energy weapons - It's the future people!

[overmind]

why do the marines use guns?(i know but im making a point) shouldn't their be atleast one unit that usse's lasers on the terrans? like a long range "energy shooter"? or a weapon platform like a robot that does?
thoughts?

[GuiMontag]

most terran air power uses lasers (bc, wraiths)
also the ghost used a laser to aim nukes :P

[thitian]

bc's + wraith's :o

as for marines ild rather fire 1k bullets /s on a bunch of zerg coming into my direction than firing 1 laser -_-;

[PrivateJoker]

i think SC would be cooler if units use very primitive weapons. it would rock the big one if marines threw sharp rocks instead of shot their lame guns. I mean, come on people! 8)

[paragon]

Because gauss rifles that they have shoot at hypersonic speeds (5 times the speed of sound I think)
And that is very fast.

[capthavic]

Some units do but anyway it's the Protoss who are the lazer, etc. faction.

[[LightMare]]

in the wallpaper with the nuke, the marines ahve a purple trail after they shoot, and purple smoke coming out of the barrel.

[Itsmyship]

What I wondered is how come Marines don't use assault rifles. I've also wondered why marines don't have certain tools they can use built into their suits, since in this day and age we have stuff like Land Warrior

[paragon]

What I wondered is how come Marines don't use assault rifles. I've also wondered why marines don't have certain tools they can use built into their suits, since in this day and age we have stuff like Land Warrior

Gauss rifles are so much better than assault rifles. We will probably have them in the next few decades.

[Inside Sin]

Guys, they are only hmmm what 50 - 75 years ahead of us. Do you think we are going to get lasers by then? I dobut we will get space ships either but who cares.

Awww. Someone DE-powered me twice, now i only got 200 Minerals.

[paragon]

Guys, they are only hmmm what 50 - 75 years ahead of us. Do you think we are going to get lasers by then? I dobut we will get space ships either but who cares.

Awww. Someone DE-powered me twice, now i only got 200 Minerals.

StarCraft begins in 2499... so um... thats a long time from now.

[overmind]

i like the marines using gritty guass rifles but their should be a laser using unit aswell.
as powerful as guass rifles are Lasers can cut through literrally everything.

[paragon]

Maybe terran laser tech is still not good enough to compact it into a hand held form and allow it to have adequate damage and cooldown. The burst laser on the Wraith is huge and it still has a slow cooldown because it has to literally cool down so it doesn't overheat. The Marine is a better anti ground unit than the Wraith is and the wraith has a laser.

[Ghost]

or maybe just equipping illtrained convicts with lasers is not cost effective.

[Major Willy]

There's actually a Starcraft Mod I downloaded and Marines shot Wraith lasers. Fun to watch but gritty old fashioned steel military suits Terran.

[paragon]

There's actually a Starcraft Mod I downloaded and Marines shot Wraith lasers. Fun to watch but gritty old fashioned steel military suits Terran.

Depleted uranium actually. Steel doesn't have as much density/penetrating power.

[SirBaron]

or maybe just equipping illtrained convicts with lasers is not cost effective.

I don't think the Marine Core would just accept illtrained peeps out of the blue. They have had to get some kind of training or they'd just be... cannon fodder. :o

[paragon]

or maybe just equipping illtrained convicts with lasers is not cost effective.

I don't think the Marine Core would just accept illtrained peeps out of the blue. They have had to get some kind of training or they'd just be... cannon fodder. :o

Multiple criminal offenses.

Marines were cannon fodder before medics. Essential cannon fodder but fodder none the less.

[zeratul11]

golaiths should have laser machine guns in starcraft 2.

[generalrievous]

or have it as an upgrade

[paragon]

I'd rather they have a GAU

[burkid]

is that the one thats bigger than a VW beetle?

[paragon]

yes, that would be the one. I'm sure in 500 years they can make it smaller and even more deadlier.

