Your Samir Duran Theories here

[vemynal]

This isn't so much about SC:2 as a theory about the Xel'Naga.

Duran, would we all be willing to agree he is Xel'Naga? After the SC:2 news release me and a friend reloaded starcraft and began the story line to get caught up. Both of us haven't played the game in probably 4 years now.

Anyways, while we were both playing the game, we separately came to the question: Why does Duran appear Human? is it some form of illusion? Something he's done to modify his appearance?

Once me and my friend got too talking we came to the conclusion that maybe not all Xel'Naga were really destroyed after all. That maybe once upon a time Humans were the Xel'Naga.

Just an interesting plot twist that me and him thought up, we don't know if we necessarily believe it but i thought I'd share it^^

Duran is probably one of my favorite characters if just because of that bonus level^^

Hope we see him next game^^

[Senator]

I haven't played the original for ages now too and forgot a lot of things...

What bonus mission? I can't even remember that.

[mc2]

I haven't played the original for ages now too and forgot a lot of things...

What bonus mission? I can't even remember that.


Its the part 3 of the brood war storyline "queen of blades"
u are playing as a cerebrate under kerrigan's control.....
and i think it was the 9th mission.....u have to destroy a protoss and a terran base.....in order to kidnap razalgal once again.....then zeratul killed her to free her from kerrigan's control

if u completed the mission in less than 25mins, u'll activate a bonus mission showing duran and a group of terran scientists experimenting with a protoss-zerg hybrid.

[Exterranminator]

Once me and my friend got too talking we came to the conclusion that maybe not all Xel'Naga were really destroyed after all. That maybe once upon a time Humans were the Xel'Naga.


Nah, humans are not the Xel' Naga. That thing, what infested Duran, was rather some kind of parasite- not clear if biological or rather energetic. My theory is: the poor little confederate liutanant Samir discovered somithing horrible on Braxis during his guerila campaign against Terran Dominion. Something, what just possesed his body and so on. Nobody saw this. Then he witnessed UED strike against Terran Dominion. And he saw his chance to finish an old experiment of Xels.

[red_dragoon]

I REALLY need to play the game again. I have no idea what you just said lol

When I get a chance I'm playing it again!

[Fenix]

Well, when he called Zeratul "young prodigal", it made me wonder. I doubt he's Xel'Naga, but I believe he's an agent of the Xel'Naga. Maybe another failed race?

[PainKiller]

Oh this is so exciting! ;D
I have never realy thought of this.. It seems clearly that he is just infested by the Zerg.
Why would the Xel'Naga do such experiments with Protoss and Zerg?
damn.. I cant wait to play the StarCraft2 campaign..!!

[vemynal]

wow, 6 replies and no random insult spams?

/is happy^^

changing the title to "Your Samir Duran Theories here" Go ahead and if you've played the story line resently (or not) go ahead and post your theory about who he might be/what he might be/what his goals are.

I mean you don't merge protoss and zerg for the sheer fun of it :P hes gotta have a goal.

[Fenix]

Oh this is so exciting! ;D
I have never realy thought of this.. It seems clearly that he is just infested by the Zerg.
Why would the Xel'Naga do such experiments with Protoss and Zerg?
damn.. I cant wait to play the StarCraft2 campaign..!!



The Xel'Naga were trying to create the perfect race (They like playing God(s)). The Protoss and Zerg were both pure in one respect, either Body or Essence (I mix them up). However, they weren't pure in the other respect. By combining them, if in fact it is the Xel'Naga behind the Hybrids, they're attempting to take both purities and put them into one race.

[Singuris]

in one of the books there is a scientist with Duran in his name Duran mabey some kind of shapeshifter mabey back when brood war first came out I had some good ideas but that was a long time ago.

[KoN17]

DOWN WITH DURAN! :P

[Fenix]

Na man, Duran's a pimp. Sure, he's most likely a bad guy, but he's a cool one. The only beef I have with him is he killed Stukov.

[vemynal]

why does everyone like stukov? XD the accent?

Honestly he was the only non-idiot of the UED but he made some dumb decisions himself. He coulda told Dugelle what happened with Duran...

[KoN17]

well.... he has an accent cuz maybe hes either Russian or Polish? ::)
If he is Polish, I respect him cuz Im Polish too, lol
and they are called UED, which are people all united from Earth ;D

[vemynal]

Only further supporting my growing idea that earth is full of idiots XD

Doesn't look like the future is any better off XD

[hillzagold]

How long have the Terrans been here? The start booklet said something, but i dont remember. But Duran has had many names over the past, and i dont think the Terrans have been there for centuries, so either the xel'naga (or some other unknown force) have been to earth before, or this is some 'agent' that uses Duran as a host or takes his form.

SWEET. KICKING. ASS.

[KoN17]

lool, well the UED almost sound like a bunch of communists of the 25th century ::)

[mc2]

to: KoN17, stukov's accent is south american

If Duran is an agent of Xel'Naga, and lets say he IS a human with "infections", it could be possible that the Xel'Naga also created humans on earth
-OR-
During the early ages of human (ie 500,000 yrs ago), the Xel captured duran and gave him immortality?? hence he described himself in the bonus mission as "A servant of a greater power, a power that has slept through countless millenia"

[Fenix]

to: KoN17, stukov's accent is south american

If Duran is an agent of Xel'Naga, and lets say he IS a human with "infections", it could be possible that the Xel'Naga also created humans on earth
-OR-
During the early ages of human (ie 500,000 yrs ago), the Xel captured duran and gave him immortality?? hence he described himself in the bonus mission as "A servant of a greater power, a power that has slept through countless millenia"


The UED is Russian ;D

Duran calls Zeratul a "young prodigal", and he's 634 years old. Obviously, there is no way Samir's body could be that old.....However, it brings up and interesting question. Is that the body's original mind?



EDIT: Samir's "listed" age is 33. Just thought I'd throw that in there.

[Exterranminator]

well.... he has an accent cuz maybe hes either Russian or Polish? ::)


Lol, know any polish name like "Alexiei"? No, his Russian- it is sure.

[Singuris]

UED is not russians alone it is a United Earth force

[TheDarkTemplar]

I don't think there's any doubt he's an agent of the Xel'Naga in my opinion, unless Blizzard are planning on bringing in yet another race, superior to the Xel even? And I like the idea that the mind inside Duran is not his own, opens up a lot more theories!

