Windows or Mac

[Fo®Saken]

This might be the biggest and longest computer discussion ever. It has been going on for ages now, and we all might say Windows has won with the general public, but has it really won altogether?

Which one is better? Mac or Windows?
Let's have a look at their websites, ups, & downs and see if we can get the discussion going on these forums to.

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Mac:

Ups:
- It's user friendly and has fewer bugs than windows.
Downs:
- Almost no gaming support.
- Expensive.

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Windows:

Ups:
- Almost all games can be played.
- Lots of available and affordable software.
Downs:
- A number of bugs and errors.
- Insufficeint backwards compatibility.

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Personally, I would go for the Mac operating system, if I wouldn't be playing games all the time. It's just a wwmuch better operating system, why won't more people see that?

What do you guys think?
:gossip::gossip:

[MarineCorp]

I would go for Windows, for a cheaper person like me i'm also a game freak and would certainly go for Windows, if i have a laptop i would stay away from Vista so lets hope that vista will be sorted out.

the reason i didn't go for Mac was simply because that there are games are not in Mac for instance Crysis, i was really hoping this would come out for Mac however disappointingly it didn't :( and if i was a millionaire or a rich person i would buy this.

[Hunter]

I stay at windows, while Mac only runs on certain computers.. Actually both of the operating systems are expensive.
Ehh about bugs, windows is worse, but I use XP sp2 so I don't face as much problems as Vista users do. Sp 3 is coming out next year, I hope they will fix other errors too. (or make other ones.....)

[Fo®Saken]

Yeah, but SP3 might be scrapped, since they want to cut the support for Windows XP altogether in something like March... But Mac has a really good costumer support service.. A friend of mine uses a Mac for his work and school every day. (designer of all sorts of stuff and video editing) When his Apple crashed, they had it up and running for him at the end of the day again.

When I had one of those blue screen fatal error style things going on a couple of weeks ago, the help desk people kept saying that my "electricity cables weren't properly connected".@#$@% those people...

But you guys are true about the games being a good reason. But what if you had the possibility to play those games on Mac? What would you choose then?

[LordKerwyn]

Talk about a biased openeing post. I cant comment so much on vista but as for XP I have not seen very many errors at all. So saying there is many, many errors is a lie. Secondly I am not exactly sure sure what your refering to with the backwards compatibility, but assuming your refering to ancient software, I have never had a problem playing old software with XP.

As for mac here is what I will say for it, it is simpler (but that doesn't mean better), having only 1 button a mouse was a brilliant idea right? (Even I am sure there is some work arounds) Also saying macs are almost bug free is a lie, its close but I wouldn't use the word almost just yet.

Finally since you are the one that brought up websites the windows one tooks beter, so I am not sure what point you were trying to prove with that.

Using your own formatting here is how I would set it up.

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Mac:
operating system page (http://www.apple.com/macosx/)

Ups:
- It's user friendly and has fewer bugs than windows.
Downs:
- Almost no gaming support.
- Expensive.

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Windows:
operating system page (http://www.microsoft.com/uk/windows/products/windowsvista/default.mspx)

Ups:
- Almost all games can be played.
- Lots of available and affordable software.
Downs:
- A number of bugs and errors.
- Insufficeint backwards compatibility.

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I removed the looks part of the mac because looks are always in the eye of the beholder and not something that can really be quantified.

[Fo®Saken]

Yes mister LordKerwyn global mod sir... ;)
But I guess you are right, I edited my first post already. You can delete your stuff if you want, so people don't get confused.

But I just hate the fact, that with every minor change I make to my system, there always seems to be some problem with it. Okay, I admit a sometimes make some pretty extreme changes to the registry and all that, but I would call myself quite skilled at those things. I never had problems with a Mac operated system when changing big things.

And about the looks, that's the main reason Apple still exists today. It was the reason they got any sponsors to finance their project when they first started of. I don't think it should be let out of the discussion. And with the looks, I'm also referring to the look of the interface the operating system has, not only to the outer case of the computer itself.

[LordKerwyn]

Wow I didnt mean it like that. Me being a global mod or even in the Hyperion has nothing to do with my post. I just found your list somewhat biased expecially when aded shortly there after with your opinion. You can make your posts however you want Ill just call you out on something I dissagree with just like I have always done on this forum.

