The Fate of our future...The UED

[concreteasflesh]

I wonder what role the UED will take on in SC2, i hope they come back, this one not with just one little admiral off earth, but like 10 fleets with admirals and hundreds of fighters and thousands more marines and support units, so they can take the sector in the name of mankind.

I feel that it was bogus that UED lost in SC:BW, becuase if the UED/UPL sent the Terrans out to the kopulru sector they then made all the technology the Terrans use, and in a sence the Terrans crashlanded on unknown planets and had rag tag gear and faced 2 alien invaders at once as well as inward hostilities, while the UED had peace in its sector, for generations was expanding to new planets and evolving new technologies, it was just sad that our follow humans had to die for nothing, so i hope that the UED will make a come back and bring the full intelectual fury of Mankind, the masters of the universe, beacuse while it says that the Xel'Naga created the Zerg and the Protoss it gives no clear indication of them creating Mankind or the Terrans, and dont play that god worship game, the Human evolved through time and became the Masters of their domain. The UED has the power to save the Terrans and to defeat all those "alien freaks" as general Chestville/Gesterville(one eyes man from game play trailer) put it.

LETS GO HUMANITY and WTFPWN those alien twits!!!!!!!one!!oneONE!!!111!!1!!11one

[[LightMare]]

we have a thread like this already. we are the bad guys in SC 2

[generalrievous]

I dont think they have much of a future after the events of BW didnt they die out and the Terran Dominion took over

[Light]

wohoo, great to see another terran fan! UED!!!!! TERRAN! heh, its funny to think if in a few hundred years our descendants will be battling aliens in Korprulu.

i was very upset of the UED expeditionary forces defeat. the UED should not have lost. they are superior in every way. maybe they will come back in sc2, this time with a real fleet, not a recon. but probs it will be about how the last terrans in Korprulu will hold their last stand against swarms of alien invaders!

[Meee]

I dont think they have much of a future after the events of BW didnt they die out and the Terran Dominion took over

It was only one UED fleet defeated, there's still a whole lot more somewhere near Earth

[capthavic]

we have a thread like this already. we are the bad guys in SC 2


How do you figure? Just because Mengsk is a **** doesn't mean all terrans are bad and Raynor with his rebels is still out there.

Anyway the UED fleet was completely destroyed (no one made it back) and I doubt that there is much left back on Earth to mount a substantial attack.

[Itsmyship]

I'm seriously hoping the UED comes back...the full fury of the human race shall not be deterred!! :P If the UED doesn't come back though, I'm hoping that good ol' Raynor along with de-infested Stukov come over and just dominate everyone...Raynor/Stukov team > all ;D :thumbup: :good:

[ImaGiNe.]

Keep in mind that the UED fleet sent was an expeditionary one, meaning that the UED has some specific and definitive objectives in these regions of space. We shall be seeing them again... *prays*

[capthavic]

Well if I remember correctly they had sent their best general (Dugalle) along with the fleet to conquer the sector. They had known what they were up against so I doubt they would have sent one of (if not the best)their generals with only a small force to fight all three sides. If you look at the final cinimatic you'll see that a fair number of ships survived (before Kerrigan killed them) so I would imagine the number of starting forces would be much larger.

I think we've seen the last of the UED (in any significant form at least) but only time will tell.

[Exterranminator]

Some of UED survivors could still remain in Koprullu, but they are probably hidden for both Terran Dominion and Zerg Swarm and they will surender soon to other terran factions. Anyway this time Terran Dominion is the core terran faction in SC2.

[DontHate]

that'd be cool if the UED made a return. much cooler than the dominion.

[Exterranminator]

U all underestimate Mengsk. While the UED is just a militaristic faction from distant sol, TD is a pack of owening gangstas and stuff.
For me TD > UED.

[Lemonparty]

Mengsk's just a psycho mofo and he doesn't have enough of an army to come back. UED is the only Terran faction that is not crazy.

[Exterranminator]

I have never seen any signs of that Mengsk might be crazy. He is bad motherf(tralalala) but he is also very calculated and cleaver politician. While the UED were enought stupid to make enemies with everybody to theres loose end on Char, Mengsk was able to create alliance with Kerrigan against the UED and next...alliance with the UED against Kerrigan! Maybe he is some kind of arogant asshole, but his not crazy, i think. And who said he have not enough army to come back? Ending of BW suggest that his defeat was not final...that of the UED was.

[Lemonparty]

Well he sacrified Kerrigan, lured Zergs to Terran Confederate planets (including Tarsonis the Confederate capital and biggest city), and all of that just to because the emperor and for no good purpose.

[Exterranminator]

Yes, but it was not madness, but calculated moves to get more power. Yes, he betrayed Kerrigan only to conquer Koprulu, but he left her only becouse he didnt want to risk the safety of his own fleet (soldiers?). This is not MADNESS this is REALISM. Yes, he lured Zerg to confederacy...but in first case he did it to save his butt on Antiga, and in second...well it was insane, but he made it to kill his enemy (for revange and for power).

[Lemonparty]

Yeah, but UED is still the best Terran Faction evar! =D!

edit: he still killed millions of innocents.

[Exterranminator]

Your choise :) I have no offence of it :)

[Lemonparty]

Hooray =]
I don't doubt Mengks' next faction that he'll rebuild and the UED will associate anyway, or they'll get pwnt by Zergs/Duran

[SirBaron]

The UED who arrived in the Korprulu Sector are all dead. While it is not specifically stated, it is stated though that DuGalle called for immediate retreat after his defeat above Char (on the platforms), and it's also stated that all of the remaining ships (who were trying to retreat) were intercepted and destroyed.

DuGalle sucks because he was a power-crazy, ignorant fool who killed his best buddy and believed he could tame a creature that would by far surpass him in any IQ test.
Mengsk sucks because he is a power-crazy, ignorant fool who brought about doom on the sector by abandoning Kerrigan. He also expressed distaste in planet-wide genocide, yet he executed this kind of genocide himself. This makes him a power-crazy, ignorant, foolish, cowardly hypocrite.
Jim Raynor is cool.

What does this tell us? Yup. 2/3 of the Terrans suck, and 2/3 of them are xenophobic bast4rds. 3/3 of the Terrans would lose against the Overmind in IQ tests. 1/3 of the Terrans were willing to kill his own soldiers and whole planets in order to get some bling. 1/3 of the Terrans couldn't just settle with having a dog as pet but had to go try tame an Overmind. 1/3 of the Terrans lost his best buddy to Kerrigan, a best buddy who consisted of yellow steel, a corpse and blue Gatorade. 1/3 of the Terrans killed his best friend. 1/3 of the Terrans had hots on his employer's second-in-command. 1/3 of the Terrans went nuts against the other 2/3 Terrans and started acting all "ALL UR BASE R BELONG TO US". These 2/3 Terrans joined up with Kerrigan. 1/3 of the Terrans have been destroyed utterly due to the previously mentioned alliance, while 1/3 Terrans sits broken in spirit upon his throne after having been betrayed by his "ally". The last 1/3 Terrans do it nomad-style and goes round n round in the sector looking for the gurl which he had hots on before she got consumed by Le' Zerg. 1/3 of the Terrans have his own pimped up BC, yeah!

