BirdofPrey
01-09-2008, 02:41 AM
Its day 2 of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas and some interesting tech has come in form Intel and Nvidia (not compatible) along with the chance to actually do some gaming on laptops (with high end chips nonetheless) AMD seems to be holding on for now but their cheaper products might have some chance.
and now the News courtesy of CNET Networks
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CES 2008: Computers and hardware (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9835320-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Dan Ackerman
PC makers rarely flood CES with new product announcements, preferring to hit either the lucrative holiday season just before, or else timing their latest wares to new technologies from component makers such as Intel, AMD, and Nvidia. That's not to say there won't be plenty of new laptops and desktop to see at CES, and we expect a few surprises along the way.
On the desktop front, AMD's Phenom processors and the next generation of Intel quad-core chips should bring quad-core PCs to the mainstream masses with new low prices. More power for fewer bucks always works well as a selling point. PC makers will also lead the way in the HD DVD/Blu-ray war, with HP in particular opting for hybrid drives that work with both next-gen formats--making vendors dedicated to one platform or another look ... Read more (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9835320-67.html?tag=more)
Intel, AMD toss in their chips at CES (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9840767-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Tom Krazit
CES is not exactly a chip-maker's show, since chips look sort of lame next to flashy cell phones and 100-inch plasma televisions.
Still, Intel and AMD both plan to descend on the desert this week and each company is making some news. Intel has more than a dozen new chips to announce, and AMD has a new logo.
First off, Intel plans to unveil 16 chips on Monday, the same day CEO Paul Otellini delivers an afternoon keynote address at The Venetian Hotel. The five Penryn-class Core 2 Duo notebook processors are probably the highlight, the first of Intel's notebook chips to use the company's 45-nanometer manufacturing technology.
The notebook chips are available immediately, setting the stage for next week's Macworld, when Apple CEO Steve Jobs is expected to unveil one or more Macbooks based on Intel's chips. The rest of the new processors are ... Read more (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9840767-67.html?tag=more)
Looks like things are shaping up to be the year of the laptop. More and more tech is going into laptops to make them more powerful and have longer batteries. Now if only they can make laptops as cheap as desktops. The high end stuff for Desktops from Intel seems to me not to be at all usefull since the current stuff they have is already more than you need so its probably a good thing they are focusing on mobile devices.
New PC platforms from Intel will face hurdles (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9843883-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Rich Brown
Intel had three different high-end PCs to show us at the show this morning. Two were based on its forthcoming dual-quad-core enthusiast motherboard, code-named Skulltrail. The other was based on Intel's X48 chipset, which is the 1,600MHz front side bus version of X38, which itself came out last November to coincide with Intel's new Core 2 Quad 9000-series chips. We were suitably impressed at the benchmarks Intel ran for us, as well as the overclocking and cooling of each.
The problem is that each platform is going to be a hard sell, as they're dependent on other technologies to help them achieve their full potential, and that synergy is proving difficult in both cases. Skulltrail especially.
Skulltrail's dependency is software. It's only now that we're ... Read more (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9843883-67.html?tag=more)
Intel is jumping on the octo-core bandwagon with AMD (who annouced that capability with its 700 series chipsets on the Spider platform) With Quad-core chips being expensive at the moment and not really too much more usefull than dual-cores due to lack of optimization this seems rather useless for the time being
The second one seems interesting as a faster front-side bus is always usefull but as pointed out in the full article without top end graphics to go with it it becomes watered down. It seems to me that Intel needs to stop making stuff that wll be usefull in a year andmake what is available NOW cheaper. Ig they did that they might actually crush AMD (though a monopoly probably isn't what we want)
Mobile Penryn: early test results (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9843089-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Matthew Elliott
Intel introduced its Penryn mobile processors today, and Dell sent us a Latitude D630 with one of the new chips last week to test against an identical Latitude with a previous-generation Merom chip. As we found last year when we tested the first Penryn desktop chip, the Core 2 Extreme QX9650, performance gains aren't immediately evident. While the Penryn mobile processor we tested, the Core 2 Duo T9500, boasts a more efficient 45-nanometer manufacturing process, it really is just laying the foundation for architectural advances that Intel will release later in the year with Nehalem. Compared with the previous-generation Core 2 Duo T7800, which our second Latitude D630 test system was running, the two chips feature the same 2.60GHz clockspeed and operate on the same 800MHz frontside bus of Intel's 965 Express chipset. The Penryn chip does serve up 6MB ... Read more (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9843089-67.html?tag=more)
Thats more like it,. Something we can actually use. Something hat uses less power is always something to lock forward to since a plug is not always available and extra laptop batteries aren't the lightest or cheapest acessories to get. Also less lead and less halogens are something really nice since some people don't recycle their systems and electronics are generally toxic. Heres to the green PC
Though they say the perfomance inrease was marginal the 45nm process is something and with this being one of the first of that process it can only get better.
