Re: How will StarCraft 2 affect professional players?

[paragon]

Pro Korean gamers get hot girls.
Unfortunately, I am American so being a Pro Gamer would not have these perks.

[Bumbaloe]

You used the wrong affect/effect! ZOMUHFUHGAW! You said effected. Effect is a noun. Affect is a verb.

[ZeiDjon]

I think that blizzard will after a few patches have the game in a really good balance, and i think that most of the Pro players will make the change, i dont think that it is because they are masterminds of ûber strategy that they are so good, but simple because they are so determined to train, and practice so they know all about the game, i read in one of the articles about a pro player, that he would play it for 10 hours every day, hehe damn and that is for 10 years....

I think they will make the change to the new game...who wouldnt... ;)

ZeiDjon

[paragon]

Thats 36480 hours :O
I've played about 400 hours of StarCraft total.

[ZeiDjon]

Here is the link to the pro gamer... ;)

ZeiDjon

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/games/in-a-blizzard-of-warfare/2007/06/02/1180205566519.html

[PowerkickasS]

progamers are gonna be earning so much in sc2 =O

btw

ZOMUHFUHGAW!

that is awesome lol


Here is the link to the pro gamer... ;)
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/games/in-a-blizzard-of-warfare/2007/06/02/1180205566519.html

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Frost]

That's IT i'm becoming a progamer, just watch... you'll see me at a WWI one day and you'll be like :o holy crap it's Frost!!! and i'll wink at the camera and say "YEAAA". I will also get endorsed by Pizza pockets and just continue to eat them all day while i embarass the korean kids

[PowerkickasS]

im hoping that the cgs will include some rts, gotta start beefing up the western skills....at least till they could at least even have a chance of winning a match vs korea's top 10 when playing at their best

[shirija]

I wonder if they would dim down the potential air time of starcraft 2 so the impact on starcraft and warcraft 3. I know that when it's a slow day for warcraft 3 replays I go back to watching starcraft, it may be the same case with starcraft 2. With a bit of market research, they could maximize the income of all three games if they don't give too quickly in to the temptation of the new sensation. Demand affects supply, but demand can't control supply!

[PowerkickasS]

whatever they do, just hope they dont dont overprice their merchandise please!

[drewcbarnard]

I have already reserved my copy of SC2 on EBGames.com for $60 total with overnight shipping and everything included. The only problem now is the wait. :( It's kind of hard to believe the Battlechest for the original Starcraft with Broodwar is only selling for $10. But then again, price isn't really my issue when it comes to Blizzard games.

[paragon]

I thought about preordering starcraft 2 but I recently preordered world in conflict and that comes out considerably sooner. So I'll do it later for starcraft 2. Maybe they'll have some further incentive to preorder like with world in conflict where you are guaranteed a spot in the beta.

[drewcbarnard]

Is that deal with respect to the Beta still going on for world in conflict?

[paragon]

Is that deal with respect to the Beta still going on for world in conflict?

Yep. http://www.worldinconflict.com/preorder/index.html

[[LightMare]]

it's still the same basic rts game

[Kae]

In my opinion to the topic, I think most of the South Korean pro players will move onto SC2 (Please let me be one of them lol) mainly for change of strategies and new way to play, instead of just playing for cash. They are motivated enough to go on to try new things and see if it's worth becoming pro at, and if not...than they will certainly move back to StarCraft

[drewcbarnard]

Thanks paragon!

[Remy]

After a few initial patches to get out the kinks, and a little time to make sure SC2 is balanced for the most part, Korea will surely move onto SC2.  I said Korea, not pro players.  Because it really is Korea's decision, not so much the individual progamer's.  Once that's in motion, no one will look back to SC1.  And when the expansion comes out(you know there will be one, guaranteed), the Korean pro leagues will all jump on that as well. 

That's just how Korea works.  Very few Koreans are genetically capable of resisting the hot and new "in" thing, so long as it's within their range of interests.  We are big suckers to fads and group mentality.  Even though Koreans on average have less financial income than Americans, they switch out to the newest $500 cell phone so often like you wouldn't believe.  Even little kids all have nice ass phones.

You can rest assured that the pro leagues and also the progamers themselves won't be able to hold out for too long while heated games of SC2 are taking place in internet cafes all over the country.

[PowerkickasS]

yeah
especially not starcraft 2 anyways :P

[paragon]

That's just how Korea works. Very few Koreans are genetically capable of resisting the hot and new "in" thing, so long as it's within their range of interests. We are big suckers to fads and group mentality.

So you are Korean?
I know a few Koreans and some of them are just like that.

[Remy]

So you are Korean?
I know a few Koreans and some of them are just like that.


Yes, I am Korean American.

[paragon]

Then you must have a natural inclination towards starcraft and being good at it.

[PowerkickasS]

LOL
too bad the american part of you would rebalance your skills :P
i hope starcraft2 will bring back life to protoss proness. it's been at an all time low

[paragon]

I hope starcraft 2 adds some more units (which it seems to be by looking at the protoss) because the unit combinations in SC can get dull as there are not that many units.