As for your second point I have tried to make major changes to my registery or make major changes on a macs operating system because I have never found a need. So I really cant comment on your situation.

On the whole seperate topic of Vista I would say give it the benefit of the doupt, just like you would Lepoard, to be honest while I havn't worked with either that much Lepoard has given me more grief than Vista.

EDIT: As to your looks comment I wont argue whether or not looks are helpful to macs because they are, but I would say it shouldnt be wheighted as much because looks are completely determined by the opinion of the viewer.

[Fo®Saken]

Ah, you meant it like that. Oh well, I will just leave it this way, it's more of a neutral view on the whole subject. But I haven't worked a lot with Vista yet, because I don't want to buy myself a whole new set of printers etc.

That's one of the things I meant with Windows having a bad reputation when it comes to support old stuff. Having to make new drivers and stuff like that for their hardware every time Microsoft decides to update something must really piss off hardware producers And it annoys me to, because I have to download those drivers all the time.

I don't really know if this is a big problem with Mac operated systems, because I have little experience with printers and such that can be used with a Mac. Do you know how that works with a Mac? It would be a really big plus on the Mac side if it was less complicated there.

[-LT-]

Where's the poll?

[L89]

I really want a Mac laptop. It won't be for gaming...eh...it's for the other stuff ;)

Like school work lol.

So I don't mind about the gaming requirement. Plus, the layout of Macs and their aesthetics are so awesone. I reckon windows (again) tried to copy Mac (with vista) but so far have failed miserably.

The only thing that prevents me from GETTING an actual Mac is the ridculously high pricing.

[-LT-]

Now it's better. Windows all the way!

[Fo®Saken]

It seems to be getting all of the votes until now, but Mac just rules the sh*t out of windows of you look at everything except for games...

[longlivefenix]

but then again thats every thing but games
and this is basically a gaming community

[Fo®Saken]

You got m with that one.

*runs away from the discussion to write an angry letter to Mac for not supporting gaming*

[Hunter]

Forsaken do you use Mac?
And if I am right, SC2 will support both platforms.

[BirdofPrey]

You got m with that one.

*runs away from the discussion to write an angry letter to Mac for not supporting gaming*
That's not apple's fault.  Its the fault of game developers for not making games that run on MAC OS

[karlo]

oh my gosh! im the only one who votes for mac,im using mac now.

EDIT:5 now are voting for mac.

[EonMaster]

I never used mac only windows. I rarely encounter problems, so I don't see how people can complain about the massive errors windows is so crowded with. All you need to do is update your virus protection every once in a while to keep your computer bug free.

[karlo]

in the philippines there are now tapes that can be played on mac.

[Rex]

Rofl! 1 vote for Mac :D Has anyone seen their commercials? It's quite stupid/funny.

[JBL]

I would say that the biggest Up that mac can get is that 95% of people who creates stuff for others are mac users and 95% of people who uses other people's stuff do it on PC..

I would kill myself if the SC2 sprites weren't made on a mac.

I think mac is overatedÂ*... and soon we will be able to use OS X on PC.. good bye the 3k$ PC with like 100GB HDD and 1GB RAM ... and welcome to the PC with dual (or triple) boot!

[Fo®Saken]

I used to use a Mac for almost everything, but when I got a little more serious with gaming, I decided to buy me a Windows operated system. Now I can't afford to buy myself a nice new Mac anymore, but if you are right about the dual-support, I will consider to save up some money for a Mac. Starcraft 2 will be the only game I will be playing for a long time when it comes out anyway. And Warcraft is dual supported to. ;D

[Ursawarrior]

the only thing i hate about windows is that its prone to almost any kind of virus and once infected, its really hard to remove them, even with the right tool
but i love my games, so ill sick to windows

[karlo]

the only thing i hate about windows is that its prone to almost any kind of virus and once infected, its really hard to remove them, even with the right tool
but i love my games, so ill sick to windows




you mean the virus is as sticky as a frog,lol.
[this is the first qoute i ever made].

[EonMaster]

[this is the first qoute i ever made].
You are the first person I've seen to say that, lol. I think PC is better, despite those Mac v. PC commercials. I've never used a Mac, but as long as my PC has what I need, I see no reason to swap computers.