[burkid]

mount one of those (shrunken down) on a goliath and it would be unstoppable

[MaliciouS]

Each marine is armed with a C-14 "Impaler" Gauss Rifle. The rifle propels an 8 mm "spike" at hypersonic speeds through the use of electro-magnets.

Given the immense rate of fire, they're much more effective than your standard DoW Lasgun.
On a sidenote, Protoss units already use a lot of laser/beam weaponry.

[paragon]

yes i'd much rather be fighting with good old fashion depleted uranium rather than some ***** *** prissy laser.

[LimaBeanMage]

I agree that the Terran should be using energy based weapons because of the point they are at in time. I would say that it comes down to changing the philosophy behind weapons. Instead of using energy to utilize matter, why not just utilize energy?

Although, I disagree on the application of lasers. I think that light has it's moments here and there but I think more powerful energy based weapons can be used. Kind of like the Protoss... mmm, blue photon balls of death....

[Itsmyship]

I would hate it if the Terran started usin lasers. That aspect is almost TOO star wars-ish to me. What's the point of switching to lasers? As we can see, the guns that they have now are very effective, I just don't see the point in using a laser if there's no obvious advantage to them. Also, I'm guessing that it's not laser they use, i think its plasma, because a laser is just a concentrated beam of late goin in one direction.

[Nikzad]

why cauterize a wound with a laser when you can leave gigantic, grapefruit-sized exit wounds with bullets?

[Itsmyship]

why cauterize a wound with a laser when you can leave gigantic, grapefruit-sized exit wounds with bullets?

Fantastically said Nikzad!!

[LimaBeanMage]

why cauterize a wound with a laser when you can leave gigantic, grapefruit-sized exit wounds with bullets?


Why leave any matter left and vaporize all organic life in a 50 mile radius? ^_^

[Nikzad]

because nukes are exorbitantly expensive

thanks Itsmyship

[LimaBeanMage]

Very true, nukes are expensive. But if we gear all of our technology research to energy based weapons, something the size of a nuke would be relatively inexpensive.

[drewcbarnard]

What I wondered is how come Marines don't use assault rifles. I've also wondered why marines don't have certain tools they can use built into their suits, since in this day and age we have stuff like Land Warrior

Gauss rifles are so much better than assault rifles. We will probably have them in the next few decades.


Next few decades? Isn't SC2 around like 2299? They should have guns that point at things and then whatever they point at just self combusts by the time of SC2...I mean I'm just sayin....

[Ghost]

Na, look gauss cannon up, we are pretty close to acutally having them, the only problem is the level of magnetisation, if it is undermagnetized the projectile will be propelled with minimal foce, if it is overmagnatized the projectile will lose electrons therefore become unmagnatic and fail to fire.

Its hard for a hand held rifle to measure the precise level of magnetisation required.

[FlyingTiger]

yea i felt like I seen like demonstrations of it on the History Channel or Discovery Channel about this. It's really cool. They had an absurd rate of fire and velocity.

[drewcbarnard]

I understand, let me clarify....If the marines use gauss rifles in SC2 and we will have them in a couple of decades...what does that tell you about the adavncement of weapons technology in the two centurys since the first incorporation of gauss rifles?

[Ghost]

Yea, ive been watching weapons of the future alot, they also have a sonic weapon that emits such a boom that it can disrupt the function of internal organs leading to massive internal hemmorage.

[Ghost]

I understand, let me clarify....If the marines use gauss rifles in SC2 and we will have them in a couple of decades...what does that tell you about the adavncement of weapons technology in the two centurys since the first incorporation of gauss rifles?


It tells me that (if we where in that age) we could afford to equip everysingle marine with a gauss rifle and depleted uranuim without crippling out economy, so yeah, theres been a HUGE advance.

[FlyingTiger]

yup and technological advances would become much more slower rather than our current exponential increase unless we figured out some new dimension or acquire some alien techonology.

[Ghost]

True, or unless a stable, renewable and inexpensive source of fuel was found allowing for farther spacetravel without the inmense loss of fuel that normally takes place nowadays.

