Terrans the WORST race???

[Orcanash]

I know this is long, so please bear with me. With what blizzard has revealed so far about the protoss and the zerg, i can't help but feel like terrans are getting the short end of the stick. I know blizzard has a lot of experience in balancing rts games and that they brought in pro gamers to help test the balance issues and this game is geared toward the pro gamer, so it has to be as balanced as possible, but they do get it wrong sometimes (such as druid of the talon vs orc in wc3). This is the beef i have with the matchups:

Terran vs Protoss:
To put it simply, terrans are screwed. Organic units are just as useless as in the first starcraft because the medics cant heal fast enough to be of any help and ghosts only come late game and have no useful ability besides lockdown, and thats situational. you generally only built 1 - 3 marines to take care of that pesky worker they sent to scout you. that left the factory units. vultures and siege tanks were your bread and butter, with goliaths coming later as the carriers came. they were the only units that could inflict enough damage fast enough and be effective. theres now one problem with this: immortals. sige tanks, or whatever those things were that got killed by the immortals in the demo, are confirmed to be in the game and were shown to be worthless against immortals. we all know that the balancing isnt finished yet and that they cheated in the demo, but they cheated on the mothership energy and stuff like that, why would they have a reason to cheat on immortals killing siege tanks? and assuming vultures or something like them are still in the game, those would be worthless too (im assuming that the mines are strong enough to set of the immortals special shield). the new dark carrier the protoss have also perfectly counters the terrans. it has that shield that blocks ground to air attacks, making goliaths useless. so if goliaths and other ground units are useless against them, the only other choice is to mass air to air units. but wait, the protoss have the pheonix. the pheonix has the immolate thing. who could ask for anything more to take out masses of air units. so basically, reavers and stalkers own barracks units, immortals own factory units, carriers own all but mass air and pheonixes own mass air. and their units can teleport and the charge helps the zealot to the siege tanks faster. any questions? im not even going to mention psionic storm or if they have a unit with the disruption web the corsair had in the first one to neutralize static defenses.

Terran vs Zerg:
This is going to be shorter because we havent seen much about either of these two races, but it seems terran strategy is screwed again. why even bother to use the marine medic firebat combination anymore, when they can just morph to banelings and blow your marines up in one shot. id like to see a medic try to heal that. and siege tanks are useless yet again against the zerg. why be in siege mode at all? they dont have to take the pot shots and run up to you, they just open up a nydus worm within the minimum firing range of the tanks and let loose the zerglings unharmed. what? you have support for the tanks? send banelings through instead and nothings gonna survive.

Protoss vs Zerg:
I know this isnt about terran, but instead of dropping dragoons or siege tanks on a cliff behind an enemys mineral patch, just tech hard to stalkers, run to the enemies base, and teleport up the cliff and proceed to take out whatever you want to.

I know we havent really seen anything of the other two races. All im saying is terran had better get some sweet units, maybe some really cheap units, but at the very least a hard counter to this crap. Blizzard, plz step up and make the terran awesome. I know you can do it.

[PowerkickasS]

oh im sure they will :) as mentioned in the other threads it's impossible to compare anything atm.

however i thought protoss was the worse race out of the 3 lol. for pros anyways. unless very very very late game. and terrans were the best if you know how to manage and zerg has the most potential left to develop. well in my opinions anyways lol. but terrans were so hard to control "perfectly", especially for non-pro players....all the confuzzle with seperating medics from men and everything else, and barracks building so quickly you had to have super apm in order to maintain your macro after spending all your efforts in the micro to keep your army alive and efficient~!

i really hope they make terrans slightly more user friendly ^_^ maybe a unit that isnt all too useless massed by themselves lol (zergs = hydralisks, protoss = dragoons) (terran = goliaths?)

[MrFrancko]

I have so much faith in Blizzard it's silly. I can't say that about any other game developer but lets face it, they have the only perfect track record in gaming right now aside from maybe Bungie; though they are sell outs. I believe Blizzard will build off what they have learned about RTS in the past 10 years and from their experience in pro-gaming, in order to make the most balanced and easy/fun game to play ever.

[capthavic]

It is far too early to compare since we only know about 25% (or less) of the other two and everything is subject to change.

[Ych9]

Well, this is SC2, not Sc1.

One thing that is for sure is, that Protoss in Sc2 does seem very strong and imbalance. Imbalance that is, if you put them against any race in SC1. Simply put, Protoss in Sc2 will wipe the ground against either Terran or Zerg in Sc1. But this is SC2 we are talking about. We basically know all the cool new toys that Protoss has recieved. But, we know basically nothing about the Terran and Zerg.

