than paper-shuffling from some high throne in Korhal...
Thanks for the welcome, Reject! I think I'm going to like it here =D
~Pix~

[reject_666_6]

I can't imagine Mengsk as the lonely dictator who dreads his life and finds his look-alike like in The Prince and the Pauper so that he could live among his subjects. :D

[TheDarkTemplar]

Totally agree, Raynor isn't exactly the Emperor type!

[mc2]

Arcturus just p*sses me off for some reason. raynor doesn't neccesary have to be emporer but rather a leader of a group. but yeah someone would of been better for the job for dominion

[coalescence]

Raynor for president! ;D


Guy: "Mr. President, we have a situation"
President Raynor: -"What?"
Guy: "Duran Corp. introduced broodling burgers"

[Singuris]

Well I also think Jim is not the leader type he's more of the loyal side kick.

[coalescence]

I think Raynor is a excellent leader, but hes more of a general or a president than a emperor. Emperor has a certain feel over it which isnt correct.

[reject_666_6]

I guess none of us will ever really know first hand how power corrupts man, unless somebody among us is next in line for the throne.

[coalescence]

I guess none of us will ever really know first hand how power corrupts man, unless somebody among us is next in line for the throne.


Well, translated in english my surname does mean 'the king' (and I'm not ****ing joking ;D)
Think that doesn't count does it :P

[mc2]

In order to consolidate his/her rule over a group. (s)he will do anything that's evil to wipe out any competition and threats. Our history books proves this regarding this matter :P And if (s)he does not consolidate the rule, it's likely they will be wiped out by rebels.

Arcturus abandoned the human Kerrigan
Kerrigan ordered to destroyed the overmind
the UED is taking out the dominion
the conclave is just bureaucratic madness

[Exterranminator]

His time as a major player is up, and he'll probably be dead by the end of Sc2


For now he seems rather to make his first real stand. In SC & SCBW he was a little boy hit by others (Prots, Zerg, UED), now he might be for the first time on the top unless somebody else can replace him. Dominion is the last terran faction capable of neutrelise Zerg Infastation in Koprulu sector. Raynor lost his prottos ally Fenix , besides his little rebel agenda is too weak to handle with Kerrigan, Kel-Morian was devastated by Zerg and they were rather neutral during the great wars and brood wars. UED is offline. Only Mengsk have enough strong influence to unite remaining terran forces from Korhal, Braxis and so on.

[capthavic]

feel sad about mengsk...in the beginning he was a 'good guy' who actually wanted to save people...he got his revenge in a bloody way, but it was fair...but then he got totaly obsessed by power...unlees he relises his mistakes in sc2, he wil get killed like duke or fenix...


I don't feel sad at all. At the start he may have been right and had an honorable goal but that quickly changed. He only cares about himself and everyone else is a tool to be used and sacrificed (even those closest to him) to achieve power. I really hope he gets his in SC2.

[reject_666_6]

It'll be hard, but he's the only Terran player left in the game. Raynor just has a detachment of men to cover him, but Mengsk's got the only army...

[TheDarkTemplar]

I was wondering reading up on the story last night, and it said that the remaining UED ships never made it back to Earth in time - so does that mean the people back home don't have a clue what happened? And does that mean the Zerg now know where Earth is?!

[Gold]

yes to the first
dunno about the second, im sure kerrigan dosnt actually care about earth, which seems to be completley russian

[Gold]

if its the "United Earth Directorit?" then why are the comanders russian, and the valkeries german?
are all valkerie pilots german?
i dont have problem with russians, it just dosnt seem very "united"
i dont care really............

[reject_666_6]

I'm sure that the Russians just happen to have the strongest navy of all of Earth's countries. The US/UK probably have the strongest army, so that explains the different accents for ground/air units. Battlecruisers actually do look like a Russian scientist created the model (it resembles a Kalashnikov ;))...

[Gold]

the whole starcraft story reminds me a little bit of the american coloneys.
every terran in the secoter has a american country accent,
they call it the confederacy
jim raynour is a marshel
they try and us ehte zerg as slaves

then the earth (the united kingdom) come back to reclaim it all.
but get beeten back,

its has slight similarities
its a cool story though

[reject_666_6]

The origin of the Confederates winding up on Tarsonis and the other two planets is more similar to Australia's first colonization rather that New England's. And a confederation is just a generic term for an association of sovereign states or communities (i.e. the three planets that "united" to form the Confederacy). And the Zerg are more like weapons of war, rather then slaves, kinda like biological weapons. And as far as I can tell, Britain didn't get beaten back by an alliance of three formerly opposed races, but just by the actual colonists (not even Canada helped...).

[Gold]

i said it has slight similarities, and i meant slight.
the idea of the forsaken people (austrailian convicts, american colonists)
being sent away, but then a few years later being forced back into a passive alliance is a strong story arc.
and in starcraft they use it 3 times (kerrigan, dark templar, UED)
its a cool story

[reject_666_6]

Then we'll call it Reject's Law, and define it as the communist version of Godwin's Law. ;)

[Singuris]

other terran factions haave fought off the zerg the Ujumion protectorate and terran Pirate groups it's just that the domnion is what every one thinks of when you hear terran I personally hate the dominion and every time I play terran I consider my self UED or some confedrate renegades.

I liked the confedrates they tried to keep the public unawre of the zerg to prevent panic although they were harsh they were a nessacary evil. they probaly would use the psi emitters to lure zerg on to planets and glass the planet.

[reject_666_6]

I've always wondered why they didn't shoot a Psi Emitter into space and have the Zerg fetch after it for eternity or something like that to get rid of them.

[coalescence]

if its the "United Earth Directorit?" then why are the comanders russian, and the valkeries german?
are all valkerie pilots german?
i dont have problem with russians, it just dosnt seem very "united"
i dont care really............


