Star Relic

[coalescence]

Starcraft Wikia wrote something about a unit called a 'star relic', thought I doubt its correct information (they say its in the PC gamer article)
Also they mention the Succubus/Succubi we discussed in another topic.

I just think its interesting to show you guys:

"Star Relic: An unit that cloaks all nearby Protoss units and buildings, and is equipped with a powerful Fusion Beam that will slowly cause a target to explode and when the target does explode, it will cause splash damage to surrounding units ... the more powerful the target, the greater the splash damage caused by its explosion."

(From the section 'Units from StarCraft/Brood War not present in StarCraft II'):
"Arbiter: According to reports of a PC Gamer article, the cloaking ability of the Arbiter is with a new unit called a Star Relic"

Article here: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_II

[Gold]

cool, i wonder if this pc gamer exculsive is coming out in england, it better be

[NotDeadYet]

Cloaks buildings? Has a powerful attack? Sounds too overpowered to be true...
But I guess we can't be certain, since we haven't seen most of the new Zerg and Terran features/units

[coalescence]

Sounds overpowered yeah, but I just wanted to share it with you :)

[generalrievous]

sounds rumorish if you ask me :P

[coalescence]

Very clever add to this topic, which is called "Topic: Rumoured new unit: Star Relic"

[Meloku]

Sounds stupid, and would completely ruin the game. Play command and conquer if you want a bunch of cool stuff that is unbalanced.

[zeratul11]

maybe the star relic is the new arbiter.

even buildings can be cloaked? whoa. no it will not be unbalanced, another reason why building science vessels are important and upgrading overlord faster movement speed. i bet terran and zerg will get some new upgraded and stuffs too.

[Oiyzas]

I'm sure that if something like this were introduced, there'd be a viable and relatively painless counter to it... Blizzard hasnt failed us yet, have they?

What gets me is this attack that 'slowly causes the target to explode'. That makes it sound like the attack is a timed auto-kill, instead of a regular attack. Even if it is just a bunch of damage with a 'if-target-dies-splash-damage-happens' effect, how will all that work? Seems too complicated to really be understood.

[Ghost]

Maybe the attack needs to remain in contact with the target for a set time.

[UchihaItachi0129]

the attack kinda sounds like that warp-ray unit ... you know except the splash thingy ... warp-ray right? lol i forget these things >.<

[coalescence]

maybe the star relic is the new arbiter.


Man, you really don't read the whole text, don't you? :P

[zeratul11]

maybe the star relic is the new arbiter.


Man, you really don't read the whole text, don't you? :P


there are no larbiters in starcraft 2 and a new unit called star relic has the ability cloak the same with that of the arbiter. there is no more arbiter, and the star star relic replaced it (making it the new arbiter). wth?

[Dissy]

Whats imba and whats not can NOBODY say!
It seems very more extensive than the old one. We hve to wait till the Z and T units are released. Then, and FIRST then, we can imagine how balanced the game is.

If all the facts of the new units are true, i'm absoluty scared! U need months to control every unit good! an over a year since u can really say: "I'm a PG!"

I dont think the Star Relic is so heavy as u imagine... Its like the arbiter... only with 2 features more :o
But what i ask me... is the relic invisible too? Is the relic invisible under a other relic, that is invisible under the first relic?^^

[coalescence]

there are no larbiters in starcraft 2 and a new unit called star relic has the ability cloak the same with that of the arbiter. there is no more arbiter, and the star star relic replaced it (making it the new arbiter). wth?


You just made my point about the fact that you never properly read what other people say.

BTW:

Confirmed?
http://limitedgaming.com/files/18/scan0046ab4.jpg

[Dissy]

why the hell u have an issue from an month, thats 2 month away?

jeez, i'll call the police!

[FlyingTiger]

Whats imba and whats not can NOBODY say!
It seems very more extensive than the old one. We hve to wait till the Z and T units are released. Then, and FIRST then, we can imagine how balanced the game is.

If all the facts of the new units are true, i'm absoluty scared! U need months to control every unit good! an over a year since u can really say: "I'm a PG!"