[Singuris]

mabey the overmind has manifested it self in him i know there are alot of gaps but think about it

[Fenix]

UED is not russians alone it is a United Earth force


True, but there's a lot of Russian accents riding around.

If you ever watched a show Firefly, everyone was Chinese, American, or Russian, because those are the three superpowers.

[mc2]

mabey the overmind has manifested it self in him i know there are alot of gaps but think about it


it is possible that duran is the overmind
"No, young Kerrigan couldn't of conprehend any of these projects. Although her development process has sped up my research"

Remember that the overmind's ultimate aspiration is to assimilate protoss into zerg's gene pool and become "perfect". And the overmind appointed Kerrigan as its "agent" because by studying the hybridization of terran-zerg......the overmind can speed up the protoss-zerg hybridization process....

[TheDarkTemplar]

It's a nice idea, but I thought the Overmind was completely annihilated?

[Fenix]

Nay lad. There's a new Overmind.

[Singuris]

The more and more i thhink about my overmind in him idea i like it more and more

[reject_666_6]

If that's the case, then when, where and why did the Overmind infest him (or mind-control, whatever...)??? Wasn't the Overmind taken to Earth before he "joined" Kerrigan?

[KoN17]

are you saying polish dont drink vodka?
???

[hillzagold]

blizzard said that there would only be 3 races, but maybe the hybrid will be like the burning legion in WC3

[Rancor]

Maybe Duran was possesed by one of those light being things from The book Shadow of the Xel Naga?

[Singuris]

If that's the case, then when, where and why did the Overmind infest him (or mind-control, whatever...)??? Wasn't the Overmind taken to Earth before he "joined" Kerrigan?

No he wasn't taking to earth and their have been plenty of opportunities for him to put part of himself in a terran any time their is an infestation. The whole mar sara incedient tons of occasions.

[Khalarius]

DeGaulle is, in my understanding, French or some other west european roman country :)
Alexei (Aleksandar) Stukov is probably east european (polish, belarus, russian, ukraine etc etc)
And they sound funny beacuse american industry just loves to color the bad guys with foreign accents :) :) :) Xel'Naga wil probably sound arabic :) :)

I devouted a great deal of time trying to figure out how Duran fits int he story (have really boring classes on colledge :) )

The Xel'Naga were first got cripeled by the protoss attack and then brought on the brink of destruction by the zerg. The remaining Xel'Naga got (my english is bad, can tsay what i think :( ) separated in 2 groups, one wich wanted to go on with the great experiment and one wich had much darker thoughts - Knowing that the zerg and protoss stand for two forms of perfection (essence and form) none of them would prevail over the other, so they decided that a hybrid of the zerg and protos would be the perfect life form, combinig the purity of essence and the purity of form (am I getting boring here?:) ) and with that lifeform the would seek revenge upon ther failed experiments (zerg and protoss). The "good" group of Xel'Naga rebeled against such an idea. The 2 groups clashed and the good Xel'Naga managed to put the "evil" group in stasis (they could not kill their one kind), but payed the ultimate price - destroyed themselves in the proces (an neverending story...) So Samir Duran, while fighting on braxis (someone mentioned this part, good idea) descovered one such Xel'Naga stasis, the creature inside wich had unimaginable psionic powers possesed Duran and put in motion the plan to make revenge upon the zerg and protoss (lol, the end at last)

And thats how I think the story will be :)

[reject_666_6]

Don't you think that the splitting of races in Starcraft has been done already? Templar/Dark Templar, anybody? And if they want revenge, then they're definitely in the wrong place.

The Protoss that destroyed the Xel'Naga fleet were brutes, and this was before Adun and the Khala, which changed the Protoss into the mighty, heroic race they are today.

The Zerg back then who destroyed the rest of the Xel were led by the Overmind, now they're led by Kerry.

The Terrans didn't even have a part in any of this.

So if the Hybrids were created for revenge, they have nobody to take it on. None of the races can identify themselves with what they were back then. It would be like having a guy killed for what his great-grandpa did last century.

[Singuris]

If you actually think Xel'naga will show up i'm sorry but you gotta be wrong they wouldn't waste there time with such weak races. Since all they lost was a science team i don't think they care enough to show up.

[reject_666_6]

Science team??? The Zerg decimated EVERYBODY!!! :o

"The Overmind, however, was plotting to destroy its creators and spread across the galaxy. A surprise attack was launched against the Xel'Naga, wiping out most of the race's Worldships and the greater whole of the Xel'Naga in the first waves. The ancient ones who survived fled Zerus, and may have fled known space. Their location and survival rate is unknown."

Dude, if they show their faces, somebody's ass is gonna get kicked. I mean some race's ass. ;D

[starcraft2iscoming]

Is Duran one of the Xel'Naga, or something more.... ???

[reject_666_6]

Is Duran one of the Xel'Naga, or something more.... Huh

We don't really know. Given the amount of information we have, all we could say is that he's a traitorous Terran with a chorused voice and hidden knowledge.

But, luckily, we have this thread to theorize. Oh, happy day!

[Fenix]

are you saying polish dont drink vodka?
???


In Soviet Russia, vodka drinks YOU!!





ANYway, he's totally waaaay more than he seems. The Overmind theory is plausible, as is the agent of a higher power (AKA, Xel'Naga). However.....Something that irks me. In the end of Brood Wars, Kerry loses her psionic link with him. I think she could forcibly keep it if it was a creature so in tune with psionic, such as the Overmind.

I think that's going to be the big moment in SCII, when we find out who he really is.....

[starcraft2iscoming]

He will apeare in SC2, but who said we would know who he really is? Maby in SC2's expantion or SC3...

[TheDarkTemplar]

If it takes SC2 and an expansion pack before we find out who he really is than Blizzard will be as bad as Lost when they don't tell you anything for weeks :D

[starcraft2iscoming]

What are you going to do about? Stop playing ther games? Yea right. But yes that would be cruel to starcraft fans.

[reject_666_6]

And the father of Eric Cartman... oops, I mean... The identity of Samir Duran... ... ... ... ...will not be revealed to you today so that we can bring you this special April Fools joke. Knock, knock!

By the way, is Samir of Indian origin? His name appears to be Indian (from India, that is).

[Fenix]

I always figured "Samir" to be Arabian (If that's "politically correct")

[SpongeJosh]

from my limited knowledge, the word Samir or "entertaining companion" (in Arabic) or "gust of wind/a cool gentle breeze on a hot summer day" (in Sanskrit) are usually given to Hindu and Muslim males.