Commanders russian? Only Stukov. DuGalle is French!
Also? Why isn't it united? They all speak good english, they just have accents, thats something you'll keep when people come from all over a planet.

[Singuris]

valkeries are french as well the UED was formed from the ashes of the UN and is from all over the world but was formed in europe so you can expect more european based commanders.

[Gold]

if its the "United Earth Directorit?" then why are the comanders russian, and the valkeries german?
are all valkerie pilots german?
i dont have problem with russians, it just dosnt seem very "united"
i dont care really............


Commanders russian? Only Stukov. DuGalle is French!
Also? Why isn't it united? They all speak good english, they just have accents, thats something you'll keep when people come from all over a planet.


he sounded russian to me, but dugalle is a french name.

[coalescence]

he sounded russian to me, but dugalle is a french name.


If you listen closely you hear a big difference. Maybe hes belgian, they tend to have a different accent than french, maybe he speaks dutch (northen part of belgium), while is name is french (southern part of belgium.)

[Gold]

well, maybe youve played the campaign a few to many times ;D

[coalescence]

I have played it recently, its not russian.

[Gold]

well i was wrong,

i just think kerrigan is going anihalate the domioun, or at least i hope she does, i wanna see mengsk die.

[coalescence]

Trust me, you will.

[mc2]

Mengsk will most certainly die along with Kerrigan. Lets hope they don't bring up some new lame character to be the leader of the terran race. Even though Raynor might not sound like the most ideal person to lead the Dominion, he still should be the leader.

@ reject_666: The Protoss are probably responsible enough not to send the Zerg out to devastate other life forms outside the Koprulu Sector. The Terrans might do it but so far it seems like they are more interested in taming the zerg and use them to their own advantage

[saradisper]

i agree totaly with mc2!!! hmmm Raynor is my favorite hero of terran

How do you Terran-fans feel about playing the bad guys? :)
[/quote]
When asked about the status of the Terrans (who were decimated at the end of the Brood War expansion pack for the original Starcraft), creative designer Andy Chambers explained that "the UED terran forces were destroyed by Kerrigan's Zerg armies (though a few surviving companies may still be around somewhere)," and that the Terran faction in Starcraft II will primarily consist of the "evil empire" of the Terran Dominion.

How do you Terran-fans feel about playing the bad guys? :)

[Exterranminator]

Mengsk is not lame, his just bad. Thats all. Raynor doesnt really match to being a leader. His too naive. Leader must be somebody soulless and clever. If not,Â* all terrans will be wiped out from Koprulu sector.
I very like Jim...but i also like Mengsk (very strange, i know). With this two only Mengsk can be discribed as a "true leader".

[paragon]

I don't like Mengsk at all and I don't like the Terran Dominion. Rayor's Raiders are cool though and they're the only ones that allied with the Protoss. And the Kel Morian Combine didn't seem bad they just bribed everyone so that they could stay neutral. And I don't know much about the Umojan Protectorate but I remember hearing that it was part of the Terran Dominion. I also don't think Raynor is all that naive. He may have been in the beginning but now he seems to understand it all plus he thought that Kerrigan could betray them, which she did.

[Exterranminator]

He was tricked so many times that he is (in fact) naive. Tricked by Arcturus, tricked by Kerrigan...
And the difference between us is that IMHO alliace with Protoss are not good thing for the Terrans. I talled why i think Protoss are not as good as everybody thinking. They erradicate terran colonies of Chau Sara and Mar Sara (to protect themselves, but whats the difference?). They have always try to saved there own butt, never were interested in alliance with terrans. The last thing is I DONT LIKE PROTOSS AT ALL :) There arrogance is annoing. They were underestimate Terrans to the end, even if that WE are the one, who were able to final destruction of the Zerg race (campaign "Iron fist", chaining the Overmind, terran Psi Disrutor). Even when they face themselves with destruction of there own race, they think the terrans are just a little worms. Artanis, Aldaris...even Tassadar ("...or i destroy your pathetic fleet"). Only Zeratul know, what terrans can be capable of.

[paragon]

But he wasnt tricked by Kerrigan, he said that he thought she would betray them he just thought that the UED was a more immediate threat. However, he was not as prepared for Kerrigan's betrayal as he should have been but then neither was anyone else. And the protoss loyal to Zeratul work with Raynor's Raiders.

[SirBaron]

He was tricked so many times that he is (in fact) naive. Tricked by Arcturus, tricked by Kerrigan...
And the difference between us is that IMHO alliace with Protoss are not good thing for the Terrans. I talled why i think Protoss are not as good as everybody thinking. They erradicate terran colonies of Chau Sara and Mar Sara (to protect themselves, but whats the difference?). They have always try to saved there own butt, never were interested in alliance with terrans. The last thing is I DONT LIKE PROTOSS AT ALL :) There arrogance is annoing. They were underestimate Terrans to the end, even if that WE are the one, who were able to final destruction of the Zerg race (campaign "Iron fist", chaining the Overmind, terran Psi Disrutor). Even when they face themselves with destruction of there own race, they think the terrans are just a little worms. Artanis, Aldaris...even Tassadar ("...or i destroy your pathetic fleet"). Only Zeratul know, what terrans can be capable of.