I dont think the Star Relic is so heavy as u imagine... Its like the arbiter... only with 2 features more :o
But what i ask me... is the relic invisible too? Is the relic invisible under a other relic, that is invisible under the first relic?^^


i agree. i think it's going to be very similar to the arbiter. the cloaking of building shouldn't be that much of an advantage. you either would spot the relic and target that or just bring a couple of detectors. The attack maybe a bit more powerful but there's always something that'll balance it out.

[FlyingTiger]

why the hell u have an issue from an month, thats 2 month away?

jeez, i'll call the police!


usually most magazines put a date that is a week or two ahead or even a month ahead, but i was surprised that it was an August 2007 issue. hopefully that doesn't indicate that this won't be the only information that would be released until then o_O

[coalescence]

I also thought about the new weapon it has and I'm far from scared.
It will probably have 2 flaws:

1: It will take quite a time before it explodes, and how bigger the unit how longer it takes.
2: Doesn't do damage until it had enough time to let the unit explode

Take that and the fact that it probably will be quite easy to take gives me the idea that it's easy to counter.

@FlyingTiger:

Probably it is, it will take another year before the game comes out and we already know the full unit roster of the protoss (I guess) and a part of zerg and terran unit roster, not to mention all the buildings we already saw. It won't be fun to know everything about game 8 months before it comes out :P

[zeratul11]

You just made my point about the fact that you never properly read what other people say.


wtf? i read them. lol

why am i here writing and posting on your topic?

do you have poor memory, how many times i told you that im not good in english. i read your post but maybe i did not understand it. star relic and arbiter? whats the problem? so dont say something like im not reading posts. you assume to much, i read most of them even from you.

i did not read the link article by the way.
i only read your post.. and it doesn't state that arbiters are gone and that they were already replaced by the star relic. review it. i said maybe the star relic are the new arbiter. whats wrong with that? t.

[NotDeadYet]

From the bottom of the first post:

(From the section 'Units from StarCraft/Brood War not present in StarCraft II'):
"Arbiter: According to reports of a PC Gamer article, the cloaking ability of the Arbiter is with a new unit called a Star Relic"

Article here: http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_II

So you were being redundant.

[coalescence]

So you were being redundant.


Thank you for making my point clear :)

[zeratul11]

i said maybe star relics are the new arbiter (without reading your link post, you did not state that they were being replace.lol). whats wrong with that? answer me please. tell me.
if you think im being unnecessary, anyway after that i said

"even buildings can be cloaked? whoa. no it will not be unbalanced, another reason why building science vessels are important and upgrading overlord faster movement speed. i bet terran and zerg will get some new upgraded and stuffs too." (now its that being unnecessary too, thats just a simple comment. you guys are just too much.
your reply was "Man, you really don't read the whole text, don't you? ( I DID NOT READ THE LINK ARTICLE! and its not included on you text, its linked. lol)


on my second post

"there are no larbiters in starcraft 2 and a new unit called star relic has the ability cloak the same with that of the arbiter. there is no more arbiter, and the star star relic replaced it (making it the new arbiter). wth?' --->>>>>i didn't get you on your first reply, so thats why i posted this from your link site (just read and i found out that there are no more arbiters and star relics may have replaced them. so? wth? its just a misunderstanding!

and your reply to this was "You just made my point about the fact that you never properly read what other people say."

anyway like u usually do , you insult people right away.

[coalescence]

Really awfull jokes are beginning to sprout in my head...

[Oiyzas]

Zeratul, the thing is, when he said that the cloaking ability is now with the star relic, he was stating that the star relic is the replacement for the arbiter. He didnt outright say it, but it was implied. When you said, waaaay later, 'maybe its the new arbiter', you were basically repeating what he just said, which led to this whole misunderstanding.

You see?

[coalescence]

Zeratul, the thing is, when he said that the cloaking ability is now with the star relic, he was stating that the star relic is the replacement for the arbiter. He didnt outright say it, but it was implied. When you said, waaaay later, 'maybe its the new arbiter', you were basically repeating what he just said, which led to this whole misunderstanding.

You see?


Even worse, I copied it directly from the site...