So don't worry, everything is going to be fine. Once Blizzard releases more info about Terran and Zerg, I'm sure we won't have to worry about this issue.

[[LightMare]]

don't double post. terrans aren't the worst. there IS NO WORST! they are all equal

[proswimma]

It is way too early to be saying stuff like this since we have no idea what the terrans are gona have. They may end up with the hybrid and drop the hammer on everyone :P

[eclipse]

haha, and we did see the power of the nuke in the demo =P

[proswimma]

yea that too. THEY COME DOWN SO FAST X_X

[Ych9]

Errr, how did I make a double post.
Does anyone know how to delete it?

[proswimma]

only a mod can delete it (im guessing) and if they do you lose like 50 minerals or something like that.

[MrFrancko]

Errr, how did I make a double post.
Does anyone know how to delete it?

I was having some problems posting the other day. I had to reload the page and it would post it twice if I sent it again. I've had to go back and delete a few. Just hit remove at the top of your post.

[Ych9]

Errr, how did I make a double post.
Does anyone know how to delete it?

I was having some problems posting the other day. I had to reload the page and it would post it twice if I sent it again. I've had to go back and delete a few. Just hit remove at the top of your post.


Thanks alot. :powerup:
I just deleted it.

[paragon]

Hahahaha we don't even know most of what the terrans have. This is pure conjecture and not grounded in any actual facts. No offense but Blizzard will balance the game.

[[LightMare]]

i like the timer for the nuke. in the demo, there were 2 red rectangles that got closer to the center of the designated point. and when they reached the middle, boom shaka laka!

[paragon]

i like the timer for the nuke. in the demo, there were 2 red rectangles that got closer to the center of the designated point. and when they reached the middle, boom shaka laka!

Or rather there were three red triangles. But yes, it was cool.

[Piretes]

I have to agree that if TvP strategy is going to be the same, the Terrans are in for a rough time. But no use speculating.. Who knows maybe the Terrans will become more offensive, Reaper raids etc. Reapers can do the exact same things as your feared Stalker tech, and I'm guessing they can be aquired earlier on.
Still, no use gauging win or loss possibility at this stage..

[Remy]

Now this is just theorycrafting. Let me have a shot at it.

Reapers replace the firebat(you see flame throwers in the leaked vid), so they are presumably not too far up the tech tree. Terran masses reapers and raids the mineral line, flamethrower melts all workers Protoss or Zerg in less than a second. Protoss and Zerg can't make any of the fancy stuff mentioned in the opening post because they never have money for it. Terran wins every game. GG

But seriously Orcanash, relax. It's all gonna be alright. Unless immortals can somehow magically force all of your siege tanks to attack them and nothing else, it won't be as exaggerated as in the demo in real games. When they release all the stuff on Terran, you're gonna end up laughing yourself silly. You'll probably go around giggling non-stop all day long and end up getting slapped by people around you. Just be patient.

Welcome to the forums btw.

[paragon]

Still, no use gauging win or loss possibility at this stage..

People who are good will win, people who suck will lose. Simple.

[10-Neon]

People who are good will win, people who suck will lose. Simple.


An here I was thinking I would have a shot for once. :'(

[paragon]

People who are good will win, people who suck will lose. Simple.


An here I was thinking I would have a shot for once. :'(

Try WC3, anyone can win in that game.

[thiefingdude]

What!?! Terran as the worst race? Are you out of your mind?
Starcraft 2 isn't even finished yet, so you shouldn't assume.

[paragon]

What!?! Terran as the worst race? Are you out of your mind?
Starcraft 2 isn't even finished yet, so you shouldn't assume.

Yeah, if you assume you make an ass out of u and me

[Ych9]

I have a strong feeling that once Blizzard releases all the Terran info at BlizzConn, there will be a mass amount of Zerg people complaining that the Zergs are going to get the short end of the stick ;D

[paragon]

I have a strong feeling that once Blizzard releases all the Terran info at BlizzConn, there will be a mass amount of Zerg people complaining that the Zergs are going to get the short end of the stick ;D

**** em. They chose the slimy race. Serves em right*







*Kidding. This will be unfortunate for them.

[SirBaron]

I have a strong feeling that once Blizzard releases all the Terran info at BlizzConn, there will be a mass amount of Zerg people complaining that the Zergs are going to get the short end of the stick ;D
If they do divulge all of the Terran info at Blizzcon, i can only assume, as i am a hardcore Zerg player, that they save the best for last. After all, it wasn't Kerrigan's charm (... or lack thereof) that let her win the sector. It was the Swarm.