[Lemonparty]

Confederate are worse, I'd say 3/3.1 Terrans suck, UED just sucks less and Jim does pwn.

[capthavic]

And the UED were crazy enough to think they could tame the zerg. The UED is just as crazy/corrupt as the Dominion.

[Lemonparty]

buuuut they didn't kill millions of innocents!

[capthavic]

They let that colony be over run (BW opening cinimatic), sought to control the zerg to use as a weapon (much like the Confed), allowed Duran manipulate them and kill stukov, and at the peak of their control clamped down on the sector as hard as either the Dominion and Confed.

Mengsk is evil no doubt, but the UED weren't exactly saints either.

[GuiMontag]

the kropulus sector has almost no humans in it after broodwar so if terrans are going to play a big part in the overall story we will have to see the UED return. Terrans never had a major impact on the overall story of sc1, other than being wiped out and being infested, the overall story was about the zerg coming to defeat protoss.
Hopefully the great power that Duran serves will awaken and destroy half of the kropulu sector, then move on to defeat the terrans on earth :P

[Itsmyship]

As I stated before...Raynor/Stukov team > all. :P

[mc2]

I wasn't a fan of the UED. I do liked stukov though, he's smart and idealistic, too bad he was killed by one of his closest friend.

The UED was very powerful until Kerrigan manipulated her way through the Zerg-Protoss alliance that defeated the UED in Korhal as well as slaughtering the "pet Overmind". Their interference of the events in the Kropulu sector proves to be a terrible mistake. As the admiral suicided and the rest killed off by Kerrigan's minions.

[Exterranminator]

DuGalle sucks because he was a power-crazy, ignorant fool who killed his best buddy and believed he could tame a creature that would by far surpass him in any IQ test.
Mengsk sucks because he is a power-crazy, ignorant fool who brought about doom on the sector by abandoning Kerrigan. He also expressed distaste in planet-wide genocide, yet he executed this kind of genocide himself. This makes him a power-crazy, ignorant, foolish, cowardly hypocrite.
Jim Raynor is cool.


Jim Raynor is a naive (but anyway cool) guy, who helped Kerrigan return to power and who helped Mengsk to lure Zerg into Koptulu sector. :)
Anyway I dont agree only with that Mengsk is a fool. He left Kerrigan cuz he believed that she will be killed by the Zerg. It was an error, but he didnt know, that Zerg are interested exacly with capturing Kerrigan. Its also clear that he couldnt know about Kerrigan's rank in the Zerg Swarm.
With the rest of this opinion, despite i like Mengsk a lot, I have to agree :)

PS. Why do u believe the taming of the Overmind by De Gualle was imposible? He did it. With lots of problems, but he did. Whats the difference in Overmind's IQ while he was on crack and couldnt think clearly?

[DontHate]

I accually like dugalle. dont' know why, but he's just cool.

[Lemonparty]

and he's dead too

[Itsmyship]

I actually liked DuGalle...i loved the UED altogether :P
And as for Mengsk....obviously you don't think like a general/politician. He had only two choices...1) Stay in the 8x8 cell Kerrigan was talking about or 2) Co-operate with Kerrigan and in the process retake Korhal and have a shot at restoring the Empire. Bascially....Mengsk sucks balls, but I like his character. I liked DuGalle's character as well.

Still....no matter what, the best human team is Raynor and Stukov's band of merry men.  ;D

[concreteasflesh]

Well most of the Terran sector is destroyed, im guessing raynor will stick it out with the protoss and deal with taking out Kerrigan and Megnsk will try to rebuild his empire, but overall i think that the Terrans are doomed without the help of Mankind and the UED, ide be interested in seeing a more straight forward, strict, take no BS admiral come marching in from our Solar system and put Mengsk in place, possibly keep him like a nice puppet (like Pres. Bush!) and take control of the Terran forces and deal properly and unmercifully with them wretched Zerg....

[Exterranminator]

Indeed UED was the strongest terran faction in SC.
Indeed Mengsk is a freakin' motherf*** and thats why i like him.
And indeed it would be good to see UED again, but not sooner that in ecpantion.

[Itsmyship]

See, this is why I'm thinking Terran are gonna have the last missions in SC2, because so far, everyone has in some way won except the Terran....Terran need their dues!  :P
I'm preety sure the UED is gonna send a new fleet because 1) It's been 10 years to rebuild and learn, 2) I remember in one mission where Kerrigan was telling Raynor about how he knows the UED agenda, and we have yet to hear the FULL EXTENT of that agenda, and 3) If you read wiki, it said something about how the UED made a mass genocide of like...200,000,000, all "criminals," so I don't think they're running short of people to send.

P.S.
I love how this forum has little, suttle ways to be anti-bush without causing a riot :P

[Arachanox]

Wasn't the entire UED fleet massacred by Kerrigan at the end of Brood War? So only Korhal and Earth are left...

[GuiMontag]

no, only a small fleet, the power of the UED must be unbelievable considering that the terrans in kropula sector started with about 400,000 people and no infrastructure, earth at that time had about 20 billion people. but perhaps the biggest factor is that there are no minerals anywhere near earth, so development would have been loads slower.

[Lemonparty]

20 billion people on Earth.. how can you even live, and the Asian:Non-Asian ratio would be like 5:1

[DontHate]

i bet there are people living on the moon and possibly mars and whatnot.

[concreteasflesh]

if your kind enough to your selves and read the booklet to brood war it states that the UPL/UED controlled Earth and its sister planets, meaning and logically that the UED wasnt based on earth alone, think of it as Tarsonis/Korhal, the central point with many expansions. and to think its 300-400 years from our future its easily logical if they can send a fleet to a distant system and populate it then long ago they must have already over populated their own/our own solar system. so the UED is fo sho not finished and still has cards in its hand...and a couple up its sleeve too . . ..

[DontHate]

yea. That'd be awesome if the UED sent in more of their forces. I really hope they're not out of the game just becasue of a little defeat.

[kingsky123]

actually i think the UED might not come for a 2nd wave. meaning it lies on mengsk's empire and raynor's raiders

[Light]

Both terrans and the toss need to rebuild their civilizations, on the brink of zerg domination. But arent UED hungry for revenge? it could be an interesting twist of tale.

[JudicatorPrime]

They'll come back with huge ass cruisers 4x the size of a Battlecruiser, a huge ass flagship and start nuking every planet they come by.

[Shadowdragon]

The problem I had with the UED was with the bizarre similarity of its units to the dominions. Shouldn't it have had vastly different units? I don’t think that was ever explained. But I would be very surprised if the UED didn’t send a expedition to report what happened to the fleet they had sent there. After all, would you send in a fleet to investigate what happened to a fleet that suddenly disappeared? So, they may have a presence in starcraft 2, but it’s not likely to be big one. It’s more likely to be running across a UED surveillance outpost and taking it out.

[SirBaron]

I'd guess gameplay issues, Shadowdragon. It'd be like introducting a 4th race, and you know how little they want that, etc etc yadda yadda. Also, i think the Dominion story from a player's perspective was quite thin, i mean, Mengsk got what he want... there was little left for him to do at that time... now, ofc, he has his hands full with rebuilding the Dominion and bring back some balance to it, while simoultaneously defending himself from Kerrigan and the SUPERSECRET 4TH RACE, LED BY DURAN!!! KEKEKE... just kidding. No 4th race, although i hope the Hybrids make at least some appearance. They ought to, or it'll just end up feeling like FF7 - hundreds of loose ends and no answers to them...

