Old vs. New

[Pix]

Okay, there's quite a lot of confusion over this "Same number of units in 1 as 2" thing, so I decided to make a list of the units in each so we can make a comparison. I'll do the Protoss first and as more information is released I'll add the Terran and Zerg to the mix. I'll also be using the existing sticky of "List of Confirmed Units" as a base, if that's alright.

Starcraft & Starcraft : Brood Wars

Protoss Units:
Source - http://www.battle.net/scc/protoss/units/

Ground Units:
Zealot
Dragoon
High Templar
Dark Templar

Robotic Units:
Probe
Shuttle
Reaver
Observer

Aerial Units:
Scout
Corsair
Arbiter
Carrier

Psionic Entities:
Archon
Dark Archon

Total Units:
Ground Units : 4
Robotic Units : 4
Aerial Units : 4
Psionic Entities : 2
Total Units : 14

[u]Starcraft II

Protoss Units:
Source - http://www.starcraft2forum.org/forums/index.php?topic=255.0

Ground Units:
Zealot
Immortal
Stalker
High Templar
Soul Hunter

Robotic Units:
Probe
Reaver
Observer
Collossus

Aerial Units:
Phase Prism
Warp Ray
Tempest
Phoenix
Mothership

Psionic Entities:
Twilight Archon

Total Units:
Ground Units : 5
Robotic Units : 4
Aerial Units : 5
Psionic Entities : 1
Total Units : 15

So, are there any I have missed? All help would be appreciated :)

~Pix~

[sordid]

You forgot the Colossus :D

[T-man]

And the Dark Templar. We are getting a bunch of units here... :-\

[NotDeadYet]

Also, it's called the Soul HUNTER. Though Soul Seeker sounds pretty cool...

You also did not add the rumoured new aerial unit - The Star Relic. You may want to add "(Rumored)" or something like that after its name, just so we know that it hasn't been seen in any videos.

Also, the Mothership probably does not count as a new unit. Blizzard has stated that the Zerg and Terrans will not be getting "ultimate units" like the mothership. This means that whatever ability they get will not replace an existing unit. So, if the Mothership does replace a unit, the Zerg and Terrans will have just as many unit types as the Protoss as well as their own special abilities - Which is unbalanced.

Buildings (SC 1):
Nexus
Assimilator
Pylon
Gateway
Forge
Cybernetics Core
Photon Cannon
Shield Battery
Robotics Facility
Observatory
Robotics Support Bay
Stargate
Fleet Beacon
Arbiter Tribunal
Citadel of Adun
Templar Archives
Total buildings: 16

Buildings (SC 2):
Nexus
Assimilator
Pylon
Gateway / Warp Gate
Forge
Stargate
Photon Cannon / Phase Cannon
In addition, there are 3 unidentified Protoss structures shown in the demo video.
Total buildings: 10, plus the Warp Gate and Phase Cannon upgrades

[overmind]

Dark templar: Just like in the first game the dark templar is a stealth unit that wreaks havoc to any force foolish enough to leave home without a detector. any new special abilities have yet to be revealed (more) (less)
theres another topic on that

[GuiMontag]

you missed collossus, dark templar, star relic

heres images of pc gamer coverage

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8986/scan0047ub8.jpg
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/6779/scan0046ab4.jpg

[Nikzad]

I was just thinking about how before these new units came out and boosted the unit count, we were all assuming that the races had the same amount of units as SC1. I believe that someone said that the makers of the game said this, which would verify its validity.

Maybe we misinterpreted what the makers said...ie maybe they said "Each race will have the same number of units." - We took this to mean the same number of units as SC1, but maybe they meant that each race will have the same number of units as each of the other races.

Mods might want to move this into each of the " What replaces the *blank*?" topics if what I'm saying makes sense

[Pix]

I'm not going to add the Dark Templar or Star Relic, because they aren't confirmed. Thanks for the Collossus tip-off, though.
Mods might want to move this into each of the " What replaces the *blank*?" topics if what I'm saying makes sense
Uhh, can you explain that a little more dude?

~Pix~

[coalescence]

I was just thinking about how before these new units came out and boosted the unit count, we were all assuming that the races had the same amount of units as SC1. I believe that someone said that the makers of the game said this, which would verify its validity.


No no no, it annoyed me too that everyone was asuming that because I have read it and it sayd: Roughly the same numbers. In Blizzard language thats: We will add a few new units but don't expect a ****load of them.

[Nikzad]

@ Coalescence - ahhh i see

@ pix - I meant that if what I said held true (that when they said "same number," it meant between races, not between SC1 and SC2) that they might want to put my post into the topics like "what does the colossus replace?" and so on and so forth to keep people from posting on irrelevant topics, even though they are probably dead by now

[LoserInLosing]

Its not tottally comfirmed dark temps are on etc. And if the variety of troops is larger, so are the others.

[xasterothx]

how is the star relic not confirmed??...its in a screenshot...i dont know about the DT thought because its only picture is blurred.

[Darkener]

how is the star relic not confirmed??...its in a screenshot...i dont know about the DT thought because its only picture is blurred.

A picture can't confirm anything. A video can, with real gaming mechanics and stuff. A picture can be made by, well anyone!

[paragon]

It's in official screenshots though so it's as good as confirmed.
By the way, I found this picture of the Citadel of Adun, that confirms it's in the game.

[PrivateJoker]

I'm not going to add the Dark Templar or Star Relic, because they aren't confirmed. Thanks for the Collossus tip-off, though.
Mods might want to move this into each of the " What replaces the *blank*?" topics if what I'm saying makes sense
Uhh, can you explain that a little more dude?

~Pix~


The Star Relic unit IS confirmed by a major publication, and it is an aerial unit, much like the Arbiter. (Consider the Star Relic a second generation Arbiter!)

[Nikzad]

omg citadel of adun...what a waste of base space; I mean i loved leg enhancements, but citadel was such a pain in the ass

[coalescence]

I think the only reason it existed was to keep people from teching up to templars too fast, and the leg enhancement is only to give it a purpose other than the stalling.

[Nikzad]

very true

it got so annoying though when it got late game and I'd cycle through my cluster of citadel/cy core/fleet beacon. etc looking for upgrades I hadn't researched and every time there was freaking nothing to do in the citadel of adun except listen to that gay sound whenever you clicked on it

*EDIT: I accidentally highlighted then moved a block of text into the middle of another sentence*

[coalescence]

True to that, they could have given it more purpose.

[paragon]

Only thing they could really do with it is add more upgrades.

[ironicus]

The only reason that buildings such as the citadel are important are for balance reasons. Due to escalated cost of buildings and units you could decide to choose advanced units with more potential and have very few numbers or alteratively have a large number of basic ground troops to start. For example the dreaded zerglings. If you could build templars from the very beginning, there really wouldn't be a need for Zelots over Dark templars.

[[LightMare]]

no more citadel of adun :thumbup:

[Ghost]

Yea, i think its been replaced by Protoss War Shine

[paragon]

For everyone complaining about how the citadel just takes up space... just blow it up after you get the upgrade and templar archives...

[Tankman131]

li forgot, does the citadel of adun required for any other units?