warcraft...fun?

[TerranGod]

i never played warcraft before and my friends all say it sucks...
good game or bad game?

[Wlck742]

terrible, just stick with SC.

[Wlck742]

oh yea, the campaigns actually were really good. I think the story was actually as good as or better than SC's.

[MaliciouS]

I bought WarCraft III ever since it was released in 2003, and I've got to tell you that I absolutely love the game. I still play it to this very day, in fact. It's true that the actual gameplay itself might not be good compared to that of StarCraft, but the custom maps will always keep you coming back for more. Furthermore, there's an interesting and fun campaign that spans all four races.

It's still an wonderful, and balanced game compared to all the other RTS games that get released around this time, it feautures some RPG elements that you may like or dislike. But I agree with lichking, it's not quite suited for competitive play as the items that drop from NPC's are random, and there's several abilities such as "Evasion" and "Critical Strike" which are based on plain luck. Nonetheless, the controls are much easier (such as sub-groups, autocast, smartcast, the ability to select multiple buildings, worker units automaticaly collect resources when the rally-point is placed at a goldmine/lumber patch, and much more.) some people complain that this takes the skill from the game, but I personally think most of these feautures only makes things a lot more comfortable.

It's not a pure competitive RTS like StarCraft, but it's still a great game that I recommend.

[Fenix]

It's fun, but different. It's not huge scale battle like StarCraft (War III has a 90 food limit), so it's more skirmishy. And like the others said, its campaign modes are a blast. There's almost no distinction between Orcs and Humans in War II, but in War III, with the addition of Night Elves and the Scourge, and with tweaking done with the Humans and Orcs, you get rather diverse play styles. I think it's fun.

[Dreadnought]

Also note that its far more micro intesive than macro. Nearly every unit has an ability that must be microed.
Heros make for fun RPG maps and stuff but for competitive play every strat is based around them making the game really repetitive. There really aren't any unique builds/strats you can go for in it. However its far better for custom games (DotA is a good example) and the campaigns are alot of fun.

[GuiMontag]

custom games is definitely what made wc3 so popular, coming from starcraft to wc3 mellee makes wc3 look painfully slow and frustrating >:(

[FlyingTiger]

yea i liked the campaigns of warcraft but never really got into the gameplay

[TerranGod]

i dont think i will really like warcraft

[Lemmy]

Well i can only tell you this: Download it. Or the demo. Try it. Thats the best way to know if you will like it.

[Wlck742]

War III has a 90 food limit

actually, WC3 has a 100 food limit.

I think.

[Fenix]

War III has a 90 food limit

actually, WC3 has a 100 food limit.

I think.


It's 90. Trust me on this.

[Meloku]

It is a very good game, if you can appreciate what it's about.

You have a single unit called your "hero" and the game is centered around him. It's a great game if you're into that kind of fantasy stuff.

[SirBaron]

i never played warcraft before and my friends all say it sucks...
good game or bad game?

Warcraft is good in it's own ways, it's quite distinct from SC since it takes about 4000% more micro in WC3 melee games than it does in SC, but custom games rocks, especially with the hero system (DotA, as someone mentioned - great!) The Campaigns were okay, i guess... personally i've kind of broken off the Warcraft universe since i got all yuck'ish after nerding WoW for 2.5 years.

But it's a great game, i think you should definitely try it out and play some of the awesome custom games.

[Wlck742]

A word of warning tho, if you switch over to WC from SC immediately, you will be impatient. There's no superfast rushes equivalent to those of SC, such as the 6 ling rush, the Cannon rush, or the SCV rush. It's not a game for people bad with micro, either. If you're a superfast rusher or a total noob at micro, good luck playing WC, chances are you'll be bored/crappy.

[danhillman693]

Warcraft 3 is only good, really, for the campaigns and the custom maps. If you enjoy playing "regular" bread and butter matches, just do it offline against a comp, because you are likely to get some lagger, and that is never good with Warcraft 3. Because Warcraft 3 is very slow. If you enjoy faster "regular" matches, I strongly suggest sticking with StarCraft. I'd suggest getting Warcraft 3 though, because it will expand your horizon on Blizzard RTS games.

[burkid]

actually, WC3 has a 100 food limit.

It's 90. Trust me on this.

actually, you are both right. its 90 food in Reign of Chaos, but its 100 in Frozen Throne.

and Wlck742, the micro in WC3 is much easier than starcraft actually... especially with spells.

[Wlck742]

I dunno. I actually found it to be harder, even with the autocast, since there's so much units with spells.

