does anybody else think terran air is weak?

[motto]

the reason i think they are weak is because they are so slow. Like battlecruisers and wraith fire 1 laser at a time. Its so slow. One of the sc trailers from the original sc showed wraith firing 3 lasers at one time at a target..so why not do that in the actual game? same with Battlecruiser. That huge thing should be able to fire multiple lasers.

[MrFrancko]

No race is weaker than the other. The BCs are beasts when it comes to taking damage so it wouldn't be fair if they fired faster. Plus, with upgrades that one blast + Yamato tears through stuff.

[Exterranminator]

Terran flyers are strong aerial attacks but suffers against ground targets...
(maybe exept b-cruisers against the terran...but only combined with siege tanks)

[paragon]

I think that the only terran air that is good vs ground is the battlecruiser but that doesn't make terran air weak. The terran have seige tanks to deal with ground targets.

[Fenix]

Ever seen what happens to Zerg air when a fleet of Valkeries comes by? It ain't pretty.

[paragon]

Ever seen what happens to Zerg air when a fleet of Valkeries comes by? It ain't pretty.

Haha I think it's beautiful. That huge swarm thinks it's all that and then it just disappears into a mist of blood and guts.

[[LightMare]]

terran air is among the strongest

[eclipse]

and you forget wraiths can cloak which will catch most people off guard

[Itsmyship]

Terrans have, imo, the best air force out of the three races. No combo makes me happier than Valkyrie/Battlecruiser :)

[motto]

yea air to air they are pretty dominant. but what about ground units against terran air? pretty weak.

[paragon]

yea air to air they are pretty dominant. but what about ground units against terran air? pretty weak.

1) Battlecruiser
2) they don't need mass anti ground for their air because they have... siege tanks...

[Proxy-serva]

i find only the terran warights are good becuase for bcs u need a long time too make and they can be fast destroyed by a defiler ot by a high templer

[Fenix]

yea air to air they are pretty dominant. but what about ground units against terran air? pretty weak.


Yamato Cannon son

[for-glory]

ehh more like rock paper sissors...each unit has strengths and counters. kinda hard to say they suck because in this situation they get owned. So ya terran air is strong

[Proxy-serva]

but i find its not so strong like protoss air..

[Fenix]

Although, if you look at it, Terran air is mostly geared for air-to-air. The most a Wraith can do is harass (8 DMG against ground).....Battlecruisers are the only things that can effectively attack ground, but they're top tier.


IMO, Protoss air is the strongest. I don't care what anyone says, Scouts rock.

[Proxy-serva]

mass scouts on a nexus or something else is very good but not vs ground units..

[Fenix]

Yeah, but they uber-pwn air. Antimatter missile FTW!

[generalrievous]

BC + Wraiths + few science vessels = air pwnage

[Fenix]

Exactly. You gotta mix it up.

[Proxy-serva]

there are vs all mixed units or unmixed some other good units^^this is the problem

[Fenix]

No group is good unmixed if that's what you're asking. You need some variety, otherwise they'll hit on a snag and conquer your mad force.

[paragon]

I don't care what anyone says, Scouts rock.

On paper scouts do rock... as long as you smudge out the high cost.

And I think zerg air is the strongest. They've got a ground pounded (guardian), an all purpose/harasser (mutalisk), an anti air support unit (devourer), and a suicidal bomb (scourge)

[burkid]

yeah, zerg rule the skies.

[paragon]

However, with the phoenix, they won't anymore because all zerg air is light air and light air will be destroyed by overload.

[Itsmyship]

I don't care what anyone says, Scouts rock.

On paper scouts do rock... as long as you smudge out the high cost.

And I think zerg air is the strongest. They've got a ground pounded (guardian), an all purpose/harasser (mutalisk), an anti air support unit (devourer), and a suicidal bomb (scourge)


Zerg air is by far the most annoying form of air...but then again it gives me an excuse to use the good ol' valkyries

[paragon]

exactly, valkyries ate up zerg air. Which, tying this back into the topic's title, is one reason why terran air is not weak. And why valkyries don't suck.

[burkid]

^remy is probably gonna yell at you for that again

[L0ck and L04d]

I'd bet anything that if they bring back the devourer the'll give it a shorter cool down and maybe a cooler attack...I meen come on, who here has ever looked at a devourer attack and been like: ...(criket sound)
ITS A GIANT PUPLE BLOB LIKE SOME ONE CHEWED UP BARNEY THE DINOSAUR AND SPIT HIM OUT WITH ACID SPORED!

[burkid]

^I can honestly say that i havent

[paragon]

we'll visually I'm sure they will make it better but I doubt they would shorten to cooldown unless they adjust other things.

[LimaBeanMage]

Terran air isn't weak, however it is not utilized half of the time because of the time and resources it takes to get to them. I believe Terran have the second best air. Zerg beats them hands down by speed. Wraiths are good but they aren't the dominant air unit.