[DontHate]

yes, i was never fond of the dominion. 1 question though, what does ofc mean?

[Shadowdragon]

In this case, of course. It can also be slang for an office, though that's not what he meant i'm sure ^^.

[AnArchY]

Heres What I think, UED, the UED still at earth that is, won't re-appear til SC2's expansion pack, til then Stukov and Raynor will be putting together a new Terran Faction to rival and eventually surpass the Dominion as the major terran faction, Stukov will have the Confederates, the UED remnants of the expeditionary fleet, and Raynor's Raiders, along with some Protoss support when Raynor calls in a favor, the Dominion will be pwned.

Then Once the UED comes back stronger than before, Stukov will either side with it and make the UED that much more powerful, or he will fight against them as well, due to either the UED not accepting him, or him being pissed off at them.

Anyone who thinks the UED isn't coming back because they aren't ABLE to is silly, the UED can come in and crush the 3 races so easily its not even funny, the question is, do they feel like it, or will they wait, let things play out and wipe up the mess, or if the zerg are to win, wait for the zerg to come to them.

The UED isn't done, It may not have a big role in SC2 besides for helping to form Stukov's new Faction, but if theres an expansion(i hope theres more than 1 this time) or another sequel, then they'll return at some point.

[zeratul11]

and UED should have different sets of units from the TD. they should have more high tech and futuristic equipments and war arsenals because they are way richer than the TD. ^^

not only thors but gundam like robots. haha.

[AnArchY]

omgz gundam wing was tight, the epyon pwned!

Yeah I sort of thought the UED should've had more advanced weapons, but it was just an expansion pack and they are still 'terran' so due to those and the amazingness of SC i decided it wasn't that important since the UED pwned anyways, maybe they left all their advanced stuff back around Earth so as not to shock and awe the humans in the Korpulu sector too much with their pwnsauce.

[JudicatorPrime]

Gundam's lame, if anything they should have the mecha of the Earth Forces from Zone of the Enders.

[AnArchY]

I only watched Gundam Wing, and that was cool, but of course they wouldn't be gundams or whatever, because in that show anyways, all fighting was done through the use of those robots, in SC they would simply be another unit.

[Tibalt[terranz]989]

Personally I prefer the ragtag worlds of the Koprulu sector over the UED. If say the UED came in and took over then to me that really diminishes the importance of the whole SC mythos. Doesn't matter all the trials and tribulations that took the terrans from the Great Purification to the Long Sleep to the arrival of the Zerg and the discovery of the Protoss. I would hate for them to say the UED takes over. In my mind its kinda like America and the UK. Sure we started as British colonists but now we're not and it can never go back to how it was before. I dont love the Dominion but I dont want the UED in charge either. Im hoping Raynor somehow succeeds in his revolution and creates a Democracy from the ashes of the Dominion.

[AnArchY]

Democracies are boring and no fun, and the UK and america analogy is something I thought of earlier as well, UK could've sent more troops, and they would've crushed us, just as UED can do, its just UK didn't think it was worth it so they didn't, so will UED be lazy and say w/e we'll chill for now, or will they strike back with a fury that'll make kerrigan go find a hole to hide in.

[Tibalt[terranz]989]

Well I think something that makes U.S./U.K different from SC is we didn't have two other counties(races) in the mix at the time we were fighting for our independence. Sure the UED might be able to conquer the Dominion but I doubt they could do it with the Zerg and Protoss blasting them at the same time. The Dominion has the advantage that they are already dug in and have their territory to fall back to. If the UED gets in a bad way they only have Earth which is millions of lightyears away.

[AnArchY]

Can't take on the other two races? they seemed to do fine taking on everybody in BW til Duran made it all implode, which gives me an idea...WHat if Duran Made the UED lose so that they wouldn't interfere and all of the UED somehow getting mixed up in the Xel-Naga coming to destroy everything in the sector.

[BoydofZINJ]

The invasion force was wiped out, according to the text at the end of Broodwar. However, the UED did come from Earth and since Earth is untouched by the effects of Starcraft and/or Broodway that we know of - Earth does exist and the UED still, should, still exist (unless someone on Earth overthrew them or they merged with someone else).

We have no idea the current politics of Earth and UED. However, someone else pointed out in another thread the UED forces seemed to have less technology than the Terrans in SC and had to resort to stealing techologies and forces and ships from the existing Terrans. War, generally speaking, is a great motivation to develop new technologies to "beat" your enemies. In World War 2 the allies were at war with the axis. The Axis developed jet engines on fighter craft at the end and the allies discovered atomic energy and splitting the atom. Both of which, is a valuable part of our modern day society to this day - and valuable part of the Starcraft technologies in the future! If Earth and the UED remains relatively peaceful then it is highly possible they will remain BELOW the technological edge of the Terrans in Starcraft2. However, knowing that war might be possible could "stir" and the Terrans on earth to a warpath mode and help them bridge the gap or pass them up - as well.

Personally, I would love to find out that there are some Terrans, Zerg, and Protoss in another sector of space that is different than what is happening in Starcraft, Broodwar, and/or Starcraft 2. A smaller sector that the races went to be rebels and then they found each other and want to kill each other to prevent a Broodwar or Starcraft 2 from happening but end up causing one anyhow situation.

[Joneagle_X]

I'm pretty sure the UED is coming back. I remember reference to a way to send long-distance messages to Earth even though they might take a long time.

I think the UED will be the deciding factor later in the game. It is possible that the storyline might end with the Terrans in search of their homeworld.

[Drafter]

personally I'm a Terran fan too but I also don't think the UED on earth gonna show up that soon , even if they do they gonna hunt down Jim Raynor and Mengsk

[GrahamTastic]

Wow, are you a Republican? The ONLY good guys in the whole game are James Raynor (and his group), and the Protoss. The UED were supposed to be the poster boys of domination and evil, the selfish humans seeking new space. They were never meant to control the Koprulu sector. The only reason they were in the story was because they were supposed to be the outsiders that caused a stir between the races that were already in the area. They were never meant to meddle in the Koprulu sector's affairs. They tried to expand to a place where they didn't belong, and they failed. If StarCraft has a message, it is that mankind is not the master of the universe. They are the flawed creation, and only a few of them are worthy of ruling. The way I see it, the only way that the Koprulu sector will be stable is if Raynor conquers the racist Dominion, the Protoss become united and begin to expand, and if the UED stays out of the picture. A second UED strike would mean disaster for the delicate sector. I really hope they don't mess things up again.


UNLESS, of course, they team up with Raynor or the Protoss. That might actually be an interesting plot twist...