[l2k]

My theory is: Duran is a human spy of Xel'Naga to spy and research both the weaknesses of the betrayal race, Zerg and Protoss, and developing a new "perfect race" to destroy them. :)

[reject_666_6]

Bla, bla bla, and the Terrans have just proved to be a thorn in the side of the Xel'Naga and must be the first to be eliminated. Anyway, unless the Xel somehow come up with a super-weapon or something from Duran's knowledge, they have NO CHANCE of defeating the Zerg or the Terran + Protoss alliance through a normal invasion.

[coalescence]

Hmm, I was to lazy to read all the comments, but note this:

Xel'naga were considered to be the shepards of the galaxy.
Duran insinuates that the Hybrids will destroy everything, because he gives me the impression hes kind of evil :P.

I don't think he's Xel.

[TheDarkTemplar]

Wouldn't you be pissed if your sheep turned around and bit you in the ass?!

[coalescence]

Wouldn't you be pissed if your sheep turned around and bit you in the ass?!


I would be, but I wouldn't destroy the whole world.

[reject_666_6]

The Xel couldn't really be strong enough to destroy the sector anyway. The Zerg beat 90% of 'em once. A more evolved and recent Zerg could definitely beat the survivors to a pulp if they attack.

[coalescence]

The Xel couldn't really be strong enough to destroy the sector anyway. The Zerg beat 90% of 'em once. A more evolved and recent Zerg could definitely beat the survivors to a pulp if they attack.


Nice theories in this topic :)

But I guess that the xel were a little flabbergasted from the zerg attack (arrogance?) Maybe they now used theyre energie and advanced equipment to develop weapons?
And also, indirectly they CAN! Because the zerg are doing that already, and they would never have become this dangerous without the help of the xel'naga. Maybe the xel are doing the same with hybrids. But still I don't think so, looking at my old theory.

[reject_666_6]

Yes, weapons could work, but they'd only wore so much against the Zerg's overwhelming numbers. The only sure-fire way to stop the Zerg from slaughtering you is the Psi Disruptor.

[TheDarkTemplar]

There could have been a bit of arrogance, but then again maybe they're just scientists that got pwned. I mean I always had an idea in my head that they were like the Protoss but not warriors.

[coalescence]

Yes, weapons could work, but they'd only wore so much against the Zerg's overwhelming numbers. The only sure-fire way to stop the Zerg from slaughtering you is the Psi Disruptor.


We will see. Think about it! No one of us (except blizzard) has a clue of the weapons xel'naga could have developed int he millenia that have passed. Would critter stand a chance against inter dimensional bla bla they maybe have? (I don't really know what I'm talking about with the inter dimensional blabla, but it sounds really mighty.)
Bottom line (and this time seriously): Time will tell.


There could have been a bit of arrogance, but then again maybe they're just scientists that got pwned. I mean I always had an idea in my head that they were like the Protoss but not warriors.


Yeah, but its also the scientists (this time terran and protoss) who developed motherships, collusi, psi disruptors, battle cruisers and such. And the warriors of the xel could be robotic. Think protoss reavers or interceptors!

[TheDarkTemplar]

Hmm, never really thought of it like that. I don't know why I had that idea in my head, but I guess I always thought of the Xel as pacifists in a way, whose creation got outta control - Frankenstein?

[Exterranminator]

It is nothing said about Xel's allignment (did i wrote this correct? :)) anyway remember that they were "betrayed" by its children- Zerg and Protoss. Even if they were pacifistic in early stage, they might be not after those...accidents.

sory 4 poor english

[reject_666_6]

Yes, you did write it correctly :D

The Zerg and Protoss weren't really children, but more like pets. The Overmind just wanted to be free of the Xel's grip, and the Protoss just went like Lord Of The Flies, and this was before their enlightenment with Adun and the Khala.

[coalescence]

Hmm, never really thought of it like that. I don't know why I had that idea in my head, but I guess I always thought of the Xel as pacifists in a way, whose creation got outta control - Frankenstein?


And I guess your abselutely correct my friends, the only thing that time will tell is that the xel kept there cool, or didn't ....

[Fenix]

I never got the impression that the Xel'Naga were peaceful....They did create the two most powerful races in the known galaxy :-\

And that expedition that got pwned by the Zerg was just a science thing.....Pretty easy to kill scientists.

I'm pretty sure the Xel'Naga have the best ships and biggest guns, and quite possibly hybrid warriors to boot.

[coalescence]

I never got the impression that the Xel'Naga were peaceful....They did create the two most powerful races in the known galaxy :-\


The fact that they create a strong race (whats strong? I think that a race is strong when its fit to survive :)) doesn't mean that they're out for war.

[Fenix]

I never got the impression that the Xel'Naga were peaceful....They did create the two most powerful races in the known galaxy :-\


The fact that they create a strong race (whats strong? I think that a race is strong when its fit to survive :)) doesn't mean that they're out for war.


Strong to me means that in a wartime situation, barring some catastrophic error, they will come out on top 90% of the time.

And I never said out for war. And would it seem like war to them, destroying what they created?

[starcraft2iscoming]

I found a secret Duran Death File. The Terran one is the first one, the second is the infested Duran one.

[coalescence]

Strong to me means that in a wartime situation, barring some catastrophic error, they will come out on top 90% of the time.

And I never said out for war. And would it seem like war to them, destroying what they created?


No you didn't, but I think you get my drift :)
Your implying that the fact that you don't see them as a peacefull race is because they created strong races.
Your definition (at least, what you say here) of strong is the fact that they can stand their ground in a war situation. I think that even a peacefull or pacifist society/race could be strong in a wartime situation. Also, the fact that a race is succesfull in many views (protoss) probably means they can boot it out when it goes wrong yeah. I think that a race that tries to sheperd other race not to use it as a weapon but to help develop isn't really out for war. And the zerg yeah, though luck that the overmind had a agenda of its own.

[Fenix]

My definition is not really standing ground, but whupping whatever comes against them.

Anyway.

Yeah, the Xel'Naga aren't evil or anything, though I don't like things that play God, but I think even they would get kinda pissed off at the Zerg. Plus, seeing as how they do play God, I don't think they want one of their creations running rampant and killing everything.

[coalescence]

My definition is not really standing ground, but whupping whatever comes against them.

Anyway.