Hehe you are almost as biased against the Protoss as Gastovil. :P

Jokes aside, the Protoss wasn't actually trying to cover their ass at the beginning, i mean why would they? The Zerg had absolutely no frickin clue where Aiur was. That came when Zeratul accidently touched the Overmind through killing a Cerebrate.
The Protoss burned Terran worlds to stop the Zerg from expanding. The Protoss realized the Zerg was a threat all from the beginning, while the Terrans were the arrogant ones believing they could harness the power of the Swarm (Confederacy - Psi Emitters).
This is reflected further upon the doings of the UED. You said "They were underestimate Terrans to the end, even if that WE are the one, who were able to final destruction of the Zerg race (campaign "Iron fist", chaining the Overmind, terran Psi Disrutor)."
Well the UED didn't bring about the destruction of the Swarm, they, like the Confederacy, was ignorant to the threat of the Zerg, and thought the Zerg was an inferior breed of creatures that could easily be enslaved. Now they DID enslave the Zerg, but the second Overmind they chained on Char... it was weak. Really weak. In the last mission of the UED campaign, ever noticed that the Cerebrates you killed to weaken the Swarm didn't arise, even though they lay right next to the Overmind itself? That's a good indication of the "power" the UED was enslaving (and with that statement i claim the UED were very naive, not that you somehow supported the weak Overmind. Just wanted to clear that out :P).

You mention the Protoss were never interested in an alliance with the Terrans. That's true, but they never openly declared war either. That Mengsk did just fine on his own to prevent the Confederacy from escaping. That's why Tassadar stated "Or i will burn down your pathetic fleet down to the last man." because the Dominion had been halting his progress to sterilize infested worlds.

And Tassadar, even though just a Protoss individual, would mark the first alliance, or friendship even if you will, between Terran and Protoss forces. He saved Raynor from a quite grisly fate (i presume) and continued to harbor him and his Raiders to the very end of the Overmind. Heck, Tassadars influence even bought Raynor and Mengsk an escape from the UED, as the Protoss could trust Raynor. Such an act does not indicate petty selfishness. They knew what Mengsk had done, and would surely have killed him to further prevent meaningless slaughter of Protoss forces trying to stem the tide of the Zerg.

Short in short, whatever my inconsistent rant may seem to you, there's really no "perfect" faction. Both the Protoss and Terrans have been complete asses at times, but both also have proven themselves to be quite altruistic when danger arises. The same cannot be said about the Zerg though...

[coalescence]

even Tassadar ("...or i destroy your pathetic fleet")

Tassadar was the one that allied himself with raynor anyway. And btw, that fleet was of the enemy, thats just war tactics, do you think theres a chance anyone will retreat if you say "...or i destroy your great and mighty fleet". You really have to seperate what someone thinks/knows and on some moment says.

[Exterranminator]

1. Hehe you are almost as biased against the Protoss as Gastovil. :P
2. The Protoss burned Terran worlds to stop the Zerg from expanding.
3. The Protoss realized the Zerg was a threat all from the beginning, while the Terrans were the arrogant ones believing they could harness the power of the Swarm (Confederacy - Psi Emitters).
This is reflected further upon the doings of the UED. You said "They were underestimate Terrans to the end, even if that WE are the one, who were able to final destruction of the Zerg race (campaign "Iron fist", chaining the Overmind, terran Psi Disrutor)."
Well the UED didn't bring about the destruction of the Swarm, they, like the Confederacy, was ignorant to the threat of the Zerg, and thought the Zerg was an inferior breed of creatures that could easily be enslaved. Now they DID enslave the Zerg, but the second Overmind they chained on Char... it was weak. Really weak. In the last mission of the UED campaign, ever noticed that the Cerebrates you killed to weaken the Swarm didn't arise, even though they lay right next to the Overmind itself? That's a good indication of the "power" the UED was enslaving (and with that statement i claim the UED were very naive, not that you somehow supported the weak Overmind. Just wanted to clear that out :P).

4. You mention the Protoss were never interested in an alliance with the Terrans. That's true, but they never openly declared war either. That Mengsk did just fine on his own to prevent the Confederacy from escaping.
5. Short in short, whatever my inconsistent rant may seem to you, there's really no "perfect" faction. Both the Protoss and Terrans have been complete asses at times, but both also have proven themselves to be quite altruistic when danger arises. The same cannot be said about the Zerg though...


1. hehe...indeed
2. yeah....no matter that terran might be wiped out...who cares. Dont offer them alliance, better kill them all. They are too weak
3. And terrans were right. They used Psi Disruptor to disrupt unity of the swarm and thats why succeded with conquest of Char. In the last briefing of "Iron fist" is talled, that Zerg defence was cripled by Psi Disruptor. No matter how strong was Overmind he couldnt beat the terrans with such a divice in theres hands. Kerrigan knew that and Stukov knew that. Thats why he had to died. Why did Kerrigan allied with Raynor and Fenix? Cuz she couldnt beat the UED by there own hands. She had to use terran forces to cut the PD's power. And Overmind was strong enought to control all broods on Char...
4. Yeah, opening fire to terrans wasnt declaration of war either :P
5. I always was talking, that Terran Dominion are really BAD faction. Thats not my fault that i identify myself with evil guys, not the Protoss.

The rest of all your arguments...well...you persuated me :)

[SirBaron]

2. yeah....no matter that terran might be wiped out...who cares. Dont offer theme alliance, better kill them all. They are too weak
3. And terrans were right. They used Psi Disruptor to disrupt unity of the swarm and thats why succeded with conquest of Char. In the last briefing of "Iron fist" is talled, that Zerg defence was cripled by Psi Disruptor. No matter how strong was Overmind he couldnt beat the terrans with such a divice in theres hands. Kerrigan knew that and Stukov knew that. Thats why he had to died. Why did Kerrigan allied with Raynor and Fenix? Cuz she couldnt beat the UED by there own hands. She had to use terran forces to cut the PD's power. And Overmind was strong enought to control all broods on Char...
4. Yeah, opening fire to terrans wasnt declaration of war either :P
5. I always was talking, that Terran Dominion are really BAD faction. Thats not my fault that i identify with evil guys, not the Protoss.