Sure there are virus problems, but with updating protection, the chances of catching a virus is minimal. I haven't had any issues with malware, viruses, or hackers, so I don't see what the major problem/issue is.

[Fenix]

I love both of them. The each have their faults, yeah, but their pluses are nice.

Like Macs. You don't know what you're missing if you've never used Maya or PhotoShop on a Mac. It epically pwns the Windows version.....However. God DAMN that one button mouse....XP

Windows, it's like the tank. XP is possibly one of the most solid operating systems I've ever used. I've only seen the BSoD on my XP desktop ONCE int he however long I've used it. And the gaming support is nice. However, Vista sucks huge hairy hairlipped monkey balls.

'Nuff sed.

[EonMaster]

Unfortunately, my computer doesn't have photoshop on it. Otherwise, I would work on graphical work with it, and enter the forum sig competitions.

Where would I be able to download it, and what cost?

[Fenix]

Legally....You'd have to buy the discs, runs about 600$ retail, or about 70$ (Yeah, 70) for the student price.

Illegally, I'd recommend a torrent site if we were allowed to, but we're not, so I won't.

[EonMaster]

ok, I though it was a downloadable program, but I guess I'll have to put photoshop on hold. I don't have $70 to spend on a single program.

I worked with it in high school, so I know its a powerful program, but I can't afford it at the moment. :(

[Fenix]

Yeah, student packages are hella nice. I picked up my Office for like 20USD, when normally it's that plus 100

[EonMaster]

hmm...maybe I could check the university's store and see if I can find it there for a good deal. Since it is an engineering university, I would be surprised to not see it there.

The store sells a lot of computer equipment, but I've never looked to see what programming they sold there.

[BirdofPrey]

Try the GIMP

[JBL]

Can someone tell me apple's problem with their 80GB and 120GB HDD on their laptops?

cmon.. the price difference between a 160GB and 250GB HDD on the internet is about 5$ and every PC out there offer at least 250GB and I even saw 500GB and 640 (2x 320GB) and 1TB (2x 500GB) for similar prices

Why can't apple offer good stuff on their computers?

What do you guys think will happen once Mac OS X (or whatever new version it will be) will be available on PC?

PS. when is it going to happen?

[PainKiller]

I use Mac for gaming and working. I find the mac allot more comfortable to use then Windows



Like Macs. You don't know what you're missing if you've never used Maya or PhotoShop on a Mac. It epically pwns the Windows version.....However. God DAMN that one button mouse....XP

You know that you can buy a two button mouse for mac very cheap, right? ;)

[Alasdair]

Lol, when my brother first used a Mac, he said to me, Macs are really easy to use, if you've never used a computer before, Macs are great to start with, but one thing confused me... THERES NO RIGHT CLICK!

EDIT: I think you should get a Windows, one of the main things I have a problem with for Macs is that you can't really customize them, in the sense of upgrading their parts (I'm sure there is a way that I haven't learned, but you can't just open it up and swap your video card for a better one or something like that

also, I really like the moniter and tower set up, when im using a Mac that isn't a laptop it just doesnt feel complete because theres no tower....

[-LT-]

What tower?

[JBL]

lol @ people who thinks mac mouse has 1 button.

[Fenix]

....T_T

I've only used the one button?

[SuccaMC]

I actually have a Mac and a PC, but as far as video games go, PC fo life.

[JBL]

....T_T

I've only used the one button?


unless the mac you used is over 9 000 years old, the mouse probably had 2 buttons.. you gotta set it in the preferences..

[PainKiller]

If you push the "apple" button and click than it will work as a Right click, and you can also buy a mouse with 2 buttons for mac..! :)

[BirdofPrey]

What tower?
The computer box.

When it is vertical it is calloed a tower box

[karlo]

HOLD CTRL then click then bingo! its like right click.

[BirdofPrey]

Peoples desire for using a keyboard for general navigation died with DOS

[11-Sodium]

I like Apple computers.

My friend just decided he would get a dual boot Apple computer for several reasons:
-If Windows is screwed over by viruses, he will still have a functional operating system
-OS X comes preinstalled with a full complement of professional developer tools (and Java 6 is available now, too!)
-The warranty, combined with AppleCare, will cover any problems with his computer, free, for at least two years.
-Hardware. He can order a custom box online, and it is cheaper than the same specs on a PC. Oh, the hardware is also much more durable and resistant to damage.
He has been completely opposed to Apple until recently.