Yeah, the Xel'Naga aren't evil or anything, though I don't like things that play God, but I think even they would get kinda pissed off at the Zerg. Plus, seeing as how they do play God, I don't think they want one of their creations running rampant and killing everything.


Well, if someone attacks them they deserve to get whupped, nothing evil against whupping ;D

And yeah they should take care of the zerg yeah :)

[starcraft2iscoming]

My definition is not really standing ground, but whupping whatever comes against them.

Anyway.

Yeah, the Xel'Naga aren't evil or anything, though I don't like things that play God, but I think even they would get kinda pissed off at the Zerg. Plus, seeing as how they do play God, I don't think they want one of their creations running rampant and killing everything.
I remeber that they saw the Protoss as a failer, but now i bet there depending on the Protoss to destroy the Zerg, their once "perfect" creation.

[coalescence]

Ironic isn't it.

[reject_666_6]

The Zerg isn't really that perfect. As a race of war, it is one of the best, but they are all controlled by a single Overmind, who makes decisions that are far from perfect. If the Overmind gets replaced by, let's say, a selfish being with a thirst for power, the Zerg can never rebel against this rule. They're biggest strength becomes their biggest weakness. In essence, the Zerg may have "evolved" and stuff, but they are still essentially the same as when they destroyed the Xel'Naga all those millenia ago.

The Protoss may have started off weaker, "imperfect" as we may put it, but they have learned through their collective and individual mistakes to become a powerful, honourable and non-aggressive people. The Protoss remaining on Shakuras, even though are few in numbers, are much stronger than the original Protoss were on Aiur. If no peoples attacked each other for another hundred years, the Protoss could obliterate anything in the sector.

The Terrans are only human. We'll never really know what will become of them, but of all three races, the Terrans have the most persistence and ambition. They have overcome their weak physical powers through ingenuity; in a few thousand years of existance, maybe less than the Protoss, they have come farther than the Protoss have, proportionally. A naked Protoss can rip a naked human in two, but after a few millenia, they're evenly matched, so given enough time the Terrans will rise above all other races and claim victory.

Rant over.

[vemynal]

*is happy his thread is popular^^*

[Singuris]

The Zerg isn't really that perfect. As a race of war, it is one of the best, but they are all controlled by a single Overmind, who makes decisions that are far from perfect. If the Overmind gets replaced by, let's say, a selfish being with a thirst for power, the Zerg can never rebel against this rule. They're biggest strength becomes their biggest weakness. In essence, the Zerg may have "evolved" and stuff, but they are still essentially the same as when they destroyed the Xel'Naga all those millenia ago.

The Protoss may have started off weaker, "imperfect" as we may put it, but they have learned through their collective and individual mistakes to become a powerful, honourable and non-aggressive people. The Protoss remaining on Shakuras, even though are few in numbers, are much stronger than the original Protoss were on Aiur. If no peoples attacked each other for another hundred years, the Protoss could obliterate anything in the sector.

The Terrans are only human. We'll never really know what will become of them, but of all three races, the Terrans have the most persistence and ambition. They have overcome their weak physical powers through ingenuity; in a few thousand years of existance, maybe less than the Protoss, they have come farther than the Protoss have, proportionally. A naked Protoss can rip a naked human in two, but after a few millenia, they're evenly matched, so given enough time the Terrans will rise above all other races and claim victory.

Rant over.


Definatly agree Terrans are very peresistent also they have ingenuity.

[mc2]

The only problem is that throughout human history there's never ever been a period of unity. Even with Arcturus's inspirational speech, i still think he shouldn't be emporer.

The zerg might never look towards technology, but their strength, unity, reproduction rate and determination is to be admired upon (ok just do not admire the killing part). Remember that the Zerg almost wiped out the Protoss and Terrans entirely in the end of Brood War. They are only organic fighters and can even take on the most advanced technologies in the galaxy.

[reject_666_6]

Oh, gee. So I guess that because they can kill better than the others and are more united killers, they are the "best" race. Killing is not everything life is about. The Zerg fail at life.

[mc2]

Each individual Zerg creature don't really have an aspiration, nor dreams, nor goals, nor culture or whatsoever. Their sheer reason for existence is to serve the overmind. So yeah you're right they have no life :D.
The overmind however had the dream of perfecting the gene pool of the swarm, now that's something great. because the overmind is actually looking to better the swarm as a whole.

[reject_666_6]

The Overmind just got that goal because it absorbed the Xel'Naga's knowledge about the Protoss. If it hadn't done that, it would probably just drift around Zerus forever. :P

[TheDarkTemplar]

Zerg = mindless killers imo.

[mc2]

They are not totally mindless, their thoughts and actions are totally controlled by the Overmind/Cerebrate/Kerrigan. So instead of a mind for each unit, there's a BIG common mind. they can be passive too when the psi disruptor shatters their communication signals.

[TheDarkTemplar]

Ok I may be tooooootally off here, this is just a complete shot in the dark but:

I was reading the history of all the races last night (yea I was bored) and in the Protoss history it talks about the dude that reformed the psychic link between all Protoss, whose name was lost but became known as Khas. Now, fast forward to the secret mission and Duran talking to Zeratul:

I have had many names over the millenia...

I know, I know, it's just pure speculation. But could you imagine if Duran was the Protoss saviour?!

[hillzagold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Fclh0f0Ac&mode=related&search=

it wouldn't feel right without a video link



heh heh, no. at the time of khas, the xel'naga only cared about perfecting the zerg.

[TheDarkTemplar]

I know that, but what if Khas went in search of the Xel'Naga because he felt that the Protoss had now become the race the Xel had always wanted them to be?

[Singuris]

Plausable

[hillzagold]

I know that, but what if Khas went in search of the Xel'Naga because he felt that the Protoss had now become the race the Xel had always wanted them to be?
...if he thought that the protoss were perfect, then why try the hybrid?

[reject_666_6]

You guys don't have to be such perfectionists about it. It's a very plausible idea, and it wouldn't be THAT hard to figure out a reason for Khas to want to go find the Xel.

[TheDarkTemplar]

I know that, but what if Khas went in search of the Xel'Naga because he felt that the Protoss had now become the race the Xel had always wanted them to be?
...if he thought that the protoss were perfect, then why try the hybrid?


I said he felt that the Protoss had become the race the Xel wanted them to be. Maybe upon finding them he realised, or they convinced him, that they were still flawed and he himself became obsessed with the perfect race. It's only a theory, I know it's a long shot!