[Itsmyship]

Hahahaha!!! You would just love it if you found out that the Protoss were actually our secret guardians would you? :P
Anyway, I hope that the UED comes back. I loved playing their missions, I loved their backround story, and somehow the thought of a united Earth going out and making a galactic empire just sounds awesome to me >:D :)

[slugonice]

The UED have an armada on the way. though i would like to know how many lightyears they are away

[GrahamTastic]

Hahahaha!!! You would just love it if you found out that the Protoss were actually our secret guardians would you? :P
Anyway, I hope that the UED comes back. I loved playing their missions, I loved their backround story, and somehow the thought of a united Earth going out and making a galactic empire just sounds awesome to me >:D :)

How about this: Raynor and the Protoss team up against the combined forces of the UED and the Dominion, and then in the middle of the war, Kerrigan comes out of hiding and back into the picture. That would be crazy. (Even though there isn't much of a chance that Mengsk could ever get along with the UED)

[AnArchY]

Mengsk can get along with anybody, the UED on the other hand when it sends another fleet will take 0 prisoners, atleast as far as the Dominion is concerned, they and the zerg are the main reasons why they came in the 1st place.

The UED remnants would be more willing to ally themselves with the protoss or raynor, or another minor terran faction, but not the Dominion.

[VarunaSky]

Anyone else hoping the UED with have specialized units since there technology is more advance then the terrans

[LordofAngels]

OO! I want specialized, UED only Terran Units! Like upgraded Stealth Fighter..... or aeral version of Thor..... or Huge BC that serve as AirCraft Carrier!! And mostly.... fighters!!! Terrans now have really sucky Fighters, and I really want UED to have good fighters!!!

Anyhow, UED is still powerfull. Remember, although the fleet had famous admiral, it was still an expeditionary Recon Fleet. There is tens, if not hundreds, of UED Fleets around the Solar System. However, the fact that no fleet made back to Earth means that UED might not yet know what happened to their expeditionary Fleet. Plus Kerrigan might have already started to battle Earth, and UED is busy with that. Either way, I don't think UED will make any surprise visit to Sector soon...... I'm guessing during the Final Hour, the UED will come to make the job a bit more difficult for Protoss....... That is my belief, but UED is definitely strong, and it will take more that what Kerrigan has to destroy UED. Man Humans have really came a long way since worring about Martians attacking us......

[brc9210]

Just because the fleet was destroyed doesn't mean anything. UED knows about zerg and everything and not hearing anything at all will let them know o **** our fleet got destroyed or sometihng

[AnArchY]

Yeah, but I still think Dugalle's message was sent to his wife(and the UED being the futuristic all knowing, all controlling government it is) intercepted the message and knows what happened to the fleet, they then proceeded to tell humanity they won in Korpulu, but secretly are planning their next move.

The Protoss seemed to be the UED smallest concern in the sector during Broodwar, the Dominion and the Zerg were their main objectives, and this will probably continue to be the case, well, the Artifacts and preventing the Xel-Naga from pwning them will be also, but a question:

Is the Xel-Naga planning to destroy EVERYTHING, or just everything in the Korpulu Sector, if thats the case, UED won't care because the super-advanced aliens are just going to do their job for them.

[Unentschieden]

The UED force in SC:BW wasn´t as big as it first seems imho. They must have been in the sector for quite some time to know the happenings and formulate a plan including the overmind. They attacked in the aftermath of the SC mess that all factions in the sector were weakened from. Their primary concern was the protection of earth from the Aliens and control over the Colonies. If they had a more substantial force they would have destroyed the Zerg instead of trying to control them. They needed the Zerg to secure their control over the Terran colonies, they were more or less "defeated" when the Overmind died (again). They made a reapearance in "Omega" (last mission of BW) together with their enemys-why? Kerrigans death would have allowed them to retake the control over the Zerg (assuming Mensk wouldn´t have been faster).

[Drafter]

Wow, are you a Republican?

How did you know...

[ijffdrie]

most people here dont realize that the UED, never got word from it's fleet, they know nothing about it's destruction

[ijffdrie]

my guess is... that the human race is actually xel'naga descendant, this would make the terrans fit in better and would explain why duran apeared human

[Unentschieden]

The fleet had contact with earth. Thats what the Terran cinematic after Chapter V was. Their fleet might arrive ~Christmas 2008 with the expansion. Then they might appear like modified Terrans like the Blood elves were Modified Humans in WC3 TFT.

[GuiMontag]

The UED had been observing the terrans in Kropula for a long time, they would know that their fleet was destroyed.

[Drafter]

The UED had been observing the terrans in Kropula for a long time, they would know that their fleet was destroyed.


They did?Anyway I think they did knew the ill news since the Admiral at the last bw scene sent a message to Earth...did they have long distance internet already?

[GuiMontag]

its in the prologue for the first terran campain of broodwar.

[ShdwyTemplar]

Here's my Informative Post of the Day

First off for the Fate of the UED they have been stated to be returning in SC2, although, the impact on the storyline is at this moment unknown.

Second, yes the UED did know and had been watching the Koprulu Sector, but, has chosen not to intervene until they came across the Zerg and Protoss. At that moment the Zerg and Protoss were come across the control of Earth went from UPL( United Powers League) to the UED ( United Earth Dictorate) in the method by which they had been watching the Sector is unknown,but, I suspect a Deep Space Probe. After the formation of the UED Earth sent a Military Force Expedition to the Sector in suspended animation as that was the only way to get a force their. It seems technology involving suspended animation was advanced, but, not enough to allow for a vast force to go through space.

Thirdly, Earth most likely has not gotten a message , if there even is one, from the UED Expeditionary Fleet as it would take a vast amount of time between the message being sent and it arriving. I take that from the fact that the fleet was formed when the Zerg, Protoss, and Terran first made contact and being that it was a good period of time between that and when the UED Fleet arrived in the Sector.

Source
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/UED
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6171178.html

There is my analysis.

[Ensomgrav]

wasn't the UED fleet in BW just a crappy little expedition fleet? I'm sure if the UED really wanted to fight something they would send alot more ships and men.

[Shadowdragon]

An expedition fleet is not always crappy. An expedition fleet is one that is used to fight in a usually distant foreign country. The loss of the fleet would hurt the UED (Gerard DuGalle WAS called the most highly-decorated admiral in the UED), but it IS just one fleet. The impact would be harsh, but far from decisive.

[Wlck742]

The UED practically had no risk to their homeworld at all while they were taking part in this "conflict." Their homeworld (or ours I should say) was light-years away and no enemy of theirs including the Zerg and the Protoss would be able to arrive at earth without warning. Besides, the UED had far better technology than the Dominion, and even with crappy(er) technology, the expedition fleet was able to hold their own for a long time against their enemies. The only reason the expedition fleet was using the Dominion's technology was because they were so far from their homeworld and they had no choice. I doubt losing a fleet that wasn't even made from their own technology had much impact on them aside from DuGalle and Stukov's deaths.

[Ensomgrav]

The UED probably has better technology then the terrans in the koprulu sector especially by now. Think of it, if it takes suspended animation to get there on FTL travel speeds, then we're talking about months, even years. It took the original Terrans 50+ years to get to the K-Sector on the FTL drives that were available. Even with technological advances made, if their drives got twice as fast it would still take 20 plus years to get there.

Lets say a message goes much faster through space(if any was sent lets say at 20 times better then the original FTL drives) it would still take a good couple of years for any thing to get through back to earth.

Then all the red tape from that operation would make any kind of decision making for the UED generals and admirals long and troublesome.