[PowerkickasS]

one time i saw a korean playing protoss
he was MASS-CLICKING ATTACK SO MUCH with his dragoon that it kept stuttering and didnt shoot....

[paragon]

one time i saw a korean playing protoss
he was MASS-CLICKING ATTACK SO MUCH with his dragoon that it kept stuttering and didnt shoot....

Or he was microing so fast that you couldn't even see the attacks from the dragoons anymore. His speed was so great that he transcended the game's supposed limits.

[PowerkickasS]

z0mg i want his hands and brain

[Remy]

I don't think being Korean effects how good you are at SC, I know people are just kidding about this.

I think a lot of Koreans are good because of the culture in Korea.  The competitive level as well as interest is huge, so the average skill level is higher.  Which in turn, raises everyone's skill level even further.

Another game that I used to have a big interest in and played a lot of, and also something Koreans have a reputation of being good at, was Tekken.  Even though it's made by Japan(Namco), they don't have much interest in the game there, so they suck at it.  But Korea is known as the Tekken mecca because of the huge interest there.  Since it's easy to find competition, everyone gets better fast.  Hell, everyone between the age 10 and 20 plays Tekken and SC in Korea, EVERYONE.

I think it comes down to how much interest someone has in a game, and how much competition they can get their hands on.  If everyone around you shares the same interest, you can hold that interest at the greatest intensity for a long time, especially if basically your whole country shares that interest.

I don't know about being Korean making me good at anything, but I'm certainly blessed with an ass load of game crazed friends.  Games, basketball, cigarettes, and alcohol make up most of the memories of my teenager and young adult years, all of which I shared with friends.

[lxleightlxl]

Well I'm certainly hoping SC2 won't require less skill than SC1. That's what makes the game so fun and exciting, having to use your own skill to decide the outcome of the game. If SC2 is designed to be more user friendly, or almost plays itself, it will ruin Star Craft. I won't be surprised if people stick to SC1 if SC2 is a let down as far as using your skill is concerned. We can only hope that the pros will be demanding of the skill factor. And beings they get to play test the game, I'm sure it will be much like the original when it's all said and done.

[paragon]

Well I'm certainly hoping SC2 won't require less skill than SC1. That's what makes the game so fun and exciting, having to use your own skill to decide the outcome of the game. If SC2 is designed to be more user friendly, or almost plays itself, it will ruin Star Craft. I won't be surprised if people stick to SC1 if SC2 is a let down as far as using your skill is concerned. We can only hope that the pros will be demanding of the skill factor. And beings they get to play test the game, I'm sure it will be much like the original when it's all said and done.

They also want it to be the ultimate competitive RTS so they won't dumb it down.

[drewcbarnard]

Blizzard is not going to release anything that plays itselft, especially SC2.

[paragon]

Blizzard is not going to release anything that plays itselft, especially SC2.

WoW plays itself.
WC3 plays itself.
But no, SC2 wont.

[lxleightlxl]

Pro gamers who have built up their state-of-art skills over the years may find their edge dissipated with the new version. Game channels and professional teams also face a tough choice over when -- or whether -- they should migrate to the sequel, and abandon the successful, still-dominant original.

"There's high expectation for 'StarCraft II,"' said Je Hun-ho, director at Korea e-Sports Association. "However, whether it can succeed as an e-sport is yet to be seen. Users will make that call."

That is a pretty clear statement that SC2 may not require as much skill and may "play itself". Hun-Ho did say whether or not it will be able to be an e-sport is yet to be seen, so this indicates it really could go either way and even he isn't sure right now. But like i said, I'm sure it will be much like SC1;Especially with these Korean pro gamers play testing it and making sure it is balanced and meets their needs.

[paragon]

Pro gamers who have built up their state-of-art skills over the years may find their edge dissipated with the new version. Game channels and professional teams also face a tough choice over when -- or whether -- they should migrate to the sequel, and abandon the successful, still-dominant original.

"There's high expectation for 'StarCraft II,"' said Je Hun-ho, director at Korea e-Sports Association. "However, whether it can succeed as an e-sport is yet to be seen. Users will make that call."

That is a pretty clear statement that SC2 may not require as much skill and may "play itself".

No it's not...

[lxleightlxl]

lol do you know how to comprehend English? "Pro gamers who have built up their state-of-art skills over the years may find their edge dissipated with the new version." If you don't understand what that means, I really feel for you.

[lxleightlxl]

Look up the word dissipated if you seriously don't know what it means. And if you still think that isn't a clear statement as to the loss of required skill in SC2, you're either really that dense upstairs or your being stubborn.

[paragon]

I comprehend English perfectly fine.
That sentence means that StarCraft 2 will not be an exact copy of StarCraft so the skills they used in StarCraft (a lot of which was memorizing what the exact counters should be, what unit damage, speed, hp, armor, upgrades, time to get, etc...) are not going to be that helpful generally.
It certainly does not make it 'perfectly clear' that StarCraft 2 may not require as much skill and may "play itself."

The period always goes inside the quote in English by the way.