The rest of all your arguments...well...you persuated me :)

2. Well, be as it may that all Protoss didn't pay any heed to the still living Terrans on the planet, but Tassadar did hesitate to sterilize the planet until the Terrans had safely escaped in Chapter 1. He also saved Raynor despite the "Protoss Superiority vs Terran Inferiority" complex most Protoss seem to suffer from.
But then again, Tassadar is Tassadar. :P
3. I would like to declare that we so far only can speculate regarding that. We will never know if the Psi Disrupter was truly strong enough to disrupt the unity between the Overmind and his broods. My personal speculation is that it was the abscense of the first Overmind in addition to the power of the Psi Disrupter that allowed the UED to control the Swarm so easily. Since the death of the first Overmind threw the entire Swarm in disarray, theoretically the Swarm's unity could already have been disrupted prior to UED's arrival in the Korprulu sector. Also, since the second Overmind was in it's weakest stage it could have been more susceptible to the Psi Disrupters power. But that's just speculation, and unless Blizzard divulges some information on it we will never know.
4: Hehe yeah, the Protoss fired first, i'll give you that, but my point was that the Protoss wasn't aiming at the Terrans. They just bombed the crap out of anything that moved to prevent the Swarm from spreading. Technically, Mengsk DID start the war since the Protoss were going after the Zerg but Mengsks Terrans protected them and went for the Protoss instead.
5: That's partially my fault, when someone speaks of the Terrans i automatically go "Mengskdominioncrap". Tbh i think of Raynor more like affiliated with the Protoss rather than the actual Terran faction.

[mc2]

The 2nd overmind would be affected by the psi disruptor's power since it is only like 6 months old. The 1st overmind is definitely more than 10,000 years old. Hence the UED were able to penetrate Char's planetary surface with ease. However the old aged cerebrates still has substantial psi power over its broods, hence why there was invincible sunken colonies and reincarnating torrasques.

[Singuris]

terrans were able to take over overmind by themselves without protoss help needed only problem i belive kerrigan wasn't efffected by the emitters and she rox everybodys socks. and protoss are not pure good just look back at the council man (forgot name) they like all the other races have there good guys and bad except zerg they are all bad lol

BTW mensk said the confedracy knew about the zerg the whole time which is doubtful I belive the psi emitters were part of the ghost project in order to attract more psichics i don't think the intended to draw millions of zerg upon other terrans.
escuse my spelling

[mc2]

The confederacy WAS attempting to attact the zerg using psi emitters. Before the starcraft story started, the confederates dropped hundreds of nukes on Korhal because Korhalians were prepared for a revolt against them. Now of course that caused outrage over the entire Terran sector, and the confederates earned themselves a horrible reputation for incineration the entire planet.

Now the confederates learnt from their mistakes. Whenever a fringe world organization show signs of a revolt, they'll lure the zerg onto their planet and kill all potential rebels using the zerg. So now the Zerg would get blamed instead of the confederates. This evil practice have been carried out by rulers on Earth in real life on numerous occasions. Now the psi disruptor was made so that "in case if the zerg gets totally out of control and threatens Tarsonis", they'll be able to calm the zerg down and destroy them with ease.

Mar Sara and Chau Sara were testing grounds by the confederates with their newest and deadliest weapon. That's why the confederates hesitated to send help for the colonies that were being overrun.

[Exterranminator]

I have a little theory. Its known that Mengsk lernt a lot about a ghosts from data disc and the Kerrigan. But even without that his knowledge about a project is surprisely big. He knew also that Confederacy learned something about the Zerg. He also knew about Psi Disruptor. And, ofcourse, before his rebel he was one of the Confederates. So...maybe he was "involved" to a ghost project?

[mc2]

He was, hence why he decided to rescue Kerrigan from their cruel experiments.

[Itsmyship]

I never liked the Dominion, I was always greatly enjoyed the UED a lot more than the Dominion anyway. In reality, there is no "good guy" in starcraft. People may think the Protoss are the good guys just cuz they've been through some ****. EVERYONE knows the zerg are...well...the zerg. The Terrans are kinda the middle man where they're still just a bunch of factions fighting it out.

[Callex]

Urgh... I cant stand the UED. Their commericals suck ^^

(See last UED mission in brood war)

[Exterranminator]

Am i the one of 2 persons on this forum who realy likes Dominion? I see that everybody hates them (with Mengsk on the first place).

[Itsmyship]

I don't HATE the Dominion, I just like the UED better, possibly because Stukov was my favorite Starcraft character. It made me feel really good taking down an empire ;D

[[LightMare]]

I don't think they think of themselves as bad guys. If you ask me, the UED was oppressive, but didn't care about what happened to the outrigger humans. Remember when Mar Sara was sterelized? Did the UED give a crap? Nope. So, I don't think of the Terran Dominion as bad guys, as the the Sons of Korhal actually cared and stood up to the Zerg and Protoss.

don't you know the UED didn't even exist then!? it was the confederate bastards! not UED

[Singuris]

I don't think they think of themselves as bad guys. If you ask me, the UED was oppressive, but didn't care about what happened to the outrigger humans. Remember when Mar Sara was sterelized? Did the UED give a crap? Nope. So, I don't think of the Terran Dominion as bad guys, as the the Sons of Korhal actually cared and stood up to the Zerg and Protoss.

don't you know the UED didn't even exist then!? it was the confederate bastards! not UED


no the UED is on earth formed out of the un the sent criminals ect to deep space and the became the confedarecy and other pirate millita

[[LightMare]]

but technically, that doesn't make the UED the bad guys right? the prisoners they sent were/are

[SirBaron]

but technically, that doesn't make the UED the bad guys right? the prisoners they sent were/are

They didn't send the prisoners away, it was the scientist Doran Routhe who did.