[MyWifeforauir]

My theory is that this is unit would be only used in a P vs T or P vs P and not much in a P v Z. They might if they want the cloaking but there wouldn't be much damage from a exploding ultralisk. There would be more damage from expldoding seige tanks and reavers. My theory depends on an idea that there would be more damage from exploding metallic objects (ie protoss and terran buildings) than from exploding organic material. Also one question i would like to ask so would a exploding command center cause more damage than a exploding supply depot?

[GuiMontag]

but you have to remember that ultras have skin that is like cement lol, also bits of its horns and carapace going everywhere would hurt alot :P

[MyWifeforauir]

hmm gd point but while that may do a lot of damage compared to the rest of the explosions it may be inferior.
But then since the zerg are organic flying bits of carpace may cause havoc?

[[LightMare]]

sounds alot like the warp ray, but i am wrong, judging by that image

[zeratul11]

ok im sorry coz i did not understand it. anyway this guy hates me in the first place.. thats why he's telling that i dont read all the text on a post etc. but thats a lie, and he dont know anything of what im doing. im always online on this forum trying to read (even sometimes i cant really understand) many post as much as possible so that i can improve my english. and he always notice my small mistakes and makes comment about it, worst, its in a bad way. he just hate me cause im annoying. yah i know, your smart and everything but just dont mind me like everyone else.

[Gold]

despite zeratul and coal

i dont think the starrelic replaces the arbiter, it donst have things like matrix (i think that ability has been given to the high templar, and buffed up quite a bit to to things like make walls and things, cool stuff) and the phase prism essencially has recall, so the star relic dosnt directly replace the arbiter, but a combination of units does.Â* maybe that was completley obvious, but i didnt see anyone else writing it down.

o and another thing, if you look at the picture at the bottom of the page, you can see two star relics along with the mothership, so there not that big, they dont even look as big as a tempest. starrelic invokes imagery of a giant supership, i dont think this is that strong though.

how did you get a page in that magazine anyway?

[LoserInLosing]

I think, without powerful support, star relics are completely weak. Maybe it is hard to get star relics *requires alot of buildings* and requires some time and alot of resources to get one. And due to the fact other units replace to role of arbiter, i think it won't return

[Dissy]

geez.. i still cant follow u people... i always forgot the units, their names and what they can do... its annoying!!! t_T
do i hve to study sc before i can talk with you? ><

[wuffle]

Star Relic is new Arbiter. End of Story.

[Oiyzas]

No, Star Relic/High Templar/Phase Prism is new arbiter.

Its three abilities have been modified and handed to three units.

[PrivateJoker]

Yea the Phase Prism warp is ALOT like recall....very good point, its seems obvious now, but your probably right on.

[Oiyzas]

I think someone else said it before me, but thanks for the compliment anyways. :D

[PrivateJoker]

ok im sorry coz i did not understand it. anyway this guy hates me in the first place.. thats why he's telling that i dont read all the text on a post etc. but thats a lie, and he dont know anything of what im doing. im always online on this forum trying to read (even sometimes i cant really understand) many post as much as possible so that i can improve my english. and he always notice my small mistakes and makes comment about it, worst, its in a bad way. he just hate me cause im annoying. yah i know, your smart and everything but just dont mind me like everyone else.


Let me give you a tip, please stop spamming threads with weird complaints and self pitying statements. I don't think people really have a vendetta against you, its all in your head. They are however probably taking away your power points because you make off point, strange, conspiracy theroies about people in the forum hating you. Stop worrying/complaining and think up some interesting stuff to talk about and trust me, your negative points will go away.

[Oiyzas]

Do what I do whenever people start throwing tomatoes and other rotten fruits and veggies:

make a damn salad.

[PrivateJoker]

Do what I do whenever people start throwing tomatoes and other rotten fruits and veggies:

make a damn salad.


Yea, and then you eat the salad, but because its rotten you start hurling like crazy.