Everybody has pointed out, valks and BCs rule the skies. But, what I think everyone failed to mention is that they take quite a bit of time to get a sufficient amount of them on the battlefield and a fair amount of resources to maintain that army.

[lilchibikun]

terran air isnt weak, like limabeanmage. u just hafto have these units in sky battalions. if u attack in clusters youll be sure to dominate

[L0ck and L04d]

you dominate anyway if you attack in clusters with any race!

[overmind]

terran needs an attack helicopter-like unit with mini guns and rockets for air -to- ground but no anti-air attack that way you could mass them with valkyries and still have a reseonable attack force.

[DontHate]

i like the idea of the helecopter with the air to ground missles but it sounds too low tech for terrans, i mean c'mon, a helecopter!? it better be cool looking at least, because there would be no use for a helecopter if jet fighter such as the wraith could stop on a dime. but yea terran need a good air unit for ground that can be accessed earlier. also, when a pheonix overloads does it only attack air?

[Major Willy]

I liked the Devourer attack.

Nobody messes with big globs of acid.

On topic though, the Terran air is very powerful. Cloaked Wraiths for ambushes and harassment while Valkyries clean up anything in their way.

[Itsmyship]

i like the idea of the helecopter with the air to ground missles but it sounds too low tech for terrans, i mean c'mon, a helecopter!? it better be cool looking at least, because there would be no use for a helecopter if jet fighter such as the wraith could stop on a dime. but yea terran need a good air unit for ground that can be accessed earlier. also, when a pheonix overloads does it only attack air?


I actually had an idea like this a while back on a different thread, I called it the Terran Praetorian.

[paragon]

how about that unit from the cinematic, that was helicopterish except more of an advanced VTOL craft

[overmind]

i did say helicopter-like

i actually forgot about the thing in the cins that is helicopter-like but not primitive.

[paragon]

Oh and good unit name Itsmyship. Praetorian. I usually put that with my lists of cool names. And Cohort. And Legionary

[L0ck and L04d]

what cinematic was the helicopter in and I think I feel like starting a hole new thread...

[Itsmyship]

I'm preety sure we have one for the helicopter.

[FlyingTiger]

here ya go!

http://www.starcraft2forum.org/forums/index.php?topic=873.0

[paragon]

back on topic, in the original starcraft i would sometimes make a few battlecruisers (6-8) as the ground pounders with about 20 wraiths flying air cover for them. I also had science vessels nearby as both detectors and for their three incredibly useful abilities. battlecruiser about to die? defense matrix it and send it back to the base for repair. protoss? emp. zerg? irradiate.

[Lemonparty]

I'm surprised they wouldn't make Dark archons/Devourers+scourges or mutalisks

[Itsmyship]

Original SC didn't have Dark Archons or Devourers.

[UchihaItachi0129]

2 words. BATTLE CRUISER

[Major Willy]

Battlecruiser operational.

Better 2 words.

[ShoGun]

Which army would win. . . a full unit cap of valkeries, or a full unit cap of carriers with maximum interceptors?

[Major Willy]

Valkyries. Focus fire them on a Carrier and add in splash damage to other Carriers.

[L0ck and L04d]

ok, now a full unit cap of devourers vs. a full unit cap of valkyries?

[Major Willy]

Devourers attack slower.

[ZiiDriX]

Valkryies, because of the splash dmg.

[brc9210]

Actually I tested that with a friend and it really depends on how you attack. If its a head on attack by the devourers Valkyries own them easily, if they attack form different angles at once though the battle is much closer and depends more so on luck.

[L0ck and L04d]

but devourers have splash damage to and I thought they don't take as much to build and you can make more of them than valkyries.

[thrif]

All races had good air, SV's were just insane when used correctly. Using them to their full capacity, you could change the course of war with ease.

[10-Neon]

but devourers have splash damage too...


Nope, they only deal damage to the unit they attack. Only the Acid Spores splash.

[Fenix]

An answer to all the "full pop" air battles.


Scourge, microed.

[L0ck and L04d]

but devourers have splash damage too...


Nope, they only deal damage to the unit they attack. Only the Acid Spores splash.

Ya but thats still splash damage, I meen it makes them fire slower.

[marinepower]

There is no way the Valks will win the battle at Full Pop. The max Sprite count on a map is 250 and the valks missiles count as sprites. After around 30 shoot, no more sprites will be able to appear on the map until those rockets hit, leaving 20 valks as useless sitting ducks. But in combination with even 10 devourers, bring 25 valks and each missile would do 9+6, or 15, so the valks will decimate carriers or even BC's.

In respose to the scourage microed answer, I think that's imp for the scourages to win as It's impossible for even JulyZerg to micro 400 units at the same time. Just send one air unit into the crowd and 100 other scourage will explode on it.