[coalescence]

I know, I know, it's just pure speculation. But could you imagine if Duran was the Protoss saviour?!


Maybe there was even something bigger and older and was he xel, khas, duran and so much else. Maybe he infiltrated the xel too, manipulating them into doing stuff with races to get them to perfection. Later maybe he became troubled about the link between all the protoss and tried to get it right (because otherwise they wouldn't become anything decent?) and now is trying to combine it now the 2 races are close together. Hell, he maybe even drove the overmind in attacking the xel so they found out where the protoss were living.

[hillzagold]

I know that, but what if Khas went in search of the Xel'Naga because he felt that the Protoss had now become the race the Xel had always wanted them to be?
...if he thought that the protoss were perfect, then why try the hybrid?


I said he felt that the Protoss had become the race the Xel wanted them to be. Maybe upon finding them he realised, or they convinced him, that they were still flawed and he himself became obsessed with the perfect race. It's only a theory, I know it's a long shot!

maybe... but i dont see how they could have done that with the tech they had back then


I know, I know, it's just pure speculation. But could you imagine if Duran was the Protoss saviour?!


Maybe there was even something bigger and older and was he xel, khas, duran and so much else. Maybe he infiltrated the xel too, manipulating them into doing stuff with races to get them to perfection. Later maybe he became troubled about the link between all the protoss and tried to get it right (because otherwise they wouldn't become anything decent?) and now is trying to combine it now the 2 races are close together. Hell, he maybe even drove the overmind in attacking the xel so they found out where the protoss were living.
but he said that he served a greater power, and there would be no reason to lie. so he either serves them or someone we haven't heard of

[CarriersMustReturn]

He's an agent of the Xel' Naga.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

[reject_666_6]

Maybe he himself is the higher power, in which case he's an omnipotent son of a gun! ;D

[hillzagold]

then why not say 'i am' instead of 'i serve'

[reject_666_6]

He might be Lucifer, in which case the "I am many" argument explains why he refers to himself in the third person. :o ;D

[hillzagold]

blackheart: i am legion, for we are many!

(i never actually read the comics...)

[Fenix]

I know, I know, it's just pure speculation. But could you imagine if Duran was the Protoss saviour?!


Maybe there was even something bigger and older and was he xel, khas, duran and so much else. Maybe he infiltrated the xel too, manipulating them into doing stuff with races to get them to perfection. Later maybe he became troubled about the link between all the protoss and tried to get it right (because otherwise they wouldn't become anything decent?) and now is trying to combine it now the 2 races are close together. Hell, he maybe even drove the overmind in attacking the xel so they found out where the protoss were living.


Hm, that's possible too. He seems well practiced at manipulation, considering how well he did two entire races.

And he obviously has a rather driving need to create these hybrids.

Only time will tell.


And the Overmind didn't learn the location of Aiur from the Xel'Naga, it learned it from Zeratul.

[TheDarkTemplar]

Something I found odd to be honest, I mean when the Overmind touched with the Xel'Naga he gained all their knowledge, I would have thought they would know where Aiur was.

[reject_666_6]

He knew where Aiur has, but he thought that the Zerg were no match for the Protoss, given their weak psionic powers, compared to the Protoss' strong psionic powers. So when they got to the Korpulu sector, they found the Terrans and tried successfully to absorb them and their psionic potential (Kerrigan)...

[Singuris]

Exactley right

[hillzagold]

...no. it specifically stated in episode 2 that the overmind learned the location of aiur from zeratul. they wanted the terrans to battle the protoss, but they didn't know where the protoss homeworld was. my guess would be that after the xel decided that the protoss failed, they purged their records and minds of them.

[reject_666_6]

Maybe the Protoss THOUGHT that it had learned it from Zeratul. How would they know anyway? They just attributed the Zerg invasion of Aiur to whatever they could explain. The Overmind absorbed all the knowledge of the Xel when they were destroyed, including the location of Aiur. It says so in one of the prequel books.

[starcraft2iscoming]

Maybe the Protoss THOUGHT that it had learned it from Zeratul.
No. The overmind said we learned to location of Auir when Zeratul touched (More liked sliced the cerabrate to bits) the cerabrate, right after it recovered from its "shock".

[reject_666_6]

Damn inconsistencies! >:(

[TheDarkTemplar]

It's only minor though, really.

I like my idea the more I think about it. But I just thought, if Samir Duran was Khas, why would he call Zeratul "young prodigal." Wouldn't he refer to him as a rebel or something, seeing as Zeratul was one of the ones that didn't conform to the Khala?

[mc2]

Duran is a Xel'Naga disguisted as a human. He called Zeratul a prodigal because his race engineered the Protoss. He joint the UED to set up a situation where the UED is winning. Then turn to Kerrigan and see how would this Terran-Zerg hybrid react and handle the situation. It's all part of their research.

[ShoGun]

I dont think the hybrids will be created for revenge, that is beyond my doubt. Xel'naga seem too sophisticated to worry about silly things like revenge, they seem more like the cold and calculative type... more then willing to cause the death of billions to purify life with stronger aspects.

As for Duran and the xel'naga theory, I think theres something more to him then we all know. Blizzard is notorious for bringing out something that was originally behind closed curtains into their sequels that obviously wasnt planned out that way in the beginning.

[zeratul11]

i dont like hybrids. i hope the 4th race would xelnagas not hybrids. maybe ewoks! heheh

[Singuris]

to bad there is no 4th race and i really doubt the xel'naga will even waste their time with the three races. they might but not yet

[Zeratul]

I dont think the hybrids will be created for revenge, that is beyond my doubt. Xel'naga seem too sophisticated to worry about silly things like revenge, they seem more like the cold and calculative type... more then willing to cause the death of billions to purify life with stronger aspects.

As for Duran and the xel'naga theory, I think theres something more to him then we all know. Blizzard is notorious for bringing out something that was originally behind closed curtains into their sequels that obviously wasnt planned out that way in the beginning.


Duran is what I'm hinging my hopes on for SC2
He seems to me like the big bad boss type.

[hillzagold]

they justy said that there would only be three playable races, burning legion, anyone?

[Singuris]

they justy said that there would only be three playable races, burning legion, anyone?


that would be hilarious

[SirBaron]

It's only minor though, really.

I like my idea the more I think about it. But I just thought, if Samir Duran was Khas, why would he call Zeratul "young prodigal." Wouldn't he refer to him as a rebel or something, seeing as Zeratul was one of the ones that didn't conform to the Khala?