That time gap should impact technology on the UED faction , given by my theory the fleet we saw in BW was at least 10+ years old. Alot can happen in a few decades. Also another point that can be made by my theory is that we wont be seeing much of the UED in starcraft 2, given that it takes alot of resources and time to construct a fleet, and even more time to move it to the K-Sector.

[Wlck742]

I doubt we'll see the UED much too for the same reasons. Unless the campaign covers an insanely long period of time or the UED perfected instant travel, the only UED we'll see left is a couple of survivors that weren't caught in the Zerg attack.

[Ensomgrav]

true, but if blizzard pulls a move like UED mastering instant travel , then i will personally kick them in the teeth unless there is some damned good back story .

[AnArchY]

I don't expect the UED to return with a new fleet, nor do I want it to happen till the expansion.

However I do think the UED remnants should be consolidated by Stukov, and he should merge them with Raynor's Raiders and/or the Confederate Remnants(which were helping Stukov when he became infested with whatever studies he was conducting).

A UED/Raynor's Raiders/Confederate coalition would have no problem taking over as the supreme Terran Faction especially with the Dominion being screwed up and Stukov's leadership.

why would raynor or the confederates do this?

Well lets see UED does it because of two reasons: Survival and instead of holding down an outpost on some volcanic planet waiting for another fleet to arrive they can help the backup they think is coming by continuing to pressure the UED's Enemies.

Raynor does it because his luck seems to have been down as of late, and I bet he trusts Stukov more than any other human who offered an alliance, and Stukov would bring promise and hope of ending this crazy ass war.

Confederates do it because it offers them a return to power, and probably better funded expiraments, cause they're up to something in those labrotories, and i'm kind of eager to find out what it is and what kind of headway they've made since we last heard anything of significance from them(when Megnsk pwned them)

[Ensomgrav]

wasn't stukov confirmed K.I.A ?

[AnArchY]

in a bonus mission in SC64 which was later ported to the PC Stukov is found infested by Artanis, Raynor, and Taldarin(some Dragoon which fought with Adun), Stukov wasn't at full strength yet and had a base of Terran and Zerg(though most of his Terran troops were fleeing due to being scared of the zerg and crap) and he was eventually captured, injected with Nanites or some crap which reversed his infestation before it became totally complete, they then escaped and Stukov was gratful however slightly regretted losing the power he felt while infested.

there was also two missions before that which can be dled along with the third off blizzard's site in which infested stukov played a role, in one(maybe both but I don't remember) he was spotted with confederates.

so...yeah he was shot, but apparently not killed, who infested him? a renegade cerebrate? Kerrigan?, Duran? who knows but he did live on, and I hope that Blizzard doesn't abondon this added storyline they created, and hopefully he'll appear in SCII.

[Ensomgrav]

I'm pretty sure they shot him out of a space cannon in a funeral rite.

[Blackskies]

Okay in the story line it states that the fleet the UED sent was a small fraction of their initial army. Their actual fleet is so huge it cannot even be put into numbers. Their technology at this point must be amazing as I am willing to bet some form of technology was sent back to them from the korpulu sector. Not only that but now they know what their are up against and have better knowledge of the surrounding area. They could send fleet after fleet into the korpulu if they wanted to. But the zerg would probably still beat them because the zerg pwn anyone. The UED will show up in an expansion pack no doubt just like in BW. When they do people will ally against them. Stuckov will probably be dead by then because with out a doubt he would side with Earth. I don't care who you are Earth is home for stuckov and you don't go to war with a place you call home.

and as for the time it takes for them to get them.
Don't forget that it wasn't till shortly after the terran dominion defeated the confederates that the UED found out and got the initiative to come to the Korpulu sector. This means that it only took the time between Starcraft and BW for them to organize a fleet and send it. So it would make sense it it takes less then maybe 5 years to travel from earth to the korpulu sector.

[Zacron]

I hope that Blizzard doesn't abondon this added storyline they created, and hopefully he'll appear in SCII.

Returned with a private army known as Stukov Saboteurs i hope.^^

[ShdwyTemplar]

One thing we don't know is what if Earth has returned to a unalligned state and is now at war? The Koprulu Sector would be worthless to them if that is the case now. We have to remember it took a long time for the UED to get there from Earth.

[AnArchY]

pretty sure two alien races trying to destroy another human faction, one of which wants to destroy anything and everything, with a third race coming to kill all three of those, might just peak some interests back on lil ol' earth, sure if they're in civil war they'd handle that first, but they'd keep an eye on korpulu.

[L89]

We're screwed anyway with aliens or not. I've just read today (again) that by 2050, half of the world is going to be without proper sanitation and 2/3 going to have water shortage. We sure like to f@#$ ourselves. Sorry to be so depressing.

[Shadowdragon]

Edited out quotes. Please read the forum rules and refrain from quoting unnecessarily. Do not quote the post above your own.


The old "population bomb" theory.

The problem is that large populations tend to get culled, by a virus or by war. Sometimes both. After that, things get better fairly quickly.

[Kimera757]

Facts, not fantasy.

1) No ships got back to Earth. This doesn't prevent messages from getting back to Earth. (Remember the propaganda video. That kind of thing would be sent to Earth.)

We don't know how long the information would take to get to Earth. It can certainly get there; if the UED/UPL had no way of getting information from the Koprulu Sector, then how did they know about the destruction of Chau Sara?

Information is good, but not as good as actual experience. If the UED had gotten even a single person back, they would have a more realistic view of what happened to their fleet.

2) At the BlizzCon lore panel, we were told the UED wouldn't come back. However, there may be remnants of the initial invasion force stuck in the Koprulu Sector. In addition, the UED could come back in an expansion, StarCraft III, Worlds of StarCraft, etc. They're not going to appear in the game coming out this year or next, though.

3) At the same panel, we were told the Expeditionary Fleet was relatively small.

4) The UED used Terran technology due to gameplay constraints. However, StarCraft II's map editor will be much better than StarCraft I's; there could be a UED "subrace" the same way blood elves were a "subrace" of the Alliance (or Nagas, an entirely NPC race). At the lore panel, we were told the UED had better technology than the Terrans.

5) Is Mengsk nuts?

"I will rule this sector or see it burnt to ashes around me."

Seems like it to me.


Bonus 200 minerals for an informative post

[L89]

The old "population bomb" theory.

The problem is that large populations tend to get culled, by a virus or by war. Sometimes both. After that, things get better fairly quickly.


Ha, now instead of a miracle we just wait for Bird Flu or WWIII...I guess this is a tad less depressing than...uh...the population bomb theory ;). But thanks for your post...never dawned to me all those statistics had a name.

[SmoothBore]

The old "population bomb" theory.

The problem is that large populations tend to get culled, by a virus or by war. Sometimes both. After that, things get better fairly quickly.


Certainly, they get better, things improve, but your'e still left with the environmental hang over of the previous generation. Some things humans do simply don't go away, each time there is a 'culling' the capacity to have a large population diminishes. The problem with having something like the UED is that a) is doesn't account for the environmental effects that this type of society would have, b) because this, it is unlikely that something like the UED could ever form, or sustain itself for a long time.

If anything I would say in the future, human populations will have low levels of technology and government control, and a much smaller population than we see today.