Basically, the only reasons you could possibly have for using Windows are games and cost. Those reasons often exclude each other, as games can really run up the bills... and as far as price goes, you get what you pay for.

[Rex]

Hey is it possible to have an Apple Program Mixed with Microsoft? My Cousin changed his computer into an Apple, but when you first turn it on it says Windows XP, and the User Login also has the word Windows. When you login its like an Apple computer with big icon, Safari, and etc. How is that possible? Is it consider as a mix?

Also I'm a Windows User. Question: What is Linux?

[11-Sodium]

I know Apple has released iTunes, Quicktime, Safari, and many other applications on Windows, so he may just have those programs installed. There are ways to partition the disc to allow for a Windows OS and a Mac OS to run separately, but what I suspect is that your cousin has a mod for Windows to make it look like Mac OS. I could be very wrong, but that is my suspicion.

Linux is a free open source OS that has gained a decent following recently. Linux and Mac OS X are both UNIX-based operating systems, and so they are similar in many ways, particularly in the command line. I have noticed that some distributions of Linux make an attempt to emulate the look and feel of Windows.

[Joneagle_X]

Peoples desire for using a keyboard for general navigation died with DOS


ROFLMAO ;) Nice.

Also, I'm seeing a lot of misconceptions and just plain wrong ideas about the differences between the operating systems. I think a lot of people hear about the controversy between Macs and PCs and want to join in, so they find random reasons why their own platform is best.

Macs:

1. Less common, therefore, less prone to common viruses. Let's face it, if a hacker can choose between a user base of millions (PCs) and a user base in the hundreds of thousands (Mac), he will choose the PCs hands down, and its extremely difficult to code for both systems.

2. More user-friendly. Because it's what experienced users call "dumbed-down" the Mac is easy to use. It has relatively little that you need to work on to get it to its optimal stage. Don't need to install thousands of strange drivers, etc. But this can work against you in customization.

3. Hardware. Contrary to popular belief, the Hardware on Macs is almost identical to those on PCs. So what Sodium said is... well... wrong. They're no more durable than what you would find in a PC because they're made by the same manufacturers. Heck, even the processors are now similar to what you would find in a PC since Apple switched over to Intel chips.

So, to answer JBL's earlier question, the newer version of OS X is going to be cracked, and relatively easily. Since they've now switched to Intel chips, the BIOS of the processors between a PC machine and a Mac are going to be much more similar if not exactly the same. For a long time people have wanted to crack OS X and put it on a Windows machine. That's happening now and will forever drop this "OS barrier." The gap between PCs and Macs is closing steadily, and I think you'll see the loss of the stereotypes along with it. :D

PCs:
1. Slightly more customizable and utilitarian than the Macs. The biggest kicker is that only a relatively small percentage (but admittedly some of the best) software is coded for both platforms, and the remainder is coded only for Windows based OSs. Games make up the largest part of this software, which accounts for all the users who want to play games having only PCs. It's basically a conspiracy.

2. Along with gaming comes the need for obsolete video cards and graphics engines. You really don't need a video card, the gaming companies just like you to buy them. It also makes Nvidia and ATI happy in the pants, so they continue the trend. Why don't you need them? You have this handy dandy thing already attached to your processor called a chipset. It does everything your video card does for you, but it utilizes your processor's resources. So while it's more efficient, it does take up valuable system resources (but is it worth paying $500 for a video card when you should already have that capability?).

3. PCs are extremely vulnerable to user-introduced malicious codes like viruses and trojans. The major reason for this is that the vast majority of this malicious code is written solely for Windows based OSs and does nothing to Mac users. This is the basis of the Mac superiority in the malicious code department. :D If you're aware of yourself and don't introduce this malicious code to your computer, as you shouldn't, then you'll never have a problem.

4. PCs are incredibly cheap compared to Macs. You can achieve the same performance on a PC for about 1/2-3/4 the price of a Mac, plain and simple, and it's much easier to pirate software. :D


EDIT: Another issue that Sodium reminded me of is the coding basis. With the new BIOS systems, I'm told that the new Mac OS is going to be UNIX based as well, so it might have some superior features that bring the positives from Linux into play.