--- RANT WARNING RANT WARNING RANT WARNING---
He started up a really secret project by buying up 56000 prisoners which he intended to use in the colonisation of space.
So he packed up 40000 of them on 4 carrier ships, Sarengo, Nagglfar, Reagan and Argo with experimental warp engines - only the Nagglfar had a navigational computer. These four were connected to a special AI called the ATLAS, which was supposed to guide the four ships from it's location inside the Nagglfar for 1 year in warp space. However, the ATLAS malfunctioned somewhere on the way and cut itself from the Nagglfar navi-comp, and set the four ships adrift in warp space for 30 years or 60000 light years, finally ending the trip in the Korprulu sector, where the Nagglfar landed on Tarsonis and eventually would found the Terran Confederacy.
The Sarengo and Reagan landed on Umoja, where the Sarengo crashed and killed 8000 of its prisoners. The Reagan's prisoners founded the colony of Umoja, whilst the Argo landed on Moria and founded the Morian colony which would eventually become the Kel-Morian Combine.
---RANT WARNING RANT WARNING RANT WARNING ---

Well, to make a really long story short, the UPL wanted to kill all psionics and cybernetics, referred to as mutants, but Doran Routhe wanted to use them in his colonisation project, so he sent them out into space but the computer that was supposed to guide them malfunctioned and they ended up in the Korprulu sector, far from Earth.

[beBoy]

I personally dont mind playing as bad guys, and I don't really think Dominion as the "evil empire", it's just a way of life and survival for them. UED's "justice" just doesn't work for me, the turning point of Stukov got killed is a good flip for Broodwar's storyline.

[mc2]

Still the UED still shouldn't stick their nose into other's businesses. Dugalle - "The creatures we sent here to tame are untamable". That's what they get for doing what they shouldn't. Throughout history, a dominate empire/army would always lose when try to gain control over foreign territory. Those determined local populance have the homing advantage. The UED victory report also said that the "It was believed that the Zerg Overmind was also planning an invasion on Earth itself", that's so bull.

[Exterranminator]

The UED victory report also said that the "It was believed that the Zerg Overmind was also planning an invasion on Earth itself", that's so bull.


Its unknown if the Overmind had ever known Terran Homeworld, but if he had (I doubt) he/it surely invaded Earth sooner or later.
Remember that infastred terrans had almoust full knowledge about Earth, but they didnt know where its exacly was (navigation malfunction).

[SirBaron]

The UED victory report also said that the "It was believed that the Zerg Overmind was also planning an invasion on Earth itself", that's so bull.
The UED's nose-poking-business, shortened to five relatively simple goals:
1: Wipe out "rogue" Terran colonies.
2: Pacify Overmind and control Swarm.
3: Destroy Protoss using Swarm.
4: ??
5: Profit!

[paragon]

And they woulda gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids! (mainly Duran)

[Singuris]

I'm replying to a number of posts (sorry for writing so much) :P


The confederacy WAS attempting to attact the zerg using psi emitters. Before the starcraft story started, the confederates dropped hundreds of nukes on Korhal because Korhalians were prepared for a revolt against them. Now of course that caused outrage over the entire Terran sector, and the confederates earned themselves a horrible reputation for incineration the entire planet.
Now the confederates learnt from their mistakes. Whenever a fringe world organization show signs of a revolt, they'll lure the zerg onto their planet and kill all potential rebels using the zerg. So now the Zerg would get blamed instead of the confederates. This evil practice have been carried out by rulers on Earth in real life on numerous occasions. Now the psi disruptor was made so that "in case if the zerg gets totally out of control and threatens Tarsonis", they'll be able to calm the zerg down and destroy them with ease.
Mar Sara and Chau Sara were testing grounds by the confederates with their newest and deadliest weapon. That's why the confederates hesitated to send help for the colonies that were being overrun.


that's what mensk said and he could have been lying (like he was about alot of things) although I will admit the nuking of khoral was extreme they had to if a back water colony could overthrow them others would revolt. and the confederacy was forced to, as for chara and mar sara the zerg my have been an accident as they tried to draw psychics out of the colonies and then the zerg showed up, and what if they had called for other colonies aid they get slaughtered by the zerg and the confederacy is at the other end of the gun. Also the psi emiter was in a confederate base why would they unleash the zerg on themselves.



but technically, that doesn't make the UED the bad guys right? the prisoners they sent were/are

They didn't send the prisoners away, it was the scientist Doran Routhe who did.


except he worked for the UED ><


Still the UED still shouldn't stick their nose into other's businesses.

The UED victory report also said that the "It was believed that the Zerg Overmind was also planning an invasion on Earth itself", that's so bull.


NOT there business are you insane a threat like the zerg and the protoss of course the way they went about it was totally wrong but their is no way they could have had all the facts(mainly the jim and tassadar thing). now as for the victory report thats propaganda although he probably was.
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I will admit Terrans have bad people but you protoss players who think protoss have none that's such bull The Judicator Aldaris In my mind was one of the bad guys he put tassadar in Jail and was "racist" against the Dark Templar and if any of you say well if you read the manual it says...
Well same with the terrans and the UED good intentions but the gun got turned around didn't have all the facts and you get killed for it.

[paragon]

No Routhe worked for the UPL which was the thing before the UED.

[Singuris]

As many nations began to ally themselves with the United Powers League, the government was reborn as the United Earth Directorate. from wikipedia

meaning as it grew it changed names so there the same thing

[paragon]

UEd is a the military division of the Ued

Right....
I'm positive they are separate entities. The UED existing after the UPL which I'm sure you meant to say because it can't be the military division of itself.

[Singuris]

Wtf were is that quote from ;)

[mc2]

The UED under the command of UPL on Earth should have never tried to intervent the dramas in the Kropulu Sector. Saying that "the protoss and zerg expansion/war on the other side of the galaxy is a threat to humankind" is so lame.