[paragon]

If they do divulge all of the Terran info at Blizzcon, i can only assume, as i am a hardcore Zerg player, that they save the best for last. After all, it wasn't Kerrigan's charm (... or lack thereof) that let her win the sector. It was the Swarm.

To be honest I'm actually really looking forward to seeing what the zerg will get even though I'm a terran player not a zerg player. I'm hoping that the zerg get lots of cool things and crazy mutations. With the protoss and terran they just make new technology. But with the zerg they have to infest new things or get new technology. Based on what we've seen from the Koprulu sector so far there doesn't seem to be anything that they would want to infest. This means that any changes would have to be mutations which could be very interesting.

Unless they infest protoss and/or one of the critters from starcraft. Infested Bengalass go!

[SirBaron]

Yeah, i'm thrilled to see what they've done to mah sweet ol' Swarm.

[paragon]

Think they'll make em all more buglike like the zergling? Or maybe more things will have evolved forms.

[SirBaron]

Think they'll make em all more buglike like the zergling? Or maybe more things will have evolved forms.

All old units ought to have evolved forms (maybe even drone!...) while the new ones are final so we don't get used to using them and not their evolutions.
Albeit the more buglike they are, the better they are :P gogo Swarm!

[paragon]

the drone already has evolved forms. they are buildings.

[SirBaron]

the drone already has evolved forms. they are buildings.

Ok, evolved forms excluding buildings.

[burkid]

Think they'll make em all more buglike like the zergling? Or maybe more things will have evolved forms.

All old units ought to have evolved forms (maybe even drone!...) while the new ones are final so we don't get used to using them and not their evolutions.
Albeit the more buglike they are, the better they are :P gogo Swarm!

i just want to see what they are giving hydras.

[SirBaron]

Think they'll make em all more buglike like the zergling? Or maybe more things will have evolved forms.

All old units ought to have evolved forms (maybe even drone!...) while the new ones are final so we don't get used to using them and not their evolutions.
Albeit the more buglike they are, the better they are :P gogo Swarm!

i just want to see what they are giving hydras.

They're giving them laser-spit!

[burkid]

They're giving them laser-spit!

haha.
i meant in the way of evolutions (such as lurker aspect)

[SirBaron]

They're giving them laser-spit!

haha.
i meant in the way of evolutions (such as lurker aspect)

Well yeah, i suggested in the "Units and Structures" board that the Hydralisk would receive a new, melee-lurker kind of aspect with damage equal to the Ultralisk yet less HP, armor and ofc, cost.

[burkid]

Well yeah, i suggested in the "Units and Structures" board that the Hydralisk would receive a new, melee-lurker kind of aspect with damage equal to the Ultralisk yet less HP, armor and ofc, cost.

that does 2 good things, makes a good unit, and is an effective replacement to the ultralisk

[SirBaron]

Well yeah, i suggested in the "Units and Structures" board that the Hydralisk would receive a new, melee-lurker kind of aspect with damage equal to the Ultralisk yet less HP, armor and ofc, cost.

that does 2 good things, makes a good unit, and is an effective replacement to the ultralisk

Yeah that was my thought, personally i enjoyed the Ultralisks as long as i didn't have to buy them. Mostly i just use them in campaigns for fun whilst i mass 'lings, hydras and defilers in normal/b.net games.

[burkid]

Yeah that was my thought, personally i enjoyed the Ultralisks as long as i didn't have to buy them. Mostly i just use them in campaigns for fun whilst i mass 'lings, hydras and defilers in normal/b.net games.

thats mostly what i would do too.

[paragon]

Zergling --> Baneling
Hydralisk --> Lurker and Hunter Killer (except different model and melee attack)?
Ultralisk --> Torrasque?
Defiler --> Something that infests stuff
Mutalisk --> Devourer and Guardian
Scourge --> something that burrows and then pops out of the ground and explodes when an air unit comes close (like a mine for air units) dealing more damage than a scourge. burrows when it morphs and cannot be moved.

[burkid]

Hydralisk --> Lurker and Hunter Killer (except different model and melee attack)?
Ultralisk --> Torrasque?
Defiler --> Something that infests stuff
Scourge --> something that burrows and then pops out of the ground and explodes when an air unit comes close (like a mine for air units) dealing more damage than a scourge. burrows when it morphs and cannot be moved.

i like the idea of the hunter killer, torrasque, and air mine.
for the defiler, the thing that infests stuff is the succubus.