Linux is a totally separate OS and while I consider it to be absolutely superior to Windows and OS X in every way because of its perfection in open-source coding and its progressive nature (each day is better than the last) it won't ever truly be successful until major software providers recognize it as the platform it deserves to be, which won't happen while Windows controls the gaming market and Apple controls artistic license. :D

[Rex]

I heard that really old windows (95, or 98, etc.) are harder to be infected by viruses, since they are so old. Is it true?

@11-Sodium He said he added a part in the computer.

[11-Sodium]

@Joneagle_X: I based some of those comments on my friend's research, so I can't actually back it up. My mistake.
Though, how many PC laptops come with adapters designed to unplug if yanked hard enough, to keep the laptop from falling?
How many have accelerometers designed to protect the discs in case of a fall?
I don't know, and so I ask.

@Rex: I am sorry, but I still can't say for sure what it is without seeing it for myself.

[LxMike]

Windows, because of Tablet PC, oh and on Mac, everything must be Legally purchased

[DarkTemplol]

Windows. Mac could be better, and i still wouldn't buy. I just hate Apple with my very soul.

[Joneagle_X]

That's just a laptop feature that the cord comes out when yanked. There are off-brands that do that as well...

And the hard disk protection is standard in any Western Digital harddrive. :D

[SuccaMC]

Windows, because of Tablet PC, oh and on Mac, everything must be Legally purchased
?????
who told you that?

You can pirate anything you can run.

lol.

[karlo]

Hey is it possible to have an Apple Program Mixed with Microsoft? My Cousin changed his computer into an Apple, but when you first turn it on it says Windows XP, and the User Login also has the word Windows. When you login its like an Apple computer with big icon, Safari, and etc. How is that possible? Is it consider as a mix?





yes that is possible,it works on our mac laptop. :D .i think windows and mac are associated.:D

[LxMike]

?????
who told you that?

You can pirate anything you can run.

lol.


well I can't imagine a Hacker use a mac, that just doesn't fit a geek profile

[JBL]

Linux is a totally separate OS and while I consider it to be absolutely superior to Windows and OS X in every way because of its perfection in open-source coding and its progressive nature (each day is better than the last) it won't ever truly be successful until major software providers recognize it as the platform it deserves to be, which won't happen while Windows controls the gaming market and Apple controls artistic license. :D


That explains exactly why I'm not using it right now.. great explanation..

anyway.. I'm planning to triple boot my next computer ;)

[Rex]

Hey JBL Whats a triple boot anyways. I don't know much about computers.

@Karlo Mac and Windows associated? I don't think so man.

Message to Jon: I FIXED MY COMPUTER :D Thanks for your help and time anyways Jon Sorry. I was fooling around and I just saw repair my Computer, so I pressed Repair Window's Image. And Thats it I'm done :D Thanks for your time Jon.

[JBL]

a computer is dual booted when you divide your harddrive (you could also use 2 different harddrives) into 2 parts and install 2 different operating systems on each part (or on each of the harddrives) most of the time it refers to either windows and linux, or windows and OS X

triple boot would be the same but with 3 operating systems

[Fo®Saken]

Triple boot. XD That's just to much...


Peoples desire for using a keyboard for general navigation died with DOS
Of course not. Using a mouse is way to time consuming. If you learn how to use most of the windows hot-keys (not only ctrl+c etc.) you can do everything on you (windows operated) pc at least twice as fast. I'm only using my mouse for gaming and navigating on the internet at the moment...


4. PCs are incredibly cheap compared to Macs. You can achieve the same performance on a PC for about 1/2-3/4 the price of a Mac, plain and simple, and it's much easier to pirate software. :D
But a Mac comes with an OS version, when you buy a regular pc, you still have to buy windows in most cases...

[BirdofPrey]

Hey somone who finally understands.

Yes thats how they get ya. On the software. Of course if you can always try going with Linux though not everything runs on WINE

[MarineCorp]

Windows are cheaper and those virus are able to handle right now, we are all use to the viruses

[Joneagle_X]

But a Mac comes with an OS version, when you buy a regular pc, you still have to buy windows in most cases...


When have you ever had to buy the OS separately? It's the same with Mac and Windows. It comes with the current version of windows for free (unless you're buying refurbished or something) along with an install disk. You then have to purchase any upgrades from then on.