It's like the Protoss or the Zerg saying "humans from the other side of the milky way has reached us here on Kropulu and we should send a Fleet to Earth and destroy their threat to our stability" Now we all know that they were totally uninterested on Earth and does not want to have anything to do with it.

If the UED/UPL wanted to "save" those Terrans on Kropulu, then they are total hypocrites. Because every Terran on Kropulu were decendants of those who were actually sentenced to death on Earth.

[Singuris]

The UED under the command of UPL on Earth should have never tried to intervent the dramas in the Kropulu Sector. Saying that "the protoss and zerg expansion/war on the other side of the galaxy is a threat to humankind" is so lame.

It's like the Protoss or the Zerg saying "humans from the other side of the milky way has reached us here on Kropulu and we should send a Fleet to Earth and destroy their threat to our stability" Now we all know that they were totally uninterested on Earth and does not want to have anything to do with it.

If the UED/UPL wanted to "save" those Terrans on Kropulu, then they are total hypocrites. Because every Terran on Kropulu were decendants of those who were actually sentenced to death on Earth.

:powerup: this argument is awesome >:D :argue: >:D
1. Wormhole (warp) technology, even the Zerg have it (used to attack Auir) turns the other side of milkyway into next door neighbor.

2. I don't understand what your even trying to say.

3. They might not want to save them, and also time has passed they aren't the same people it has been years since the UPL launched them into space.

p.s. I will try to use commas, and full stops.

[SirBaron]

but technically, that doesn't make the UED the bad guys right? the prisoners they sent were/are

They didn't send the prisoners away, it was the scientist Doran Routhe who did.


except he worked for the UED ><

Now here comes the funny part - UPL didn't know sh*t. Doran Routhe DID know sh*t. ATLAS eventually came to know sh*t, and allowed the UPL to finally know some sh*t. Then the UPL decided to learn of some more sh*t, and when time came and they felt that there was no more sh*t to be known, they decided to attack the Korprulu sector, which didn't know sh*t about Earth knowing sh*t about them.
This resulted in the UED hiring Duran, which knew more sh*t than he wanted to admit, which in the end made UED realize that they did NOT know enough sh*t in the first place, resulting in a lack of sh*t-knowing regarding the power of the Swarm and how to handle it. Kerrigan, on the other hand, really knew a lot of sh*t, so she used this to beat the UED to a bloody pulp. In the end, the UED on Earth didn't know sh*t about what transpired in the Korprulu sector after the "chaining" of the Overmind. Also, Zeratul learned some heavy sh*t on some Dark Moon about Duran knowing a whole sh*tbunch of sh*t.

Okay, to make a long, sh*tty story short:
Doran Routhe could NOT go to the UPL board and be like: "Hello, i would like to buy 56000 of your death-sentenced mutant criminals so that i can let them colonize parts of outer space for the better of mankind's currency, with the possibility of allowing them to expand and grow beyond our control, inadvertably creating a society of mutants surpassing us both numerary and physically."
They would certainly not have enjoyed the thought of endorsing the creation of a colony composed entirely of mutants, particularly ones who were criminals. So, what did Doran do?

He kept it secret. Sure, Doran Routhe was working for them, but he sure as hell worked off the charts.



The UED under the command of UPL on Earth should have never tried to intervent the dramas in the Kropulu Sector. Saying that "the protoss and zerg expansion/war on the other side of the galaxy is a threat to humankind" is so lame.

It's like the Protoss or the Zerg saying "humans from the other side of the milky way has reached us here on Kropulu and we should send a Fleet to Earth and destroy their threat to our stability" Now we all know that they were totally uninterested on Earth and does not want to have anything to do with it.

If the UED/UPL wanted to "save" those Terrans on Kropulu, then they are total hypocrites. Because every Terran on Kropulu were decendants of those who were actually sentenced to death on Earth.

:powerup: this argument is awesome >:D :argue: >:D
1. Wormhole (warp) technology, even the Zerg have it (used to attack Auir) turns the other side of milkyway into next door neighbor.

2. I don't understand what your even trying to say.

3. They might not want to save them, and also time has passed they aren't the same people it has been years since the UPL launched them into space.

p.s. I will try to use commas, and full stops.

1: Aiur and Char both lie in the same sector, savvy? Warp travel is faster than light, i'd give you that, but it ain't instantaneous.
2: He meant it as a comparison to the UED's "resolving the Zerg/Protoss threat to defend earth" bullcrap. The Protoss, even if given the knowledge of Earth's location, would not give one flying [censored] about it. It's a little fart in space for all that matters to them. Same with the Zerg. Why infest a small, remote world 60000 light years away with non-psionic, average homo sapiens when you got fifty worlds full of psionic-capable, mutant-strengthened Terrans across the street?
3: The UPL/UED really doesn't give a crap even how much the Terrans have changed, i'd reckon. It's this, "once a felon, always a felon" mentality. Or, "once a mutant, always a mutant" might fit better.

[Singuris]

There are psionics on earth i'd assume since the UED had ghosts

[SirBaron]

There are psionics on earth i'd assume since the UED had ghosts

Pure story-wise there aren't, but you can't disable the Ghost unit from the entire campaign just because of that. :P

[Singuris]

or the years of evolution could have came with psionics on earth

[paragon]

Or the UED ghosts arn't psionic and are instead just special forces. The Ghost doesn't have any psionic abilities really.

[Singuris]

Ya they do they put psionic dampeners on there abilities it says that in the game

[SirBaron]

or the years of evolution could have came with psionics on earth

Hardly.