[furrer]

Did you also know that the "pest" resulted in a big technical development, because the "normal" man wanted more money paid from the "lords", so the lords needed to adapt to still have their big position in the society.
But its normal known that viruses and wars happened when a big population occurred. Right know Africa is dying out, because (perhaps) they had a great surplus population...

[Shadowdragon]

Well...forming something like the UED is possible, but it would require...an unnatural twist.

[furrer]

It would require COMMUNISM!

[blindoutlaw]

if the UED does make a return, they should get there own art designs, so instead of just terran marines with UED colours lets get some cool art designs for the UED and some cool NPC units for them (like the Knolls and Ogers from warcraft 3)

see what blizzard can cook up for them

[Xarthat]

UED must have really big force somewhere near Earth, but do they know of DuGalle's defeat? Not a single ship made it way back to Earth, so they might only consider if DuGalle's done or not. Well, if they already know (somehow) I think now Kerrigan nor the Protoss could stop them (they could've stoped them when they were at full force, before the Infestation of Aiur, but not now). But then, there is Xel'Naga coming back... I would like to see battle UED vs Xel'Naga in expansion of SC2.

[Zekko]

UED is a genocidal creation on the mother planet, Earth. UED , or what became the UED, committed genocide on thousands of their people on Earth and then experimented with prisoners that probably didn't belong in prison in the first place. The UED sent the prisoners off on three ships which got screwed up navigation and ended up in the Koprulu sector and found themselves entwined in a Protoss vs Zerg war while at war with eachother. UED is 'enlightened communism' and the Terrans of the Koprulu sector represent the last bastion of what it means to be human.
Remember, none of the Earth bound humans consider Terrans necessarily human. At first Terrans were criminals from Earth and a science experiment. They created their own civilization SEPARATE from authoritarian UED and Earth. I can see ALL the Terran factions in the Koprulu sector teaming up to prevent a UED take over again probably with the help of some Protoss as Protoss also have similar intra-racial problems.

Its like this. The UED doesn't consider the TERRANS exactly human , at least not the Earthling concept of human. Terrans have developed separately from their Earth/Earth colony human brothers. The Terrans had more exposure to Zergs and Protoss culture than Earthling brothers for a while. Like I said, the UED technology might be more sophisticated than Koprulu Terran technology but I am willing to bet Terrans have more psychic potential.

In a war between the TD and UED , I would go for the TD but I would hope they obliterate eachother. I'd like to see Raynor and all the freedom minded Terran, Mutates ( with Zerg) , and Protoss liberate the Terran worlds of all maniacs and then I'd love to see Raynor decide to go liberate Earth from the UED ( maybe with Protoss back up :), can you imagine the Earthling brothers seeing a Protoss mothership emerging from the sky lol.

But the Zerg might just kill everyone , including Earth so....

[Tetra Cerata]

I am very fond of UED. Be patriotic, support EARTH :)

[blind_outlaw]

For The Mother Planet Comrades!!!!

[Nickalisk]

Wasn't the UED force sent to the sector only a fraction Earths Forces?

According to the guide manuel, some of the larger broods only have like 10 million zergs, earth must have atleast 20 billion inhabitants by now... human swarm anyone?

[Gasmaskguy]

You can try that out in the editor actually. Make 2000 Civilians fight 1 Zergling. Notice how the Zergling eats them all. :P

[kuvasz]

Haha I imagined them going 'I like animals so I won't kick back' :D

[JudicatorPrime]

How does communism detract from your Humanity? Last I checked no form of government has exclusivity on that. Also you seemed to contradict yourself, unless you really mean that ex-cons turned lab rats is what it means to be the quintessential human being. As for the more psychic potential, that doesn't really matter. All we know is that one Terran Ghost went awol and became queen ***** of the universe, but UED has some psychic's too, including the ones who helped control the Overmind.


If the expeditionary force was... Just that, Earth could possibly obliterate the Terrans and Protoss at the same time, and could go toe to toe with Kerrigan's Zerg. It depends on the level of expansion they've achieved in their own space, and also what they've been doing all this time. The latter of which is where I get doubtful, they had such an edge of the would-be Terrans years ago, yet they've failed to surpass them technology wise.

The UED on Earth probably know DuGalle failed. Thats the most common, and logical assumption to make. They could always send a scout party to go in and out.

As for Earth and 20 Billion inhabitants, it's impossible. Earth doesn't have the carry capacity, and if UED has more sovereign worlds out in the Earth sector that can bring food to Earth thats just impractical. A good home world needs to be self sustaining :)

[Zekko]

How does communism detract from your Humanity? Last I checked no form of government has exclusivity on that. Also you seemed to contradict yourself, unless you really mean that ex-cons turned lab rats is what it means to be the quintessential human being. As for the more psychic potential, that doesn't really matter. All we know is that one Terran Ghost went awol and became queen ***** of the universe, but UED has some psychic's too, including the ones who helped control the Overmind.


If the expeditionary force was... Just that, Earth could possibly obliterate the Terrans and Protoss at the same time, and could go toe to toe with Kerrigan's Zerg. It depends on the level of expansion they've achieved in their own space, and also what they've been doing all this time. The latter of which is where I get doubtful, they had such an edge of the would-be Terrans years ago, yet they've failed to surpass them technology wise.

The UED on Earth probably know DuGalle failed. Thats the most common, and logical assumption to make. They could always send a scout party to go in and out.

As for Earth and 20 Billion inhabitants, it's impossible. Earth doesn't have the carry capacity, and if UED has more sovereign worlds out in the Earth sector that can bring food to Earth thats just impractical. A good home world needs to be self sustaining :)

Well I have to agree that all forms of government and the state are inherently evil. Just that communism has a particular element about it that amplifies that evil ten fold. Based on the Starcraft lore , I was describing the differences between the Terran colonists and the Earth based UED. There are profound differences but that doesn't mean one side isn't human.
Didn't you notice DuGalle's and even Stukov's condescending attitude toward the Terran colonists? They clearly didn't consider them 'as human as' themselves hailing from the Earth dominated fraction of the galaxy.

The roots of the Ghost Program can be traced back to earthbound experiments but it really only took off in the Terran colonies under the Terran Confederacy. We know that the Terran Confederacy was actually modeled a lot like the UED back on Earth though it claimed no such loyalty to the UED ( that we know of) and that the Terran technology was picked up by the data left over on the prison ships from the ATLAS program.

But as the colonies lived on apart from Earth they developed their own culture distinct from Earth which in my opinion was more independent. This isn't to say that the Terran Confederacy or the new Terran Dominion is actually BETTER than the UED ethically but I would argue theres even more freedom in that than in the UED. And please, I don't think the UED can take on a combined force of colonist Terrans and Protoss, I think they would get slaughtered. Perhaps they stand a better chance now since the Protoss have been nearly obliterated but they reconstruct fast. Plus, the Protoss the UED faced was severely weakened and they didn't face the full blunt of a Protoss fleet. Remember the Conclave outlawed old protoss weapons like the Colossi ( which are back in SC2 :)) The UED seemed to have the same problem the Protoss had before the fall of Auir. They were too confident and underestimated their enemies.