But the happy story is that all Dell and HP install disks will work on any Dell or HP. And there's also piracy to be considered.

That goes for all software.

[BirdofPrey]

I think hes talking about a home built system

Also if you buy a premade system getting an OS other than three basic version generally costs extra

[33-Arsenic]

After much intensive research (meaning I went to a bunch of websites and crafted computer together that matched the 20" iMac with a 2.4Ghz processor) it turns out that Macs are cheaper than their PC equivalents. Of course building it yourself is always cheaper.

[Fo®Saken]

I think hes talking about a home built systemYou are right. ;)

Also if you buy a premade system getting an OS other than three basic version generally costs extra.That is also true. I really want to have windows vista ultimate when I buy a new pc, but you have to pay extra for that. That's why I am making a home build system. That's cheaper, and I can have Vista Ultimate with it.

@Arsenic, Can you show us the specs on that, or links to those websites? I find it hard to believe that with two equal computers, the Mac version turns out to be the cheapest...

Edited out unnecessary quotes. Please don't quote the post directly above your own.
I'm sorry...

[Joneagle_X]

Lol I would also love to see those prices... I don't believe you one bit.

I've done that comparison hundreds of times. Macs always come out about $200 more expensive than almost the exact model from a PC manufacturer.

[33-Arsenic]

Sorry for not responding for a while, I...kinda forgot about these forums. Anyway, for Apple, my total came to 1534.00 (stock 20" model w/ 2 gigs of RAM with the student discount. Sorry if that's not a fair thing to do, but HP, Gateway, etc. all provide "instant rebates." So any discount is fair game. Oh yeah, and Apple, to my knowledge, is the only computer manufacturer that provides discounts to students.)

Unfortunately, since PC manufacturers prices change all the time, my previous example is now void. For HP the total comes to 1436.99 as the cheapest equivalent while Dell is 1819.99 (their monitors are expensive.) Gateway doesn't provide enough customization, and Sony just flat out overcharges.

So HP wins currently, but once their "Get a free 20" monitor sale" is over their cost should be higher than Apple.

*I didn't post actual links because the URL doesn't directly link to the finished product.

[EonMaster]

After seeing this hilarious video, I don't think I'll ever use a Mac. You got to love how he has a straight face the entire video, I couldn't stop from laughing when I saw this. Enjoy ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVwbhsqEyNI&feature=related

[Fo®Saken]

I can't see that video. It just says: "video not loaded..."

@Arsenic
We are not talking about free stuff here. It must be a real system, not some kind of action. You have to use standard prices if you want to make a decent comparison. And you still didn't include any real specs of those systems. Just a few random numbers, that's what you gave us... I hope that if you come back to these forums someday and you read this, you will give us a proper response.

[wraith_q]

I haven't used the Mac OS in over a decade so I can't comment on that, but Vista really sucks. I'd rather run SC on Linux with Wine, at least it's consistent and stable.

[Fo®Saken]

Maybe some reasons for it sucking so bad? We are trying having a decent discussion here.

On these forums you are expected to make decent posts, this is a bit spammy.
You should read the forum rules (http://www.starcraft2forum.org/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=47&topic=107.0) before posting. People could give you penalties for this, you know...

[Lobsterlegs]

Although Mac has less viruses, better OS's.. etc. it's nothing compared to a pimped out gaming PC..
If you dont need gaming and want something easy and basic, go for mac..

[don_bocci]

Mac has less viruses because no one bothers to put them on there, hackers figure that the Mac users suffer enough :P

Besides the new lepard system upgrade that they have for the Macbooks can't even run SC and that right there is a sin to all computer gaming.

[Fo®Saken]

Just wait for a new patch. I am pretty sure they will fix that in a while.

[don_bocci]

I don't use thank heavens, but I have friends who had to emulate windows to try and play SC but the mac still blocked him from it, seriously messed. It won't let you play worms either.

[BirdofPrey]

Lepord has issues.

[DontHate]

For my new rig i got windows vista home premium 64 bit for around 110 bucks. It's fine so far, and unlike what lots of people are saying it's compatable with everything i have. However, that's just me.

[Fo®Saken]

Lepord has issues.
Every new operating system has its issues. There are, of course, problems that might not be solved right away. However, most of them are quickly patched. Most of the time even faster then microsoft fixes stuff.