CES 2008: New Intel quad-core CPUs take the high-end, but the midrange is still up for grabs. (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9841731-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Rich Brown
Here's what we find most interesting about Intel's new additions to its Core 2 Quad line later this quarter. Of the three new quad-core desktop chips it announced this morning, only the 2.5GHz Core 2 Quad Q9300 has a low enough price at $266 to compete with AMD's Phenom 9500 ($251) and 9600 ($283). True, Intel's previous generation Q6600 ($266) will likely drop in price, and it's faster than either current Phenom, but it wasn't quite the crushing blow to AMD's 2008 hopes we thought we might see.
Intel has dominated AMD at the high-end for a while now, and even after AMD squares away its higher-end Phenom issues, it's likely that Intel will hold its performance lead. That leaves AMD to rely on price drops to stay competitive. And while quad-core CPUs are still by no means mainstream, ... Read more (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9841731-67.html?tag=more)Intel's processors are still faster. Not like you needed anyone to tell you that. AMD is still cheaper. More of the blatently obvious. What else can I say about this one?
ATI releases new laptop graphics (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9844006-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Matthew Elliott
While AMD has been quiet on the CPU front at this year's show (unless you count the introduction of a logo as news), its graphics division has something of substance with the new ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3000 series. This new laptop graphics lineup comprises two models, the HD 3400 and the HD 3600, and is optimized for AMD's next-generation mobile platform (codename Puma) due out next quarter. The new GPUs support DirectX 10.1 and PCI Express 2.0, and can display Blu-ray and HD DVD movies at full 1080p resolution. They also come equipped with ATI's Avivo HD technology, which lightens the CPU's load during intensive video decoding tasks. The Radeon HD 3000 series will also be the cause for the arrival of DisplayPort video connections on laptops.
Asus is mentioned as the ... Read more (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9844006-67.html?tag=more)
First off let me note that the Radeon HD 3000 series is the top end stuff from ATI so seing it go on a laptop is a fine thing indeed. Its a relativeley bare article but it mentions the Puma platform that is coming which should be interesting as well. With DX10.1 and PCI-Express on laptops now it further solidifies the fact that soon desktop replacement (and gaming) laptops are fast on their way to actually living up to their name.
Nvidia announces new chipsets, Hybrid SLI (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9842563-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Rich Brown
Nvidia's three announcements today are perhaps not that surprising if you follow the PC tech rumor mill, but it's nice to finally have confirmation.
First, is the introduction of Nvidia's next-generation chipset, the NForce 700-series. The 780a, 750a, and 730a are AMD-only designs based on the AM2+ CPU interface. They allow for Phenom quad-core chips in SLI systems on the 780a and 750a, and the 780a also supports Nvidia's three-way SLI platform, which lets you use three supporting graphics cards in the same PC. Nvidia made no Intel-based announcements today, which leaves high-end gamers with no means of pairing Nvidia's performance leading graphics cards with Intel's Core 2 Quad 9000-series chips. Until that union becomes possible (or until AMD's higher-end Phenom chips emerge and surprise us with better performance), you should stay away from the $5,000-plus gaming PC. Update: Nvidia ... Read more (http://http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9842563-67.html?tag=more)
First thing that interests me is the fact that Intel has basicly been shut out as far as graphics go. Score 1 for AMD. I find that surprising that you can't pair the high end CPU with a high end card. What interest me more is the Hybrid SLI. ever since motherboards started having integrated vidoe chipsets those chipsets have been forced to turn off when you get a real vidoe card but with this new tech from Nvidia those onboard chips will boost your performance and can even be used instead of the card for power savings when you are doing stuff like typing or surfing the net (like now) which is escpecially good for laptops because even with power savings the high end GPUs still draw more current than the basic model so you will o longer have t worry about your gaming laptop having a 1 hour battery life if all you are doing is word processing.