From StarCraft-wiki:
"The history of Terran psionic abilities may have begun on Earth even before the existence of the United Powers League. At the end of the twenty-first century, private firms had developed biotechnology which granted human subjects abilities which included advanced telepathy. Unfortunately, Earth erupted in a civil war, partly as a result of these genetic manipulations. By the year 2229, most of the Earth was under the grip of the United Powers League.

The UPL launched "Project Purification" to remove mutations and unnecessary cybernetic prosthetics from the human population. UPL troops scoured the globe, killing over 400 million people and throwing many more into prison. The scientist Doran Routhe, who lived during this period, began a colonization project. He intended to send thousands of prisoners to the world of Gantris VI to mine new resources which could be found there. Many of these prisoners were prey to the mutations that had spanned the human species.

The prisoners were put into cold sleep and loaded into four supercarriers, then sent on a journey. The lead vessel contained ATLAS, a revolutionary artificial intelligence. During the journey, ATLAS discovered something unusual about the prisoners - a relatively high proportion of them had a mutation leading to psionic potential. While currently weak, it would manifest in only a few generations. This information was logged and sent back to Earth. The prison ships missed their target, ending up in the Koprulu Sector. There they founded three colonies, with Tarsonis being the most technologically advanced. Tarsonis founded an interstellar government which they called the Terran Confederacy."
They pretty much exterminated the mutants, and with them the mutant-genes. So it would take decades for the genes to manifest again in non-mutants, maybe even centuries.
Ya they do they put psionic dampeners on there abilities it says that in the game
The Ghosts themselves didn't do this, the Confederacy (who created the Ghosts) did this to make sure they did not turn on the Confederacy.

"About twenty years before the war sparked by the destruction of Chau Sara, the Terran Confederacy had already created the Ghost program. At this time, "neuro-adjusters" were routinely inserted into the heads of uncooperative Ghost subjects ... which was to say, most of them."
Indicative that they didn't do it willingly.

"The Terran Confederacy decided to limit Ghosts through at least four methods.

The first is a surgically implanted psi-dampener, also known as a neuro-adjuster (some of which also suppress or reshape a disloyal Ghost's memory) which weakens their powers. Mindwiping was (according to Arcturus Mengsk) introduced by the Terran Confederacy as a result of Kerrigan's defection from the Confederates. Naturally Mengsk didn't remove this excellent (or horrendous) training technique.

The second are neural processing treatments. The third are aggression inhibitors (which prevent a Ghost from attacking his/her superiors) and the last is Ghost conditioning, a powerful form of hypnosis which restricts the use of their psionic abilities. This conditioning was so powerful that even after Sarah Kerrigan was infested, she did not immediately lose this psychic hindrance. The wide array of anti-psionic control methods may indicate that Blizzard Entertainment did not have a clear vision of how telepaths were controlled in the StarCraft universe."
Arcturus Mengsk do not control Ghosts like the Confederates do.

"Ghosts are given some training in psionics, but not much. Their abilities are generally limited to personal augmentation and mind-reading. Their abilities have expanded since the end of the Brood War, since the mind-wiping technique is seen as superior to the neuro-adjuster."
Another indication that Arcturus Mengsk do not control his Ghosts like the Confederacy did.

My point is:
1: There are no Psionics on Earth, since the UPL killed off pretty much everyone with mutant genes, and it would take decades/centuries for the genes to manifest again in non-mutants.
2: Current Ghosts do not have dampeners (@ Singuris), and they DO have psionic abilities (@ Paragon). However, they do not receive any special training for this but instead focuses on physical training.
3: Gonna quote some more to explain Kerrigans situation:
"Ghosts and other Terrans have a "Psi Index" rating, which scales up to PI10 (the highest rating). Most humans are PI2 or less, whereas most Ghosts are PI5 or more. At least some psychics of PI8 can use telekinesis. The PI ratings of Wrangler Malcolm Kelerchian and Nova are known; 3.5 and 10, respectively."
Kerrigan was a 10 like Nova, and when becoming Infested (and imbued with the power of a Cerebrate (yes, she actually DO count as a Cerebrate)) her powers grew quite a bit, but was still restricted by the Ghost Conditioning. When she removed this she became very powerful, which explains why she can use Psi Storms. (added this because i thought the question might pop up anyways...)

[Singuris]

I'm not quoting all of that. First of all decades have gone by so evolution could have happened. The atlas incedient was more than 200 years ago since 200 years after it the confederacy was formed. We can't have definite times but I assumed many years after the incident the other groups showed that would have been plenty of time, for the evolution to happen.


Right from wiki
Ghost agents

The height of infantry training, the Ghost is an elite special operations unit deployed for sabotage and recon raids. Born with above-average psychic potential and through a combination of training, mental conditioning and neural implants, Ghosts incorporate considerable skill, both physically and mentally. They also are equipped with technology to aid their combat and espionage missions, the most common of which is a personal cloaking device that allows them to become invisible to the naked eye at will. Ghosts are also equipped with a special lockdown ammo type capable of disabling enemy mechanicals and the agents can also opt to cybernetic eyes implanted to increase their eyesight. Ghosts play a major part on the battlefield, possessing the equipment necessary to guide a tactical nuclear missile accurately to its target.

Ghosts are considered highly dangerous and don't often serve in direct combat, although they have higher vitality and power than average Marines. Most Ghosts have a high level of telepathy and in rare cases even telekinesis, although all have their abilities hindered by neural dampeners. They are trained since birth to hone and develop their powers, even against their will - in such cases, neural implants force them to obey their trainers. Ghosts were originally a project by the Terran Confederacy, although after their fall, the project was revived by the Terran Dominion. The UED, despite their disregard for mutations in the human gene pool, also use Ghost agents.

and I assumed mensk would use the same technique the Confederacy would to protect his interests although publicly disapprove. Also I hope you realize you said your self the Ghosts abilities are dampened. Also I know the UED might just be using conscripts from the Dominion area.