[drewcbarnard]

I understand, let me clarify....If the marines use gauss rifles in SC2 and we will have them in a couple of decades...what does that tell you about the adavncement of weapons technology in the two centurys since the first incorporation of gauss rifles?


It tells me that (if we where in that age) we could afford to equip everysingle marine with a gauss rifle and depleted uranuim without crippling out economy, so yeah, theres been a HUGE advance.


Although it would be a huge advance, I'd think that in two centuries we would come even further than that...

[drewcbarnard]

yup and technological advances would become much more slower rather than our current exponential increase unless we figured out some new dimension or acquire some alien techonology.


which is very possible and although unpredictible, highly likely

[Itsmyship]

I hope there's aliens out there. That'd mean some new tech and a new age of discovery

[Ghost]

There are, many of them.

[Nikzad]

don't forget that they were sent out into space in a time earlier than 2499 or whenever

they were sent off in the ships, crash landed, then had to start up an entire civilization again. I don't remember the specifics but that's about 100 years lost, wouldn't you say?

[Itsmyship]

And I am serious about this...I hope there's is a race that is like the Protoss...actually, the Protoss are my ideal idea for an alien race...gj Blizz!! :good:

[drewcbarnard]

Alright...Alright....you guys win... then answer this.. why havent they learned a god danm thing from the protoss this whole time?

[Ghost]

Cuz the UED bastards want nothing to do with them, and they have all the money for the research and development while rouge groupd allied with the toss dont have the resources to do so.

[LimaBeanMage]

There just might be a Protoss-like race out there. Space is rather large... very very VERY large, which leaves a good possibility. :)

[drewcbarnard]

Cuz the UED bastards want nothing to do with them, and they have all the money for the research and development while rouge groupd allied with the toss dont have the resources to do so.


I'm done with this....lol....if we continue any further we might as well write a book on the history of terran over the past 300 years

[Ghost]

GOOD IDEA *gets notebook out*

[Ghost]

There just might be a Protoss-like race out there. Space is rather large... very very VERY large, which leaves a good possibility. :)


Yea, the universe is STILL expanding from the big bang.

[Nikzad]

*Bang*

I just figuratively shot your post in the face, Ghost

Take that argument somewhere else

[Itsmyship]

Actually...my two ideal alien races have already been done. There's the Protoss and my 2nd are actually Transformers xP

[Ghost]

God you did not just say the Transformers.

[Itsmyship]

Haha, joke dude :P

Sorry, I actually just watched it last night...its badass

[drewcbarnard]

Really? So it's worth it then?

[Ghost]

Lol, well the toss are my perfect alien race, advanced, senitent, stalwart and have MENTAL prowess.

Sidenote to Itsmyship: Is it really good?

[Itsmyship]

Definitely. There were a couple cheesy moments though, but that's what Micheal Bay does with all his films, but for the most part it was awesome. I actually haven't had such a rush from a movie since 300 :P

[Ghost]

Wouldnt it suck if a race like the toss attacked us, in the state our technology is in.

Sidenote to Itsmyship: 300 shizles my fo nizzle yo bizzle.

[Itsmyship]

Yeah, which is why I'm hoping they actually like us and share some knowledge with us....I want me a pair of psi blades :P

Defenitely. Right now, 300 is the only movie I can say is more badass than Transformers

[drewcbarnard]

We still have nukes...it would be a deadly battle..but we would win

[Light]

haha, blow ourselves up. well, atleast the toss wont be getting our planet.

[Ghost]

I will just ignore that last post, yea we would probably win or end up killing ourselves. Anyway we wouldnt win, our bacteria weould =D

[Itsmyship]

Haha! Bacteria > Protoss/Tripods :P

Actually, I can see humans in some odd way driving them back (Will Smith's obviously in a plane). Then we'd chill here, get a united earth, get our weapons up to snuff, and within 20 years, the Protoss come back, but wait...we aren't ready yet! So then we get a battle of Thermopolyae all over again :)

[drewcbarnard]

wat if they had a laser tank like with a gun from the battle ship


What thaaa............................................. ...............................