He did mention the rebellious side of Zeratul, as prodigal means someone who "behaved badly or improper" but went away (exile) for a time to return a better person. I think that fits Zeratul, as well as any of his DT people pretty well. :)

[Singuris]

It's only minor though, really.

I like my idea the more I think about it. But I just thought, if Samir Duran was Khas, why would he call Zeratul "young prodigal." Wouldn't he refer to him as a rebel or something, seeing as Zeratul was one of the ones that didn't conform to the Khala?

He did mention the rebellious side of Zeratul, as prodigal means someone who "behaved badly or improper" but went away (exile) for a time to return a better person. I think that fits Zeratul, as well as any of his DT people pretty well. :)




you got an ava now nice choice with tassadar

well anyways i doubt it's khas but it's possible

[SirBaron]

Hehe Tass owns. :)

well yeah Khas is a nice theory but for now no one can't know for sure, duran is hellishly cryptic during the bonus mission :S i remember replaying it several times just to make sure i didn't miss anything

[Dxun]

i just got done playing the secret lvl and during the conversation with Zeratul and Duran...

Duran says that he has had many names over the millennium, that he dose not serve kerrigan but a much greater power of the ages long past, and that the hybrid is the culmination of your (Zeratul) history.

so sounds like the xel'naga to me

[Singuris]

I hope it isn't xel naga i just think it's to early to have them enter well no matter what i'm sure i will be satisfied

[SirBaron]

I hope it isn't xel naga i just think it's to early to have them enter well no matter what i'm sure i will be satisfied

Burning Legion, no doubt about it.

[wolfblood]

Stukov is far cooler than Duran :powerup:

And since im more of a multiplayer i dont have any real theories (better not make a fool out of myself) all i know is that he got possesed and experimented on hybrids. ;)

[Exterranminator]

Burning Legion would suck. It would be like dwarves and elves in Call of Duty. So i believe you are kiddin' with this :)

[ShoGun]

Burning Legion would suck. It would be like dwarves and elves in Call of Duty. So i believe you are kiddin' with this :)


I think SirBaron was comparing the burning legion to the xel naga in the way they could enter the storyline of starcraft 2.

[SirBaron]

Burning Legion would suck. It would be like dwarves and elves in Call of Duty. So i believe you are kiddin' with this :)

Hahaha :) yeah, i just couldn't help but crack that one since blizzard is known to use the same concept of one franchise in another (good character falls to evil and becomes corrupted for example - arthas and kerrigan)

[Dxun]

Stukov is far cooler than Duran


but stukov dosnt have his on thread thank you very much sir :P

[Exterranminator]

"Duran? You son of a b***ch. Whats the meaning of this?" ;D

[proswimma]

The first time i played BW i liked duran. But after he shot stukov i was like MOTHER F* :-X :bad:

[mc2]

Duran is a servant of the Xel'Naga. He deceived everyone and setup a situation where Kerrigan would win against all other factions. Then he needed to study closely the effects of a Terran/Zerg hybrid. So he can master the mechanisms of a Protoss/Zerg hybrid.

[Dxun]

Duran will probably show up as the leader of some unstoppable hybrid army and kerrigan/raynor/zeratul will join forces to destroy him and kerrigan will get killed in the process and everyone lives happily ever after

[Singuris]

except for jim

[hillzagold]

Duran will probably show up as the leader of some unstoppable hybrid army and kerrigan/raynor/zeratul will join forces to destroy him and kerrigan will get killed in the process and everyone lives happily ever after
dont foget, he will have a terran army as well, like in WC 3, where you fought burning legion and the scourge

[PowerkickasS]

i cant believe i havent noticed this thread this whole time O_O
yay for hybrid creeps
someone like duran cant be defeated. someone that intelligent and supernatural is....uncounterable
and rest assured that whoever he's following obviously would be the most dominant species the that moment, and joins forces with everyone else to keep track, and probably to collect test subjects too lol.
what's a bit of an odd behaviour is why he would personally explain to zeratul a portion of his scheme? a rather naive action to take for such a superior intellectual

[SirBaron]

i cant believe i havent noticed this thread this whole time O_O
yay for hybrid creeps
someone like duran cant be defeated. someone that intelligent and supernatural is....uncounterable

He is his own worst enemy.

[SirBaron]

and rest assured that whoever he's following obviously would be the most dominant species the that moment, and joins forces with everyone else to keep track, and probably to collect test subjects too lol.
what's a bit of an odd behaviour is why he would personally explain to zeratul a portion of his scheme? a rather naive action to take for such a superior intellectual

Maybe he knows Zeratul cannot stop him. Nothing like a good goading sometimes i suppose.

[PowerkickasS]

lol did like tassadar teach him that lesson as well? :P
and that would only happen when he chooses
and feelings and instincts are unnecessary
i mean of course blizzard needs a method of getting the other idea out but his remark seriously contradicted his personality

EDIT: err OK!

[SirBaron]

lol did like tassadar teach him that lesson as well? :P
and that would only happen when he chooses
and feelings and instincts are unnecessary
i mean of course blizzard needs a method of getting the other idea out but his remark seriously contradicted his personality

EDIT: err OK!

Underestimate your enemy/overestimate yourself - you are your own enemy. Kerrigan was naive to think Tassadar would show up in person - Fenix was naive to think that he could just brush off Kerrigan's betrayal when it finally came.

[paragon]

Duran is a great evil person (better than the rest of them (Mengsk, Kerrigan, etc...) because he is devious. He'll definitely return in SC2 and probably have those hybrids he talked about.
But, I don't like him cause he killed Stukov and Stukov is cooler than Duran.

[Itsmyship]

Stukov > all. I'm still waiting for the ressurection of Stukov Blizzard....you just can't kill such an awesome character :good:

Blizzard has a thing for making pilots Russian...Stukov, Cruiser commander, and Valkyrie pilots all happen to be Russian...don't matter to me though, I always imagined earth's greatest general or pilot to have a Russian accent ;)

[paragon]

valks are German.
cruiser is Mexican
stukov is Argentinian.

[Itsmyship]

Stukov is definitely Russian...just the name, Alexei Stukov, gives it away. Also, in the cinematic that starts out Brood War, Dugalle tells him that his vodka can wait. I know every race drinks vodka, but as we all know its associated largely with Russia ^_^

[paragon]

I mean his voice is by a guy from Argentina. A guy with a very distinguished voice.
Anyways, the greatest pilots are the Wraiths and they are American.