[fasterthanyou2]

For my new rig i got windows vista home premium 64 bit for around 110 bucks. It's fine so far, and unlike what lots of people are saying it's compatable with everything i have. However, that's just me.


same here, i just got a brand new quad-core rig with vista 64 bit, and contrary to popular opinion, i LOVE vista. i havnt had any problems and its a lot more convinient than XP. I absolutely despise Macs though.

[[LightMare]]

i am a mac freak, and i got practically banished from the madnesscombat.net community for arguing against the assholes who just say PC pwns, Mac blows.
they are both excellent computers, for different purposes. mac is for everything except gaming. the people at microsoft don't even use their software. they use keynote, not powerpoint, and that made me feel proud on the inside. i don't want to get into some stupid argument with all the pc die-hard fans. but i personally prefer mac, because i have both operating systems on my computer, thanks to parallels.

[furrer]

As you said a mac computer is great, its just not good when we are talking gaming :D
Another thing, the price... Normally they cost a bit dont they?

[[LightMare]]

i can't but agree for the price. they are costy, but still so many people have them, so it's not THAT big a deal.

[Joneagle_X]

About 2% of users have a Mac. Not an astounding majority by any means. :D

[marcusrodrigues]

It isn't about the computer, it is about the OS :-)


BTW, I don't have any issues with Leopard and Gaming, and SC 1 has NATIVE Mac OS X Version. No need to emulate anything....

[Joneagle_X]

Well, actually Marcus, I was citing stats that I've experienced on a number of websites as far as usage % from different OSs as having a "Mac."

About 2% of users have a Macintosh OS.

[Zurgery]

I want Mac and Windows to have a child. I want the child.

[karlo]

that would be cool.....
but what would the name be?

[Meee]

Macintos? ;D

[Ursawarrior]

macindows

[Gasmaskguy]

This isn't space junk and posting a word can be followed by a penalty. :P

Windac ftw.

[[LightMare]]

and the windac is a mac with parallels. i have a leopard and xp at the same time, running at the same time. i can go from one os to the other in 1 second.

[hastenax]

And if I am right, SC2 will support both platforms.


Yes it will - visit http://starcraft2.com/faq.xml

Read last questions.

[Hodl pu]

I own both, I love both. Both are equally useful in my life.

[Joneagle_X]

Mac + PC = devil baby.

[DontHate]

It's nice to see window's fix A LOT of the problems with Vista SP1. It took about 30 minutes for me to install the damn thing, but things are a lot faster now. Things such as moving files and deleting them.

[marcusrodrigues]

Ahm... Windows Vista made moving and deleting files buggy or slow??? OMG, it must be worse than waht I read about... If it cant do the most simple thing a computer is supposed to do, what is it good for?

That's why I use a Mac ;-)

[Joneagle_X]

So Vista SP1 is out now? Did it actually fix crap or is it still ridiculous?

I had such a hard time with Starcraft and other applications in Vista.

[BirdofPrey]

IOne thing you have to realise about Vista though is that the hardware resources are handeled much differently in Vista. The 9x line up to and including XP allows programs to see and interact with the hardware while Vista does not much in the same way that hardware is hidden from software in NT. The lack of access to the hardware is one off the reasons most games don't like VMware and run slowly

Thats why its slow. Of course it would help if hardware companies stopped releaseing bogus drivers.
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Anywho I still use windoze because everything runs on it while most stuff doesn't run OS X. I play games other than starcraft. (also the 1 button mouse is retarded but that can be changed by buying a real mouse)

As for the computers themselves I don't much care for the closed system or one box design and I think they try to had to make a fasion statement out of Macs

[marcusrodrigues]

Macs have 3 buttons mice with scroll (both horizontal and vertical) and optional bluetooth.

[DontHate]

So Vista SP1 is out now? Did it actually fix crap or is it still ridiculous?

I had such a hard time with Starcraft and other applications in Vista.

yea, but you probably already downloaded it now. It's in the windows updater. They fixed a lot of the bugs with Vista but nothing very dramatic.

[bluemanrocks]

i mean in the long run, im unfortuanetly going to have to say linux. YES it has its disadvantages, but if you know how to work it (and YES I KNOW its difficult, though not as exagerrated as many say) its simply the best.
windows is an almost-close second.