[Zekko]

Btw, Kerrigan didn't really go awol as a ghost. She was abandoned by Mengsk.
And I actually think in the advanced Starcraft world a 20 billion population on Earth is sustainable.
Remember, humans now have technology to alter the atmosphere and natural hospitality around their environment.
Remember humans were able to create an artificial atmosphere on Nemaka when Ramsey led his team there. Even Bhekhar Ro was able to be settled. These planets are much more hostile than , say, Antarctica or what we think about as uninhabitable regions on Earth. If we can create sustainable colonies on other more hostile planets I don't know why that can be done with places on Earth.

[Ensomgrav]

I can honestly say , I wouldnt mind having a mission on earth. An invasion/invasion defense mission would be awesome.

[blind_outlaw]

I can honestly say , I wouldnt mind having a mission on earth. An invasion/invasion defense mission would be awesome.


That would be cool, even if its just a easter egg mission you get at the end that has nothing to do with the story, it would be great to play



and have the UED like the blood elves from warcraft 3, they have similar units to the Terrans but there are some changes and different art designs that let you know they are a different faction

[Ensomgrav]

I'm sure they'll include something like it. if not im sure somebody will make it.

[freedom23]

i want to see earth as a totally iron-planet much like the deathstar from starwars but not totally like that... just the idea of it being no more a blue planet but a technologically space planet since its the future anyway.. and it will be the UEDs prime base for operations about to be invaded by the zerg or hybrids lolz

[blind_outlaw]

@ freedom

so you mean like there is no natural environment left coz the huge cities of earth span the entire face of the planet, coz that would be cool, the UED has destroyed nature, those bastards:)

[Ensomgrav]

The Deathstar was a huge space station, not a planet. Get your facts straight.
I could see earth as totally industrial in that time period.

[Gradius]

Remember, none of the Earth bound humans consider Terrans necessarily human. At first Terrans were criminals from Earth and a science experiment.
They weren't a science experiment. They were sent out as an experiment for settling other colonies.

Its like this. The UED doesn't consider the TERRANS exactly human , at least not the Earthling concept of human.
They consider them human, they just still see them as convicts. Remember that their goal was to enslave them.

If the expeditionary force was... Just that, Earth could possibly obliterate the Terrans and Protoss at the same time, and could go toe to toe with Kerrigan's Zerg.
Expeditionary does not necesarily mean small, but Blizz did say that it was a very small portion of their fleet.


It depends on the level of expansion they've achieved in their own space, and also what they've been doing all this time. The latter of which is where I get doubtful, they had such an edge of the would-be Terrans years ago, yet they've failed to surpass them technology wise.
The official explanation is that the UED had to steal Koprulu tech when they came here, in order to not give away their technological secrets. An entire mission was devoted to this actually. I think that they had to do this because they couldn't adapt their tech to run off the resources that grow along the galactic rim (minerals & vespene).


As for Earth and 20 Billion inhabitants, it's impossible. Earth doesn't have the carry capacity, and if UED has more sovereign worlds out in the Earth sector that can bring food to Earth thats just impractical. A good home world needs to be self sustaining :)
Earth already had a population of 23 billion according to the manual. It definitely has other colonies, but remember that it failed to bring order to a few South American volatile states and might be engaged in wars with them. If you take a look at their growth factor, it's possible for them to have a population of over 100 billion.

And please, I don't think the UED can take on a combined force of colonist Terrans and Protoss, I think they would get slaughtered. Perhaps they stand a better chance now since the Protoss have been nearly obliterated but they reconstruct fast. Plus, the Protoss the UED faced was severely weakened and they didn't face the full blunt of a Protoss fleet. Remember the Conclave outlawed old protoss weapons like the Colossi ( which are back in SC2 :)) The UED seemed to have the same problem the Protoss had before the fall of Auir. They were too confident and underestimated their enemies.
1) The UED didn't bring any of their "Uber tachyon lasers".
2) The UED's manpower dwarfs the entire Koprulu Sector. That's why they are so arrogant and condescending. According to the manual, the Koprulu Terrans have advanced very slowly according to the UED, and the UED considered their colonies "expendable".

It is important to note though, that Protoss are still better man for man than the UED. However, if the UED brought their full force to the k-sector, it's game over.

[Chax424]

Has anyone mentioned that at the end of Broodwar Karagin states:
"...the earth born directorate has been destroyed...

That sounds to me as if they are more or less gone.

[Ursawarrior]

Ued?

[Kimera757]

Has anyone mentioned that at the end of Broodwar Karagin states:
"...the earth born directorate has been destroyed...

That sounds to me as if they are more or less gone.

Blizzard has confirmed the UED is still around, just that their Expeditionary Force was wrecked and didn't make it back to Earth.

[JudicatorPrime]

If the UED send an actual attack force to the Korpulu Sector, it'd be game over for everyone.

Personally, I think it's mutually assured destruction, StarCraft style. The UED would obliterate Protoss and Terran alike with sheer numbers, and the fact that man for man doesn't count for **** when they have a cloud of Battle Cruisers in the air waiting to carve chunks off the planet.

I also like what you're telling me about UED stealing Korpulu tech. Thank God, I thought they were just sucking. Go my favorite planet! Even though most of them depicted in SC are assholes.

The only 'victory' the Korpulu Sector would ever have against the fabled 'full brunt' of the UED is if the Zerg helped... But it's likely that the Zerg would wait until both forces were done throwing their punches and move in for the double kill. I still think the Zerg have enough numbers to take on any force.

[Kimera757]

Something makes me doubt it. The UED could only send a fraction of their force that far; perhaps a much bigger force than in Brood War, but still not their full strength. They don't have strategic surprise or a Psi Disrupter, either. I really can't see them beating the 10 billion Zerg (most are warriors) and that's just Char; there's more Zerg on a few other planets at least (such as Aiur).

But what's important is the motivation. Why would the UED attack? That's just provoking enemies for no good reason. There's no good political reason to try to dominate the Terran colonies, and there's no reason for the Zerg or Protoss to go to Earth.

[10-Neon]

Blizzard agrees with JudicatorPrime. During one of the panels at last year's BlizzCon, one of the developers (I think it was Chris Metzen) stated that the only reason the UED used Korpulu Sector units was that it was too much work to give them a whole new set of units. It was admitted that it was a "flaw" in the lore- only partially patched up by the fact that it was supposed to be a small taskforce, etc. If actual earth-tech had been used, the Terrans would make quite a mess.

There are over 10 billion Zerg, yes, but if a tiny fraction of the Terran race, with technological and infrastructural development hundreds of years behind earth, can more-or-less hold its own against the Zerg and Protoss.... The human population by that point would be well over 10 billion, and they would have populated other planets, developed more kinds of technology. It would be like Protoss strength with Zerg numbers.

That said- you do have a good point, Kimera: this conflict is happening on the other side of the galaxy: why would they even bother?

[ShdwyTemplar]

I still stand by the fact that the estimate of Human population is only if we were to grow and not be disrupted by any circumstances. I think that if we were to consider the innumerable amount of things that could happen to humanity the ease of making that occur to make the UED force believable would be very easy.

Also as has been stated you are correct. The UED most likely do have superior technology. However, they may not have superior weapon technology. That is an assumption and since there is still a rebel faction on Earth I'm not fully convinced they developed the weapon industry that much.

The Terran however have been developing weaponry just for space warfare. And in fact we have to consider the effect of Protoss technology on the Terran Empire.