[SirBaron]

Zergling --> Baneling
Hydralisk --> Lurker and Hunter Killer (except different model and melee attack)?
Ultralisk --> Torrasque?
Defiler --> Something that infests stuff
Mutalisk --> Devourer and Guardian
Scourge --> something that burrows and then pops out of the ground and explodes when an air unit comes close (like a mine for air units) dealing more damage than a scourge. burrows when it morphs and cannot be moved.

Hunter Killers aren't a Hydra-evolution, Torrasque ain't either, they're just special strains derived from the Hydralisk/Ultralisk base strain, respectively. Not aspects and not evolutions.

[paragon]

I know they aren't evolutions that why i said change them a bit.

[[LightMare]]

Hydralisk --> Lurker and Hunter Killer (except different model and melee attack)?
Ultralisk --> Torrasque?
Defiler --> Something that infests stuff
Scourge --> something that burrows and then pops out of the ground and explodes when an air unit comes close (like a mine for air units) dealing more damage than a scourge. burrows when it morphs and cannot be moved.

i like the idea of the hunter killer, torrasque, and air mine.
for the defiler, the thing that infests stuff is the succubus.

i'd really love the idea of a hunter killer.
ever thought hydralisks just weren't the firepower you wanted? well, imagine a stronger hydralisk. the hunter killer. now equipped with advanced spines, to deal even more damage. their thick carapaces given even more armor. Ladies and gentlemen. the great weapon of war.

[Ych9]

I think the Zerg will get a major revamp.
This was stated in the PC Gamer magazine Podcast. Perhaps, they are going to be totally different?

Maybe they don't need creeps anymore? Or maybe the Overlords are revamped?
I don't know, those 2 seems to be an important aspect of the Zergs. Without creeps, I'm fine, but if Blizzard decides to axe the Overlord, I'm afraid I'm going to fire a petition because the Overlords is something soo unique and yet soo awesome in the same way.

[paragon]

I think they will definitely keep creep because remember, they want to make the races even more different from each other and creep is a big difference. Same with the overlord.

[I)4rk]

Terran will turn out fine... I mean they just haven't developed them yet.

[paragon]

I'm pretty sure they've developed all the races, they just haven't revealed them yet.

[Deadpool]

lol have u seen the new Thor its frekin huge here look at the 3rd picture in the 4rth post i think it is http://www.starcraft2forum.org/forums/index.php?topic=1226.0

[Dreadnought]

Are u doubting blizzards ability to balance? Even if the protoss have ultra powerfull units they can always :thumbup: the cost. Collossus 400/250. Siege tank 150/100. Mothership 400/400 Thor 300/200
Theres many many ways to balance and blizzard will find the equalibrium

[Deadpool]

i wasnt doubting there abilty im just sayin 4 whoever thinks the terran r weak just look at the mighty Thor lol

[Remy]

I think that has already been settled.

Although we could still use some more detail on Terran, so far Terran looks very promising to say the least. I personally think that even with fewer detail, right now Terran looks more interesting than Protoss.

I think SC2 as a whole is coming along nicely.

[Ych9]

Looking back at this post, it's funny to see how peoples opinion change.
As of now, many people think that the Terrans are much better than the Protoss but this is due to the reason that the Terrans new units/mechanics are fresh and new while the Protoss stuff are like ancient history. This will continue on until all the Zergs units/mechanics are fully released. Then after all the hype of the new units/mechanics have died down, we can then start judging.

[Remy]

I'm sometimes very tempted to worry that Blizzard would be flat out of tricks for Zerg, but that's because I'm a Zerg addict. I mean, that's just silly nonsense... right?

[burkid]

i hope. if zerg doesnt get anything good, ill be sad, because the zerg were the crazy cool race.

[Ych9]

Haha, the way I think is that, they are getting rid of the (not so cool) concepts/mechanics out of the way first which is the Protoss and Terran. Then, they will keep all the cool stuff for the Zergs ;D ;D ;D.

Haha, kind of stilly too. But, I'm sure the Zergs are going to be groundbreaking because I remembered the PC gamer interview with that guy that went to Blizzard was saying that Blizzard has something groundbreaking for the Zergs.