[SirBaron]

The UED, despite their disregard for mutations in the human gene pool, also use Ghost agents.
I stand corrected.

[Lord David]

Here's my scale on Terran fraction evilness... (and brief descriptions on each) :P

1. The Confederacy (loosely based on that of Earth's past, based on the use of the flag of The Confederate States of America), they're mostly evil, neglecting the colony of Mar Sara by permitting the Zerg to engulf it due to the use of Psi Emitters, allowing Kerrigan to succumb to the Zerg, being the first Terran fraction to openly study the Zerg (In the hopes of possibly controlling them), they eventually end up joining the Terran Dominion.
2. United Earth Directorate, The result of a United Earth, they came to the scattered colonies of the various Terran fractions in an attempt to recolonize them under the name of the UED, along with the Dominion, they also had hoped to control the Zerg for use of their own, in spite of being a little too evil in most regards, they did manage to finally form a United Earth, and believed that they had the right strategy when it came to pacifying the Zerg.
3. Terran Dominion, a conglomeration of both The Sons of Korhal and The Confederacy, grew to annex sveral colonies and planets, to become a major power.
4. Sons of Korhal, considered a renegade fraction by The Confederacy, they were essentially a group of Terrans striving for independence within Confederate planets, little did people knew that they would one day form The Terran Dominion, a powerful force in the Starcraft Universe.
5. Kel-Morian Combine, they didn't do anything! All they do is mine! What did they do to deserve an invasion by the Zerg?!?!! :good:
6. Everyone Else, essentially any other Terran force too small or insignificant to talk about here.

Eh, do I even know what I'm on aboot? :P

[Lord David]

The UED, despite their disregard for mutations in the human gene pool, also use Ghost agents.
I stand corrected.


Well Samir Duran is a Ghost, who sided with the UED, my guess is that the UED gained access to Ghosts after Duran sided with them.

[paragon]

Duran wasn't really a ghost he was an agent of some other race. He just looked like one in game. Also, stukov was a ghost unit but not actually a ghost.

[shirija]

Is there a way to confirm whether he was infected already when he met the UED or whether he was infected in one of the missions? Duran by his weaponry and abilities was most likely a ghost, even if converted he would still likely have been a ghost before conversion.

[paragon]

He was never really a ghost and he was never really infested.

[shirija]

He was infested, he had zerg carapace in the campaigns. As to whether he's a ghost, the shoe sure fits quite well.

[paragon]

He was an agent of another race (possibly Xel'Naga) pretending to be those things. Didn't you pay attention to the bonus mission where he talks to Zeratul in that weird alien sounding voice? The "I have had many names throughout the millenia but you know me as Samir Duran." thing?

[shirija]

Hmm... I always assumed Duran simply betrayed kerrigan in search of greater power, seeing how human/zerg hybrids have a bad record of rebelling, but Xel'Naga... intriguing.

[paragon]

I can't believe you didn't know this already. It's been like almost 9 years.

[burkid]

yeah, duran pretended to be a ghost, then pretended to be infested, he never was

[SirBaron]

yeah, duran pretended to be a ghost, then pretended to be infested, he never was

He pretended to be human, too. He pretended to be a lot of crap, so we can't really trust him to be anything. Next time we see him he might just pretend to be Megatron or something in form of a Battlecruiser.

[SirBaron]

Here's my scale on Terran fraction evilness... (and brief descriptions on each) :P

1. The Confederacy (loosely based on that of Earth's past, based on the use of the flag of The Confederate States of America), they're mostly evil, neglecting the colony of Mar Sara by permitting the Zerg to engulf it due to the use of Psi Emitters, allowing Kerrigan to succumb to the Zerg, being the first Terran fraction to openly study the Zerg (In the hopes of possibly controlling them), they eventually end up joining the Terran Dominion.

Yes the Confederates were quite evil, first they used Nukes to burn Korhal, and when the Sector went all "OMGLOLMOTHARF***ERS" then they wanted to blame someone else when they had the sudden urge to destroy worlds.

2. United Earth Directorate, The result of a United Earth, they came to the scattered colonies of the various Terran fractions in an attempt to recolonize them under the name of the UED, along with the Dominion, they also had hoped to control the Zerg for use of their own, in spite of being a little too evil in most regards, they did manage to finally form a United Earth, and believed that they had the right strategy when it came to pacifying the Zerg.

Now this reminds me of my original theory regarding the UED+Ghost deal. Maybe it was so that after witnessing the psychic power of Ghosts that the UED thought they could be used against the Zerg. It's like using poison, you don't use it because you like it but because it has it's effects and uses.

3. Terran Dominion, a conglomeration of both The Sons of Korhal and The Confederacy, grew to annex sveral colonies and planets, to become a major power.

Well if you meant that some of the Confederate worlds joined the Sons of Korhal, that's correct.

4. Sons of Korhal, considered a renegade fraction by The Confederacy, they were essentially a group of Terrans striving for independence within Confederate planets, little did people knew that they would one day form The Terran Dominion, a powerful force in the Starcraft Universe.

Very correct, but i'd like to claim that they weren't really looking for freedom on the Confederate worlds, instead they wanted to crush the Confederacy on these worlds for burning Korhal. Just remind yourself that Mengsk is exactly the kind of dictator the Confederates were.

5. Kel-Morian Combine, they didn't do anything! All they do is mine! What did they do to deserve an invasion by the Zerg?!?!! :good:

They kind of worked with the UED...

[paragon]

The Kel-Morian Combine bribed whichever Terran faction that was on top to leave them alone. They "worked with" the Confederacy, the Dominion, and the UED. They are like Switzerland except the do mining instead of banking.

Also, the Umojan Protectorate joined the Dominion.