[Itsmyship]

Really? Huh...this adds a whole new perspective to everything =P Neh, I still like the idea of all our pilots being either Russian or reminding me of Top Gun :)

[alucardx]

When I played SC BrooWar the last time,,, I remembered that :

*Protoss and Zerg where created by Xel´Naga,,
*Protoss and Zerg are different faces of Xel´Naga nature,,,
*The secret mission is about a Protoss/Zerg hybrid
*Duran claims to serve an ancient power...
*Duran was never really an "infested Duran"... Kerrigan never ha control over him
*The Xel´Naga race wasn´t really exterminated

So, based on those facts, I really think that Duran is somekind of servant of Xel´Naga survivors, that´s why he knows all about zerg and protoss ( he refers to zeratul as young??? ). One question is still in the air... Duran´s initial human ( or terran ) form... Well, I think it´s because he just can´t say, Hey, I´m a Xel´Naga agent, my name is Duran,, how are you doin´after all this years???...

I dont´t know if he is coming back for SC2 but I´m sure that the secret mission on SC1 is somehow tellin´ us some of the argument for the new game

For Auir

AlucardX

[paragon]

When I played SC BrooWar the last time,,, I remembered that :

*Protoss and Zerg where created by Xel´Naga,,
*Protoss and Zerg are different faces of Xel´Naga nature,,,
*The secret mission is about a Protoss/Zerg hybrid
*Duran claims to serve an ancient power...
*Duran was never really an "infested Duran"... Kerrigan never ha control over him
*The Xel´Naga race wasn´t really exterminated

So, based on those facts, I really think that Duran is somekind of servant of Xel´Naga survivors, that´s why he knows all about zerg and protoss ( he refers to zeratul as young??? ). One question is still in the air... Duran´s initial human ( or terran ) form... Well, I think it´s because he just can´t say, Hey, I´m a Xel´Naga agent, my name is Duran,, how are you doin´after all this years???...

Yeah thats the most likely thing.


I dont´t know if he is coming back for SC2 but I´m sure that the secret mission on SC1 is somehow tellin´ us some of the argument for the new game

I'm sure he's coming back. They wouldn't just have him show up in the expansion and then have him disappear and not come back in the sequel.

[Arachanox]

I can say with almost 100% accuracy that Samir Duran will be making a comeback in Starcraft 2. After that great speech in 'Dark Origin', how can he not come back? Seriously, if I don't start seeing Protoss/Zerg hybrids at least in the storyline of SC2, that means that there's going to have to be a SC3.

On second thought, yay. Forget hybrids, let Blizzard be forced to make another sequel! ^^

[paragon]

But if they don't have hybrids and Duran in SC2 then the story will feel stagnant. I want the SC2 story to take some very interesting twists in terms involving duran, xel'naga, and hybrids.

[Arachanox]

You can bet that our Xel'naga friends will come back, either in Mysterious Temple Powers form, Knowledge of Hybridization with Samir Duran form, or best of all, Xel'naga fleets descending upon the zerg! ^^

I prefer the fleets returning to obliterate Kerrigan.

-Kerrigan: Who the heck are you guys?
-Xel'naga: We are the Xel'naga who once ruled hundreds of thousands of worlds in this part of the universe.
-Kerrigan: Well I own this land now.
-Xel'naga: Too bad. Leave or we'll completely annihilate you by burning your entire planet to smoking embers. Remember; we created the Zerg. We put you into this world and we can take you (and the world itself) out!

[SirBaron]

You can bet that our Xel'naga friends will come back, either in Mysterious Temple Powers form, Knowledge of Hybridization with Samir Duran form, or best of all, Xel'naga fleets descending upon the zerg! ^^

I prefer the fleets returning to obliterate Kerrigan.

-Kerrigan: Who the heck are you guys?
-Xel'naga: We are the Xel'naga who once ruled hundreds of thousands of worlds in this part of the universe.
-Kerrigan: Well I own this land now.
-Xel'naga: Too bad. Leave or we'll completely annihilate you by burning your entire planet to smoking embers. Remember; we created the Zerg. We put you into this world and we can take you (and the world itself) out!

-Kerrigan: Well gee, gents, i am the Queen ***** of the Universe and...
-Xel'Naga: Does it look like we give a crap? *places bugtrap on the ground*
*ZAP*
-Xel'Naga: Pwnt.
-Xel'Naga2: Damn!
*gives him 5 bucks*

[hillzagold]

no, no, you got it all wrong

kerrigan: all zerg, attack that ship!
*a brazillion mutas attak the xel'naga ship*
xel'naga: *snicker* i cant believe they fell for it again!
xel'naga2:ahahhahaha, when-ahah, when do you-ahahaha, when do you think they'll notice it's a hologram?
xel'naga: *in an old man voice* oh, countless millennia from now
*both burst out laughing*
xel'naga2: aha, ok, wanna kill her now?
xel'naga: sure
*a giant lazor kills all the zerg*

[PowerkickasS]

jesus: the universe has suffered your treachery long enough!
*a lightning bolt strikes the temple and the universe blows up*
*respawns* -big bang-

[ImaGiNe.]

I doubt Duran is a Xel'Naga servant because look at the fact that he is rewiring Xel'Naga creations, the Zerg/Protoss hybrid? Come on! The Xel'Naga could've done that long ago as they strived to make the perfect form. I feel certain that Duran belongs to some other ancient and unspoken power.

[paragon]

I doubt Duran is a Xel'Naga servant because look at the fact that he is rewiring Xel'Naga creations, the Zerg/Protoss hybrid? Come on! The Xel'Naga could've done that long ago as they strived to make the perfect form. I feel certain that Duran belongs to some other ancient and unspoken power.

Except for the small problem that they both attacked the Xel'Naga when they were trying to leave. They probably though of it later.

[ImaGiNe.]

Wait... what? That did not have much to do with what I said, unless I read it wrong.

[Itsmyship]

jesus: the universe has suffered your treachery long enough!
*a lightning bolt strikes the temple and the universe blows up*
*respawns* -big bang-


Hahaha, nice one Power....apparently Jesus plays starcraft too :P

[ImaGiNe.]

I looked up Jesus's stats on Battle.net and came up with this

Wins - Losses - Draws
Let he who is without sin throw the first stone - I forgive them - 0

[PowerkickasS]

what a n00b! even god can do better than he :D
oh wait...