Even if it isn't groundbreaking, I wouldn' t be disappointed as long as it has changes similiar to the Terran and the Protoss. Because we all knew how groundbreaking the Terrans and Protoss were introduced into the public. Everyone was in ohhhh's and ahhhh's. I'm sure Blizzard won't disappoint. :)

[Itsmyship]

Hehehe....Groundbreaking...Burrow...GROUNDbreaking ...hehe, sorry, I enjoy puns :P

Like I said before, I think the most complicated of all the races to make is the zerg. I hope they have something groundbreaking...it might even make have the urge to want to play zerg a couple of games :P

Terran FTW!!!!

[naduo]

nuke ~!!!!!
or also add a new one, like some kinda of laser shoot down from some battle station in space.......that could be cool too.
anyway, it would be cool to add a new units for human like ( immortals )....like some new battlesuit

[PancakeChef]

I'm sure Zerg will be all the rage when they are revealed. I really wasn't that excited about the new Protoss units maybe because I dont really like the immortal and stalkers design. Which were just new looking dragoons anyway.

[hillzagold]

overload probably wont be that much more powerful then a valkarie, but the conditions for it will even it out. assuimng the valkarie is still here.

what i think will be the death of the protoss is the EMP, since the protoss now have two units that rely heavily on sheilds, immortals and tempest.

[Warsaw]

As i said in the thread: Protoss too strong?.... we havent really seen enough to make any conclusions about the power of each race. the fact that protoss have the coolest graphics and terran graphics seem not as shiny doesnt have any effect on how strong a race is because we dont know the hp/dmg/cost of units in all the races.

[GrahamTastic]

You should have waited until more units were revealed before you made the assumption that Protoss will totally own Terran. Since you posted this, here is what has changed.

For Terrans:
Thor has been added
They got a HUGE airforce
BCs got new abilities
Siege Tanks got more powerful
Terrans got a Radar building that warns them about attacks
Vikings added (goliath and valk all in one)

For Protoss:
Mothership weakened
Reavers removed *sob*
Soul hunters removed

Now that the Terrans have more than 3 units are the Protoss still more powerful?

[Hunter]

I don't agree. You can't know the exact hippoints for the units. I dont think Terrans are that weak.

[AcE_01]

yeah brother...dw it will be all coooool..blizzard know exactly what they are doing

lol...

[slugonice]

Nah. Terrans are not weak. By the looks of it, their units are more of the HIT and RUN type

BLITZ offense

[AcE_01]

yeah bro...it looks like hit and run. yay more micro for us =P

lol...

[wolfs_dragoons]

ya i have to agree, we are going to have to wait for more info on em before we think anything. The terrans and protoss seem pretty strong on each side so we cant really make any assumptions yet.

[Drafter]

Terrans are never weak even their marine can raise chaos with their numbers and stim packs.

[Unentschieden]

Small note from a German Games convention coverage: The EMP is still a Missile right now.

[stizur]

Its the player that gets the win, not the race.

[string_me_along]

@ Unentschieden: so emp is still in the game? if so, terran players have little to fear against 'toss. Well, other than that mothership :))))))

[Drafter]

Its the player that gets the win, not the race.

True,but race selection really helps the player to really show they potential though.

[kenshin72]

you haven't even play the game yo stop complaining just because some units got scrapped like people said this is sc2

[Ych9]

Like I predicted, once Terrans are revealed no one would be complaining about it. Reason some complained was because at that time, no one knows anything new about the Terrans. All they knew was the new aged Protoss which was vastly superior compared to the old aged Protoss.

I'm sure that a lot of you guys are wondering what the Zergs will get in order to compensate the new aged Protoss and Terrans in SC2. They will indeed, need alot because both the Protoss and Terrans are getting soaped up majorly.

[freedom23]

right on you are my friend.... worst race the terrans are not but good they are....
balance race they are, overpowered not....

wait we must becoz clear it will come indeed in due time...
the force be with us lol (yoda slang)

[Skylark]

I didn't know Yoda ever said lol (and it's not slang).

If we knew all the facts, this would mean something, but since we don't, this is all sort of asinine. Also, the only proper answer to the question "What is the best race?" is "Whichever the best player has". I'm so sick of people saying "____ sucks" or "_____ is the best" when they're all insanely balanced. Any speculation otherwise is done under the impression that everyone plays the same way (which, obviously, they/we don't).

But seriously, can we please stop taking ANYTHING we've seen thus far as fact? What we've seen has changed so much just in the last few months, and seeing as how we have quite a bit to go, it's utterly pointless to make any real speculations until we at least have a working Beta.

[string_me_along]

@Skylark: I love your sig. Ber Hurr meets StarWars.

[Drafter]

Those stormtroopers look like sex slave...good God