Really interesting stuff regarding PC guts. If you see anything else computer realted feel free to post the article for it.
Discuss the above, below.
and now the News courtesy of CNET Networks
_________________________________________________
CES 2008: Computers and hardware (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9835320-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Dan Ackerman
PC makers rarely flood CES with new product announcements, preferring to hit either the lucrative holiday season just before, or else timing their latest wares to new technologies from component makers such as Intel, AMD, and Nvidia. That's not to say there won't be plenty of new laptops and desktop to see at CES, and we expect a few surprises along the way.
On the desktop front, AMD's Phenom processors and the next generation of Intel quad-core chips should bring quad-core PCs to the mainstream masses with new low prices. More power for fewer bucks always works well as a selling point. PC makers will also lead the way in the HD DVD/Blu-ray war, with HP in particular opting for hybrid drives that work with both next-gen formats--making vendors dedicated to one platform or another look ... Read more (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9835320-67.html?tag=more)
Intel, AMD toss in their chips at CES (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9840767-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Tom Krazit
CES is not exactly a chip-maker's show, since chips look sort of lame next to flashy cell phones and 100-inch plasma televisions.
Still, Intel and AMD both plan to descend on the desert this week and each company is making some news. Intel has more than a dozen new chips to announce, and AMD has a new logo.
First off, Intel plans to unveil 16 chips on Monday, the same day CEO Paul Otellini delivers an afternoon keynote address at The Venetian Hotel. The five Penryn-class Core 2 Duo notebook processors are probably the highlight, the first of Intel's notebook chips to use the company's 45-nanometer manufacturing technology.
The notebook chips are available immediately, setting the stage for next week's Macworld, when Apple CEO Steve Jobs is expected to unveil one or more Macbooks based on Intel's chips. The rest of the new processors are ... Read more (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9840767-67.html?tag=more)
Looks like things are shaping up to be the year of the laptop. More and more tech is going into laptops to make them more powerful and have longer batteries. Now if only they can make laptops as cheap as desktops. The high end stuff for Desktops from Intel seems to me not to be at all usefull since the current stuff they have is already more than you need so its probably a good thing they are focusing on mobile devices.
New PC platforms from Intel will face hurdles (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9843883-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Rich Brown
Intel had three different high-end PCs to show us at the show this morning. Two were based on its forthcoming dual-quad-core enthusiast motherboard, code-named Skulltrail. The other was based on Intel's X48 chipset, which is the 1,600MHz front side bus version of X38, which itself came out last November to coincide with Intel's new Core 2 Quad 9000-series chips. We were suitably impressed at the benchmarks Intel ran for us, as well as the overclocking and cooling of each.
The problem is that each platform is going to be a hard sell, as they're dependent on other technologies to help them achieve their full potential, and that synergy is proving difficult in both cases. Skulltrail especially.
Skulltrail's dependency is software. It's only now that we're ... Read more (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9843883-67.html?tag=more)
Intel is jumping on the octo-core bandwagon with AMD (who annouced that capability with its 700 series chipsets on the Spider platform) With Quad-core chips being expensive at the moment and not really too much more usefull than dual-cores due to lack of optimization this seems rather useless for the time being
The second one seems interesting as a faster front-side bus is always usefull but as pointed out in the full article without top end graphics to go with it it becomes watered down. It seems to me that Intel needs to stop making stuff that wll be usefull in a year andmake what is available NOW cheaper. Ig they did that they might actually crush AMD (though a monopoly probably isn't what we want)
Mobile Penryn: early test results (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9843089-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Matthew Elliott
Intel introduced its Penryn mobile processors today, and Dell sent us a Latitude D630 with one of the new chips last week to test against an identical Latitude with a previous-generation Merom chip. As we found last year when we tested the first Penryn desktop chip, the Core 2 Extreme QX9650, performance gains aren't immediately evident. While the Penryn mobile processor we tested, the Core 2 Duo T9500, boasts a more efficient 45-nanometer manufacturing process, it really is just laying the foundation for architectural advances that Intel will release later in the year with Nehalem. Compared with the previous-generation Core 2 Duo T7800, which our second Latitude D630 test system was running, the two chips feature the same 2.60GHz clockspeed and operate on the same 800MHz frontside bus of Intel's 965 Express chipset. The Penryn chip does serve up 6MB ... Read more (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9843089-67.html?tag=more)
Thats more like it,. Something we can actually use. Something hat uses less power is always something to lock forward to since a plug is not always available and extra laptop batteries aren't the lightest or cheapest acessories to get. Also less lead and less halogens are something really nice since some people don't recycle their systems and electronics are generally toxic. Heres to the green PC
Though they say the perfomance inrease was marginal the 45nm process is something and with this being one of the first of that process it can only get better.