Truth be told. A lot of factors come into play. We can speculate until we are all blue in the face, but unless Blizzard gives us specific lore we really don't know.

[CHIPS]

Earth is not dead. One major UED fleet was destroied, and no one made it back to earth. But messages regretting the defeat was sended back to earth (e.g.Gerard DuGalle sended on last mail to his wife b4 he died) so the people on earth knows what is going on. If the earth fleet wasn't strong at the BW, you can bet that it will be strong by the time of SC2.

That said, I would love to play as Zerg and siege the Solar System. A battle in the Saturn 's rings would be awesome. :D

"Dearest Helena, - By now the news of our defeat has reached the Earth. - The creatures we were sent here to tame are un-tamable. - and the colonies we were sent to reclaim have proven to be stronger than we anticipated. - Whatever you may hear about what has happened out here, know this; - Alexi did not die gloriously in battle. - I killed him. My pride killed him. - And now my pride has consumed me as well. - You will never see me again Helena. - Tell our children that I love them, - and that their father died in defense of their future. - Au revoir."
―DuGalle's final message[src]

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Gerard_DuGalle

The failure of the offensive and the loss of the expeditionary force was a temporary set back for the United Earth Directorate, the expeditionary force being but only a small fragment of the UED's total strength.[14] The United Earth Directorate remains active in its base of operation on Earth, but its further plans regarding the Koprulu Sector, if any exist, are unknown.

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/UED

[Wlck742]

The big quote in question:

Q: Why did the UED have the same technology as the banished Terran prisoners?


A: “That’s funny, we were just talking about that the other day, not necessarily because of StarCraft II - well there’s a spoiler for you” Metzen answered that this part of the lore was clumsily handled. The humans on Earth should have had a far more advanced tech tree. The official reason was that the UED stole all this stuff why they got here and left all the “big guns” at home. Now why they did that - Metzen doesn’t know. But Andy and Metzen are going to keep developing and the history of the UED, why it was sent, and why they used local technology instead of the super “uber tachyon lasers” from home.


So apparently the UED have much farther advanced technology than the Terrans. The only real technological advancement the Terrans have over the UED is in the use of psionic technology - something that wasn't discovered by the UED until Brood War. But really, even if the Zerg were to launch a massive attack on Earth, they'll be slaughtered by the "uber tachyon lasers."

[Dustyvan]

You guys do realize that the UED did have complete control over the situation until Kerrigan Manipulated the other factions into teaming up with her and helping her regain complete control over the zerg, thus she became strong enough with the help of her makeshift allies to destroy the majority of the UED, Combining that with the death of the second in command, The ued had a completely understandable loss

[ijffdrie]

i know a better excuse for blizzard: The UED didnt want their tech to fall in the hands of the terrans

@dusty: all losses in SC are understandable

i think the UED military should be the complete opposite recruitment system of the Terrans, the soldiers are a part of active social live, or at least, the people think that. The terran soldiers are like those in Alien(all the people we saw use guns effectively were criminals), and then the UED soldiers are like those in Starship Troopers. prepared subtly their whole life; Sign up ads on TV all the time. Soldiers servings as examples for children, news reports on military actions every day, of course with the soldiers being the heroes, disecting zerg corpses at high school. Molding people's minds so 99% of the people think being a soldier is a bright glorious future.

[TychusFindlay]

UED =/= Terrans? Don't you mean the Dominion?

[overmind]

terrans as in korpula sector humans.

[JStryka]

If the UED truly makes it in SC2 (I'm sure they will in one of the packs), they'll bring the Tachyon lasers with them. And the BFG900. And the Spartan Laser.


Just imagine a UED Marine- equivalent to the Spartans from Halo. Nukes would be a fraction of power compared to the UED's Thermonuclear Warheads. I can't wait for the UED' Warcruiser, with it's own Automatic Rapid-Fire Yamato Gun.


Yes, I'm imagining, but you all have to agree it's as cool as hell.

[Banned]

If the UED truly makes it in SC2 (I'm sure they will in one of the packs), they'll bring the Tachyon lasers with them. And the BFG900. And the Spartan Laser.


Just imagine a UED Marine- equivalent to the Spartans from 300. Nukes would be a fraction of power compared to the UED's Thermonuclear Warheads. I can't wait for the UED' Warcruiser, with it's own Automatic Rapid-Fire Yamato Gun.


Yes, I'm imagining, but you all have to agree it's as cool as hell.

Fix't.

Seriously. Halo is lame. Halo Spartans are weak. Quit compairing them to everything. Ever.

[Major Willy]

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[zeratul11]

If the UED truly makes it in SC2 (I'm sure they will in one of the packs), they'll bring the Tachyon lasers with them. And the BFG900. And the Spartan Laser.


Just imagine a UED Marine- equivalent to the Spartans from Halo. Nukes would be a fraction of power compared to the UED's Thermonuclear Warheads. I can't wait for the UED' Warcruiser, with it's own Automatic Rapid-Fire Yamato Gun.


Yes, I'm imagining, but you all have to agree it's as cool as hell.

i feel you man, and i hope will return in the 4th expansion to save the universe. xp

[BloodHawk]

The UED is in Korpula space to investigate the 3 factions in order to create the greatest videogame ever known to mankind.

...Zerglings might make great pets if you neutered and trained them?

A few ideas that are more realistic:

Could be that they are running out of planets to colonize. Space is big but there only so many habital planets. Does most everyone in the Milky Way live under a dome? Yes terra-forming is a popular science fiction mechanic, but how long does would that take? More importantly those 2 ideas seem way too trite for Blizzard to use. Then again maybe the running out of worlds idea has been done to death too.

The UED clearly has always had a military. Stukov and Dugale didn't just apply for a newly posted job on monster.com. Why do they have it if the Earth is united? Are they fighting baddies at home? Another brand new race? Cool, but I doubt it. I would venture the ruling members of the UED top brass need some sort of propaganda of a fierce threat in order to justify their over blown military that is only really in place to keep any sort of threat to their power in check.

They may truly fear the Zergs' rapid and rabid expansion. Human population may match that of the Zerg, but Humans have had a hell of a lot more time. Probable IMO, yet terribly boring.

They may fear the Korpula Terrans. If the Terrans won the war with Protoss and Zerg they would have some nice spoils of war. Like the Protoss marvel of warp technology. Add some psionicly controlled Zerg to with that. As I recall the Terrans did not exactly leave on what you call good terms.

And last, my favorite.
Maybe the Xel' Naga have ties with Earthlings. The Xel' Naga don't seem to have much of a military to deal with their wayward children, but what if they knew someone that did. Us. The entire human race could be the first attempt at purity of form and essence. No one else finds it odd that psionic abilities pop up in some humans and all protoss? Not to mention Nexus=pyramid. You may consider the idea of aliens building the pyramids in Egypt to be crackpot but you have to admit it is apart of popculture. I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard went that way. Yes, I have mentioned this theory in other posts, dammit I like it. Terrans have always seemed so "oh hey, there's some more guys over here without much reason for it" to me. Why were the UED even introduced in BW if there wasn't a grandiose reason for it? A big connection. Also as so many of us speculate that Duran is working on the hybrids for the Xel' Naga; how did he exactly meet them?