[Ghost]

Exactly.

[Itsmyship]

At first I thought he was trying to explain a Yamato cannon...so i just didn't answer

[burkid]

there needs to be some kind of new energy weapon for the tarrin

its spelled "terran"
and no, they dont need a new energy weapon, they need bigger guns
and... what do you mean by that post about the lasertank??? what battleship?

[Itsmyship]

We've all preety much agreed that there isn't a point to Terran energy weapons and that guns are just all around more bad*ss

[Ghost]

Energy weapons are for toss, terrans are more bad ass with their depleted uranium shells and stuff.

[drewcbarnard]

and cigars in their mouths while they shoot them...dont' forget the cigars.... :P

[Itsmyship]

Of course!! Standard issue for all Terran marines are the battle suits, gauss rifles, and 10 pack of cigars :good:

[Ghost]

Whats the point without cigars, jeez i thought we had that on the clear ;)

[paragon]

why cauterize a wound with a laser when you can leave gigantic, grapefruit-sized exit wounds with bullets?

tumbling rounds - leave tons of little exit wounds. So many you don't even know all the places you're bleeding from.

[Ghost]

Ive heard of those, better off using crows feet or explosive rounds.

[paragon]

.585 Nyati is supposedly the most powerful bullet in the world.

[overmind]

why cauterize a wound with a laser when you can leave gigantic, grapefruit-sized exit wounds with bullets?

becouse a laser would also leave an exit wound it would stop at nothing unlike bullets that can get stopped at armour

ok so marines shouldn't have lasers but what about a new unit that use's them? so you have a row of marines against a zerg rush in the distance the new 'lasertroops' step forward and fire the lasers at them they go the whole distance without stopping/losing accuracy and hit the rows of 'lings completely killing anyone they hit. the lasertroops manage to cooldown and fire several times before the zerg get too close they run behind the marines and the zerg are met with the gritty action of close range guass rifles an ultra come's up and tramples marines guass rounds bounce almost harmlessly of its heavy amour a lasertroop come's up and fires at the ultras head the laser penentrates the armour and destroys the things brain...

so the lasertroop (incredibly sorry about the name but its just an example blizzards smarter) would be a slow loading longrange sniper. having a laser sniper is liable as it could be incredibly long range and accurate and if it was ultra violet the enemies would spot where it comes from.

haha, blow ourselves up. well, atleast the toss wont be getting our planet

we would probably win against an honarable race like the 'toss becouse we (modernly) would use guerrala tactics unknown to the honarable toss and we would mass destruction on their ass if they set up a reasonable base anywhere
imagine the lots charge and set of a roadside IED cluster bombers fly overhead and destroy a gateway a jet fighter sends a missle straight through a working stargate and blows up the clustered fleet about to leave aiur through it.

a toss fleet assemble's in earths orbit. the humans are unsure about their attentions suddenly the conclave picks up hundereds of orbital missles and preditor sattelites careening towards their landing force (hell bush would do it :P)

if the toss would lose their honarablility and fight dirty they'd win. some communications are sent to earth pleading an alliance then a couple of probes land and set up a gateway in a militarized zone to "send in diplomats" and before long the entire toss force is sprinting though.

[Nikzad]

there isn't just one type of laser, you know
its not like all lasers are guaranteed beams of death
there are varying degrees of strength and all sorts of other variables

that being said, some lasers wouldn't be able to penetrate the hardened carapaces of the zerg, which is exactly like how some bullets wouldn't as well

lasers dissipate over long distances anywhere but in space

[paragon]

theres a difference between lasers and some scifi energy weapons. some using all sorts of different things that cause large bleeding holes in people. it's scifi. it's not real. they can make up whatever they want.

[overmind]

the topic title is energy weapons it could also mean electric guns etc.