CES 2008: New Intel quad-core CPUs take the high-end, but the midrange is still up for grabs. (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9841731-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Rich Brown
Here's what we find most interesting about Intel's new additions to its Core 2 Quad line later this quarter. Of the three new quad-core desktop chips it announced this morning, only the 2.5GHz Core 2 Quad Q9300 has a low enough price at $266 to compete with AMD's Phenom 9500 ($251) and 9600 ($283). True, Intel's previous generation Q6600 ($266) will likely drop in price, and it's faster than either current Phenom, but it wasn't quite the crushing blow to AMD's 2008 hopes we thought we might see.
Intel has dominated AMD at the high-end for a while now, and even after AMD squares away its higher-end Phenom issues, it's likely that Intel will hold its performance lead. That leaves AMD to rely on price drops to stay competitive. And while quad-core CPUs are still by no means mainstream, ... Read more (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9841731-67.html?tag=more)Intel's processors are still faster. Not like you needed anyone to tell you that. AMD is still cheaper. More of the blatently obvious. What else can I say about this one?
ATI releases new laptop graphics (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9844006-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Matthew Elliott
While AMD has been quiet on the CPU front at this year's show (unless you count the introduction of a logo as news), its graphics division has something of substance with the new ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3000 series. This new laptop graphics lineup comprises two models, the HD 3400 and the HD 3600, and is optimized for AMD's next-generation mobile platform (codename Puma) due out next quarter. The new GPUs support DirectX 10.1 and PCI Express 2.0, and can display Blu-ray and HD DVD movies at full 1080p resolution. They also come equipped with ATI's Avivo HD technology, which lightens the CPU's load during intensive video decoding tasks. The Radeon HD 3000 series will also be the cause for the arrival of DisplayPort video connections on laptops.
Asus is mentioned as the ... Read more (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9844006-67.html?tag=more)
First off let me note that the Radeon HD 3000 series is the top end stuff from ATI so seing it go on a laptop is a fine thing indeed. Its a relativeley bare article but it mentions the Puma platform that is coming which should be interesting as well. With DX10.1 and PCI-Express on laptops now it further solidifies the fact that soon desktop replacement (and gaming) laptops are fast on their way to actually living up to their name.
Nvidia announces new chipsets, Hybrid SLI (http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9842563-67.html?tag=head)
Posted by Rich Brown
Nvidia's three announcements today are perhaps not that surprising if you follow the PC tech rumor mill, but it's nice to finally have confirmation.
First, is the introduction of Nvidia's next-generation chipset, the NForce 700-series. The 780a, 750a, and 730a are AMD-only designs based on the AM2+ CPU interface. They allow for Phenom quad-core chips in SLI systems on the 780a and 750a, and the 780a also supports Nvidia's three-way SLI platform, which lets you use three supporting graphics cards in the same PC. Nvidia made no Intel-based announcements today, which leaves high-end gamers with no means of pairing Nvidia's performance leading graphics cards with Intel's Core 2 Quad 9000-series chips. Until that union becomes possible (or until AMD's higher-end Phenom chips emerge and surprise us with better performance), you should stay away from the $5,000-plus gaming PC. Update: Nvidia ... Read more (http://http://ces.cnet.com/8301-13855_1-9842563-67.html?tag=more)
First thing that interests me is the fact that Intel has basicly been shut out as far as graphics go. Score 1 for AMD. I find that surprising that you can't pair the high end CPU with a high end card. What interest me more is the Hybrid SLI. ever since motherboards started having integrated vidoe chipsets those chipsets have been forced to turn off when you get a real vidoe card but with this new tech from Nvidia those onboard chips will boost your performance and can even be used instead of the card for power savings when you are doing stuff like typing or surfing the net (like now) which is escpecially good for laptops because even with power savings the high end GPUs still draw more current than the basic model so you will o longer have t worry about your gaming laptop having a 1 hour battery life if all you are doing is word processing.
Really interesting stuff regarding PC guts. If you see anything else computer realted feel free to post the article for it.
Discuss the above, below.