And use the edit button, don't double post. Thanks

[drewcbarnard]

lol do you know how to comprehend English? "Pro gamers who have built up their state-of-art skills over the years may find their edge dissipated with the new version." If you don't understand what that means, I really feel for you.


Duh...it's like if you played pacman for the past 10 years, and all of the sudden you play pacman 2 for the first time, of course your edge will be somewhat dissapated, but eventually they will own @ SC2 and it will most likely make the transition into e-sports. It's just an obvious statement that he is making. Besides, how the hell is he going to know whether SC2 plays itself or not? Last time I checked SC2 isnt going to be out for another year or so and Je Hun-ho works for the Korean e-sports, not for Blizzard. :bad:

[lxleightlxl]

lol wow you kids are funny, you really are. Learn to be more social and try and understand you don't have to turn everything into an online debate to try and boost your obviously insecure ego. No my friend, you obviously don't understand English otherwise you would be able to comprehend what he is saying in his statement. Saying that you will need different tactics in a different game is a given. Of course you will need different tactics, why state the obvious? Go read the interviews on THIS site from the gaming magazines. Chris even states the game will be more user friendly and play itself to a degree. Get your facts straight before you try and make a point, one with no ground or substance by the way. Now I know you can't resist an attempt to redeem yourself to look "cool" for all your internet buds, so go ahead and waste some more of your time typing out another feeble minded paragraph of grammatical filth. Make some real friends and maybe you will develop normal human like behavior so situations like these won't occur so periodically.

By the way, I'll double post as much as I want. And if you don't like it, you can kiss my ass :)

[lxleightlxl]

Here's my double post, you know what to do ;)

Don't expect a reply to whatever childish nonsense you come up with to try and coerce me into further continuing this petty debate. I'm sure getting in the last word will make you feel like a tough guy. I'm sure it will make you feel so unbelievably cool. So go ahead and stoop to that level, humor me some more. Well it's been fun making a fool out of you, you're pretty decent at doing that yourself though wouldn't you say? Carry on


Edit by sc2forums: Permanent Ban for double posting :)

[burkid]

lol do you know how to comprehend English? "Pro gamers who have built up their state-of-art skills over the years may find their edge dissipated with the new version." If you don't understand what that means, I really feel for you.

all thats saying is they wont have TEN YEARS OF EXPERIENCE behind them when it comes out. THATS what it means.

[drewcbarnard]

ummm...ok

[PowerkickasS]

lxleightlxl = courageous tragic hero who tried rebelling against the corrupt government run by drug dealers :D

[paragon]

Except he wasn't a hero, the "government" isn't corrupt, and there are no drugs.

Back on topic: I bet most professional players will start playing starcraft 2 also.

[burkid]

Except he wasn't a hero, the "government" isn't corrupt, and there are no drugs.

Back on topic: I bet most professional players will start playing starcraft 2 also.

i agree, if nothing else, they are probably getting bored of the original, competivly playing it for 10 years.

[paragon]

Well I think they will still play starcraft but then edge over to starcraft 2 and within a few years possibly just play starcraft 2.

[Remy]

My own guess is that it won't even take a few years. Korea will make the transition within the first or second year of release, tops.

[paragon]

Oh yeah definitely. But the real question is whether or not the playing of starcraft 1 will sharply decline or if it will be more shallow.

[Remy]

It would be "sharply decline" if we are still talking about Korea.

Most Korean teens and young adults don't buy most of the games they play, they just play them at internet cafes. Even MMORPGs, they play them at internet cafes. They spend money on games they play, just not in the purchase of any retail boxes.

Internet cafes will all have SC2 installed within the first two weeks of release, if even that long, due to business competition. There is a huge abundance of internet cafes there in Korea. When SC2 is readily available to give a shot at, and you're the biggest ***** if you aren't down with what everyone else in your school(the rest of the country actually) plays, rest assured that you would find yourself playing SC2.

The only way it could happen any other way in Korea would be if SC2 had major issues at launch or if it just plain sucked. But I don't see that happening.

[GuiMontag]

i think that sc2 will be taken up fairly fast be the competitive industry because of all the neat stuff that blizzard will be implementing for them, making it much more entertaining to watch on tv than sc1. Also, every1 loves nice graphics :P

[Tym29]

I think there will be a sharp decline in SC1 play no matter how good or bad SC2 is received. If SC2 is great everyone who loved SC1 will buy it pretty quick. If its bad I don’t see anyone going back to the original. Bad sequels have a way of deflating the popularity of an entire franchise. Especially after all these years.
I think everyone in Korea will have the game the week its out. My Korean friends always surprise me with their “resourceful file sharing” techniques. Right, Remy? ;D

[Remy]

Why, I know of no such thing. Whatever might you be talking about!? ???

I am completely clueless. :no:

[Tym29]

Well maybe its just the guys I know but they always have the newest software before anyone else even has a chance to hit the store…. I’m not condoning or condemning just an awed observer.

[paragon]

I bet every internet cafe in korea will have starcraft 2 within the first 2 days.

[Zergme]

well pro gammers will just have to adjust to starcraft 2 lol idk i think it wouldent be to hard to adjust but i dont know alot lol