[paragon]

Wait... what? That did not have much to do with what I said, unless I read it wrong.

Meaning the Xel'Naga probably thought of the idea to combine the two races after the zerg attacked them and killed a lot of them.

[hillzagold]

no, the xel had already thought of the protosss as failed. it wasn't until now that they saw potential in them once more

[paragon]

no, the xel had already thought of the protosss as failed. it wasn't until now that they saw potential in them once more

that's basically what I just said.

[hillzagold]

oh, i knew that....

[GuiMontag]

Duran is probably serving a almighty creature that watched as the XelNaga created the protoss and zerg, and now wants some awsome minions..

[DontHate]

i think he is a xel'nagian, and he's trying to bring back his race?

[didd293]

it's not that complicated people, Duran's just an ***hole cuz he killed Stukov

[Lemonparty]

He's not Terran for sure, except if now Terran are immune to Zergs mind control/can't desinfest whenever they want and live for millenia.

I too think he's some kind of Xel'Naga

[Goliath Online]

Yeah, f*** duran... he killed Stukov :(

[CodyFallsForth]

The way i see it...

Duran-lol hai guyz!
Raynor-wtf duran where have you been?
kerri-wtf have you been doing?
zeratul-dude Duran has hax, hes got lings with shields
raynor-no fair i want hax
kerri-oh s***
Duran-lol GG n00bz

[paragon]

i think they'd be hydralisks with shields. but hydralisks that can stab too.
or they'd be a mix between zergs and protoss and have shields. *cough* elites *cough* from halo *cough*

[silky2007]

U guys forgot about one thing ... that the Xel'Naga where the one's who impowered the protoss with there psionic powers of the Khala ...

[Dxun]

it's not that complicated people, Duran's just an ***hole cuz he killed Stukov
Don't hate the playa, hate the game. :P


Paragon hopefully blizzard will be alittle more creative with the hybrids, but who knows maybe we'll get a glimpse of one at blizcon *preys* :upset:

[Dreadnought]

Expansion pack anyone? They are keeping them out of the picture for a while until they have had time to grow :p

[ShoGun]

I doubt Duran is a Xel'Naga servant because look at the fact that he is rewiring Xel'Naga creations, the Zerg/Protoss hybrid? Come on! The Xel'Naga could've done that long ago as they strived to make the perfect form. I feel certain that Duran belongs to some other ancient and unspoken power.

To satisfy your claim I would have to say that another race also created by the Xel'Naga are responsible for merging the Zerg and Protoss traits together in an attempt to finish their creator's ultimate intentions, and Duran is one of them. I doubt it though, it makes the most sense for Duran to either be a Xel'Naga, or working with the Xel'Naga. Why?

Quoted Duran in the Dark Origin mission of Brood War, "I am a servant of a far greater power, a power that has slept for countless ages, and is reflected in the creature within that cell."

Although Duran is speaking very cryptic, it can't get anymore obvious who he is working for then that.

[GuiMontag]

perhaps the great power has no physical form, and is going to use the hybrid as a body.

[Lemonparty]

I wanna play a cloaked Ultralisks with lazer rays with psionic blades instead of Tusks and that can cast spells and that can fly

[mc2]

^ What has ultralisk's attack ability got to do with Samir Duran? ^

Back on the discussion, ShoGun suggested that the Xel'Naga created another races which Duran is part of to finish the hybrid experiment. In that case, that "race" has the ability to disguise themselves as Terrans, as well as choose to be infested or de-infested at any time they wish.

[supersonic159]

I think that Duran IS indeed Xel'Naga because the Xel'Naga's goal is to create a perfect race to reflect the perfectness of them. Now Duran says: "I am a servant of a far greater power, a power that has slept for countless ages, and is reflected in the creature within that cell." now if it is a reflection then it has to mean that he works for the Xel'Naga. I believe that he has been given some of the Xel'Naga's powers so that he could easily slip in and get these hybrids made.

[Lemonparty]

^ What has ultralisk's attack ability got to do with Samir Duran? ^



Hybrids are kewl!

[CapMan]

idk, i think he does have the whole hybrid thing down but i still think he is a true zerg in the heart, but then agian he could have ties with the xel'naga. but then that brings up the question on how he got the terran gear and how he has the ghost powers?

[mc2]

That could possible lead the the possibility that Terrans are also / have been engineered by the Xel'Naga.....IMHO I do not want that to be the case.

Let's not forgot that from Kerrigan's point of view, Duran started off as a Terran. So if Duran is the Xel'Naga, he has the powers to "Not let Kerrigan sense his true identity". Given the fact that Kerrigan is the most psionically powerful Terran ever, and her psionic power further increased after the the infiltration of a science vessel. She cannot detect Duran's true identity. And when Duran "disappeared" from Kerrigan, she could not sense where he is. So his powers are far greater than that of Kerrigan's. Hence we should rule out that theory that he is a Zerg at heart. If he's really a Zerg at heart, then he won't be able to move away from Kerrigan's influence.

[Itsmyship]

Also, the Xel'Naga are supposed to be in the highest form of evolution, and can quite possibly go beyond natural limits. They might even be able to go as far as turning themselves into energy, and thus be able to structure themselves into whatever they want.

Hehe, I'm no Physicist, so sorry if my theory is incorrect in many ways :P

[Star-Crap]

stukov should make a return and keep it real on samir

[Itsmyship]

Hell yeah he better return!! Nothing can beat a Raynor/Stukov team :good:

[vemynal]

omg, i haven't been to this site in a few months, i can't believe how awesome it has become!

and i can't believe my thread is still alive! I'm planning to go through and read the theories that I've missed out on now^^

good to be back^^

[AnArchY]

I wouldn't say Kerrigan has the best psionic capabilities of any Terran EVER, remember the terrans in the Korpulu sector were all criminals and outcasts, I bet money that the UED has got some freaks with more mental power and/or potential than her, she however may be the most powerful now since the Zerg infested her, but in that case she doesn't count as a Terran anymore, You've gotta judge them by their psionic levels without the Zerg revealing their potential to its fullest, because only she(and stukov to a lesser) level have been infested to have these potentials revealed, but stukov wasn't even fully infested so yeah).

Also forget Raynor, Stukov would probably go off on his own at 1st and maybe later link up with Raynor again.

[GuiMontag]

actually isnt it only the genetically enginered that can have psionic powers?? especially since the UED murdered millions of people that were 'unpure'