[zeratul11]

Let me give you a tip, please stop spamming threads with weird complaints and self pitying statements. I don't think people really have a vendetta against you, its all in your head. They are however probably taking away your power points because you make off point, strange, conspiracy theroies about people in the forum hating you. Stop worrying/complaining and think up some interesting stuff to talk about and trust me, your negative points will go away.


trust me theres only one or two guy whos doing it, and they are worth fighting. this guy needs to learn hes lessons not only me. hes a pushover, and im not someone he can just bully (hey pick someone else, maybe someone whos as smart a** as you). im not spamming, and i am not spamming for the minerals. i gamble a lot. :)

anyway thanks. il keep that in mind and hope this would be my last hate post :powerup:





Do what I do whenever people start throwing tomatoes and other rotten fruits and veggies:

make a damn salad.


ok il try to that.
but wait hes throwing bombs and knives. :powerup:

[PrivateJoker]

Do what I do whenever people start throwing tomatoes and other rotten fruits and veggies:

make a damn salad.




ok il try to that.
but wait hes throwing bombs and knives.


Swallow those instead, and voila! Your problems will be solved in this forum. :)

[Honus]

I'm kind of concerned about the fusion beam attack. If it's a special ability of the star relic, then I'm fine with it. However, if this attack is the default attack of the star relic then it sounds kinda overpowered, especially if it is indeed as "powerful" as described in the article. Having 2 or 3 relics (which probably wouldn't be too hard to get if the game gets that far up the tech tree) focusing on one target would probably have a high chance of killing the target with one of them (especially if the player is half-decent at micro) and cause a chain reaction of kills from exploding units weakening others to the point of being easily killed by the star relics (think necromancer's corpse explosion from D2).

Of course if it winds up not going that way then all my worrying shall be for nought.

[FlyingTiger]

I'm kind of concerned about the fusion beam attack. If it's a special ability of the star relic, then I'm fine with it. However, if this attack is the default attack of the star relic then it sounds kinda overpowered, especially if it is indeed as "powerful" as described in the article. Having 2 or 3 relics (which probably wouldn't be too hard to get if the game gets that far up the tech tree) focusing on one target would probably have a high chance of killing the target with one of them (especially if the player is half-decent at micro) and cause a chain reaction of kills from exploding units weakening others to the point of being easily killed by the star relics (think necromancer's corpse explosion from D2).

Of course if it winds up not going that way then all my worrying shall be for nought.


eh the attack might not be as powerful as you think. maybe the star relic has a long cooldown rate. maybe it takes a long time for that weapon to charge up. maybe the star relic is expensive as hell.

so in conclusion, things will balance out somehow.

and in my opinion it replaces the arbiter since they are both the only protoss air units with its main purpose is its special abilities (spells) and cloaking field.

[PrivateJoker]

On the page 6 scan, you can clearly see that the Star Relic is a flying unit. With the unit/building cloaking abilities, its simple to deduce that the Star Relic IS replacing the Arbiter, as the basic Protoss flying spellcaster.

[Outcaster]

Yep it's true, the only thing i hope to see now are the Dark Templars!!!!!!!!!!!!

[paragon]

I thought this was pretty obvious for a while now.

[FlyingTiger]

yea the article was leaked like last week


Yep it's true, the only thing i hope to see now are the Dark Templars!!!!!!!!!!!!


the dark templar is here too... try reading the article. It's posted on the homepage of this site.

[Itsmyship]

Eh, even before the all this, it seemed somewhat obvious that the Arbiter was being replaced. Phase Prism I was guessing was taking the place of its recall and from the leaked vid, you could see that either the High Templar or the Twilight Archon was taking its place by using Stasis Field. The only iffy part was wether the Star Relic was showing up to take its place as the cloaker, which we can see now is most likely true.

By God I hope we still have Dark Archons though! :good:

[generalrievous]

not likely sounds like tha twilights are the new dark and light archon so to speak :P

[paragon]

Which means they have to be better than both archons combined. Power of the Archon with Spells of the Dark Archon?

[Itsmyship]

Which means they have to be better than both archons combined. Power of the Archon with Spells of the Dark Archon?


Both of them combined?!?! That'd be like Jesus coming back to earth :P

[UchihaItachi0129]

Which means they have to be better than both archons combined. Power of the Archon with Spells of the Dark Archon?