[paragon]

well those sucks so... why would we talk about those?

[marinepower]

Well, blizzard is trying its hardest to seperate the 3 races as best as it can, so it very unlikely we will see terrans with any sort of lazer other than the ones on the expensive air units. Lasers and all that high-tech technology is almost exclusively reserved for the protoss.

Just consider this : The marines are getting huge slabs of metal as shields, why would they even consider spending money on high tech lasers. ::)

[Alasdair]

terrans lose thier identity when they use lasers, protoss use lasers! humans need good old metal to punch holes in those silly zerg, im fine with the air units using lasers, but not land units...

[Major Willy]

Filling something with bullets is more satisfying than zapping with lasers.

[Dxun]

If you look at BC and wraith lasers they don't pass through multiple targets and a laser (even in the future) are rather large need a lot of power for infantry to carry around, but the same could be said about a gauss rifle.

A gauss rifle(railgun/coilgun) uses magnetism to launch projectiles. The hypersonic velocity of railgun projectiles causes them to emit peculiar noises on being fired. A Gauss cannon shot is an actual sonic boom. Firing the largest railguns produces a noise which is audible for great distances, like the noise given off from a bolt of lightning.

Right now the only real-life(for now) way to use a railgun would be to put it on a battleship that uses a nuclear powerplant because of the immense power consumption.(and to be able to move the gun)

But hey this is Starcraft, anything could happen. :good:

[Ghost]

.585 Nyati is supposedly the most powerful bullet in the world.


Oh, must read up on that. *reads up, finds very interesting* thx paragon.

[paragon]

A gauss rifle(railgun/coilgun)

all three of these things are different things. the coilgun and gauss rifle being similar in that the gauss rifle uses capacitors while the coil gun uses solenoids with the rest being basically the same and the rail gun being almost entirely different except for the fact that it also uses magnetic force

Here is a rail gun:
http://www.powerlabs.org/railgun.htm

[Alasdair]

If you look at BC and wraith lasers they don't pass through multiple targets and a laser (even in the future) are rather large need a lot of power for infantry to carry around, but the same could be said about a gauss rifle.

A gauss rifle(railgun/coilgun) uses magnetism to launch projectiles. The hypersonic velocity of railgun projectiles causes them to emit peculiar noises on being fired. A Gauss cannon shot is an actual sonic boom. Firing the largest railguns produces a noise which is audible for great distances, like the noise given off from a bolt of lightning.

Right now the only real-life(for now) way to use a railgun would be to put it on a battleship that uses a nuclear powerplant because of the immense power consumption.(and to be able to move the gun)

But hey this is Starcraft, anything could happen. :good:

hehe, power sources.... this takes place a long time from now, and some species (even terrann) will have developed ways to put either undepletable or immense amounts of energies into very small spaces, and a doubt spacer is gonna be a problem on a gauss rifle ITS HUGE!

[DKutrovsky]

What i wonder is why dont they have something more like this:
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh16-e.htm

Its basically, a semi-automatic shotgun, that has explosive ammo as well as frag ammo.

Perfect for close combat and mass infantry destruction

Edit: Like some people mentioned lazers = expensive and hard to move around by basic infantry. Remember why medics were introduced, they were more cost efficient than just training more marines. Besides, dont underestimate the power of bullets. There are some mighty powerful gattling guns out there, and some big ass AP bullets that can cut through immortals just as good as lazers.

[paragon]

semi auto grenade launchers > shotguns of any kind
http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl34-e.htm

http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl24-e.htm <--- 2000 meters effective range, 250 rounds per minute

[DKutrovsky]

Heh, terran should have a special op unit, with a granade launcher, bazooka, sniper, rifle, combat knife, etc....ghosts are tactical unit, we need the special op now!


Edit:

http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl24-e.htm <--- 2000 meters effective range, 250 rounds per minute

HOLY FREAKING ****! Talk about the right idea! 5-6 of those babies and say bye bye baby har har har!!!