Both of them combined?!?! That'd be like Jesus coming back to earth :P

*cough* offensive *cough* anyways NOOOO MY BEAUTIFUL ARBS T_T

[PrivateJoker]

not likely sounds like tha twilights are the new dark and light archon so to speak :P


I was surprised to read something to the effect that the Twilight Archons are the "regular" Archons. They could however have accidentally mis-reported it.

[PrivateJoker]

Eh, even before the all this, it seemed somewhat obvious that the Arbiter was being replaced. Phase Prism I was guessing was taking the place of its recall and from the leaked vid, you could see that either the High Templar or the Twilight Archon was taking its place by using Stasis Field. The only iffy part was wether the Star Relic was showing up to take its place as the cloaker, which we can see now is most likely true.

By God I hope we still have Dark Archons though! :good:


Pretty obvious, hence "the final nail in the coffin". I mean it was easy to speculate that their was no more arbiters, but once you know the Star Relic is flying, spell casting, cloaking protoss ship...well it just speaks for itself.

[SuperMarioPsycho]

dont say the nail in the coffin, i dont like the arbiter being dead. :upset:

[PrivateJoker]

dont say the nail in the coffin, i dont like the arbiter being dead. :upset:


Not to bright, are you?

[Delolith]

The High templar have two abilities (according to the scans)

Psi Storm, and some new ability that works like Stasis from the Arbiter, but also can be used to block things (like a wall)
Im gona miss hallucination. :(

[coalescence]

Pretty obvious, hence "the final nail in the coffin". I mean it was easy to speculate that their was no more arbiters, but once you know the Star Relic is flying, spell casting, cloaking protoss ship...well it just speaks for itself.


95% of the people here already figured that out. The fact that you spam this forum with topics filled with obvious stuff or thing already discussed is starting to annoy me. You could have used the arbiter topic or the star relic topic (which was all about it replacing the arbiter) for this.... *cough* 'revelation'. You arent really new to the forum too, so you should have known that.



dont say the nail in the coffin, i dont like the arbiter being dead. :upset:


Not to bright, are you?


Quite the hypocrite eh?

[PowerkickasS]

im gonna miss killing workers with arbiters? 0.0

[Major Willy]

Arbiters have crap damage.
:>

[PowerkickasS]

orly

[paragon]

10 explosive damage with a cooldown of 45. Yes, they really have crap damage.

[PowerkickasS]

narly (hey that's 1 letter away from nal_ra ^.^)

[Major Willy]

Arbiters had some beautiful moments though.

Especially when they recalled a bunch of Archons into a base.

[PrivateJoker]

A well timed stasis can win a game. I don't understand why Blizzard gave the Arbiter an attack at all. All the other flying spell casters have no attack, and the Arbiter's is useless...only good for luring the Arbiter into a nest Turrets.

[LoserInLosing]

Do the Star Relics have statis??? Recall will be replaced by phase prisms, thats all i know

[paragon]

Probably did it for one of those weird "balance" things you keep hearing about.

And I don't remember anyone ever officially saying that recall was out.

[PowerkickasS]

only good for luring the Arbiter into a nest Turrets.

maybe you just answered your own question :D

[paragon]

I'm betting that stasis is replaced by the high templar shield/blocking thing. But its just as possible that stasis is still in and is a star relic ability.

[PrivateJoker]

Do the Star Relics have statis??? Recall will be replaced by phase prisms, thats all i know
The warp ability of the WarpGates are going to be far slower, and my vulnerable than Recall, which does not expose vulnerability ot the units.

[PrivateJoker]

I'm betting that stasis is replaced by the high templar shield/blocking thing. But its just as possible that stasis is still in and is a star relic ability.


The High Templar blocking ability sounds alot more like a version of "D-Web" which the now defunct Corsairs will no longer use. The only difference being that it also prevents units from moving.

[paragon]

The High Templar blocking ability sounds alot more like a version of "D-Web" which the now defunct Corsairs will no longer use. The only difference being that it also prevents units from moving.

Good point. This makes stasis even more viable to still be in the game in one form or another.

[PowerkickasS]

what difference? can units inside the crystalizing blockade take damage?

[paragon]

It may be a cross between stasis and disruption web in which case they wouldn't take damage. However, it looked like the ones in the movie were still being attacked.