[JBL]

only dota is good. And the campaigns were fun. Not that good for competitive play.


I totally vouch this reply

I initialy bought it for the campaigns only.. and then I discovered Dota.. Which is a very good map.

also, Trust Praetor Fenix about the food limit, he's right.

[Dreadnought]

I make maps on War3. Excellent at GUI but i know virtually no JASS. iPod[xDs] = account...
Warcraft 3 custom games OWN (i guess i better mention dota lol). Starcraft is much much better for ladder games. Warcraft its easier to find ladder games though... If you love longer more micro intensive games play war3. If you like fast paced big armies SMASH play starcraft. Although again the custom games on war3 are amazing. The map editor is 5000x more powerfull than starcrafts..

[Wlck742]

That's true, although I pretty much hate WC3 and can't make maps of my own, the editor is much more powerful and easy to use than SC's. It's not really fair to judge between those two games, I mean, they were about five years apart, or more.

[burkid]

also, Trust Praetor Fenix about the food limit, he's right.

yes, he is for Reign of Chaos, they boosted it to 100 in frozen throne.

[Nikzad]

DotA isn't just a map...it really is a game in and of itself.

DotA is a way of life.

DotA is my first. DotA is my last. DotA is my everything.

[Major Willy]

I can't stand playing DoTA.

Anyways Warcraft 3 has it's perks against Starcraft but I can't play it as long as my sweet sweet Terran shooting Zerg infested Protoss planet cracked Starcraft.
But the editor is amazingly powerful, you can change almost anything down to the size of a unit's shadow.
Warcraft 2 was where it's at.

[danhillman693]

Well, I learned how to use the Warcraft 3 campaign editor from using the StarCraft campaign editor. I like the StarCraft campaign editor because of the simplicity, but I also like the Warcraft 3 map editor because of how much you can alter and change your maps, meaning you can put more detail in it. Unfortunately for me, my router does not let me host games on Battle.net because I secure it with WEP, but that's another matter, and changing the subject unnecessarily. Overall, get the Warcraft 3 Battle Chest, it is something good to have, and it's cheap right now, ($19.99). You'll get Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos, the Reign of Chaos strategy booklet, Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne expansion, the Frozen Throne strategy booklet, instruction booklet, and a disc for 14 days free of World of Warcraft. It's a good deal.

[thrif]

and Wlck742, the micro in WC3 is much easier than starcraft actually... especially with spells.


It's easier because of hotkeybindings and autocast, but at the same time it's more important to cast them correctly. The micro in wc3 is in no way easier than that of SC, it's just different.

And yes, wc3 is a very very good game, in ever aspect. Both ladder and ums.

[MarineCorp]

I liked the campaign more than SC same goes for the custom games
Overall the multiplayer for SC is so much better and all the things in there are perfect

[JudicatorPrime]

It's very fun, especially the Muli-player maps. I loved Night of the Living Dead... most fun I've ever had between SC and WC.

[TerranTemplar]

The good qualities in warcraft 3 can be summed up in 4 reasons.

Heroes
Custom Maps
Campaign
4 Unique Races

An aspect I enjoy very much in WC3 that i havent seen in other games are the heroes. It takes the general RTS experience and modifies it in a way that is diffrent, but not overall imbalancing the game. The many diffrent heroes, (4 for each race, plus about 6 or so extra in the tavern for a total around 2 dozen) have unique abilities that overlap some, but if used correctly can pretty much dominate the battle. Its a mix of RTS and RPG in that element, where they have mana, use items, and cast spells. Some say that you can totally decimate armies with just a few heroes, and to an extent they are right. If you level up your heroes to the max (lvl 10) give them good items, and use them well, they can destroy most any opposition you can meet. Maybe its good, maybe its bad, but in my books i am impartial to these things.

Secondly, custom maps are simply excellent. I have spent hours upon hours playing DOTA, tower defences, anime arenas, and pretty much anything you can come up with and design with the warcraft engine. Some of them have been crazy good, some have been horrible, but overall a worthwhile experience if you ever want to take a break from the RTS madness.

Then there is the campaign. Quite lengthy as starcraft, but more so. Each race has around 10 missions, and you can tell blizzard has really put its heart into it. I was a bit lost in some places due to the fact i hadnt of played the first two, but with the expansion, it makes an excellent tale rivaling starcraft's own. All in all you will probably play around 60-70 missions if i remember correctly.

And lastly the races have been incredibly improved from WC2 days. The orcs are still the heavy cost, but excellent melee (think of them as protoss in costliness) The humans are generally easier to play and have a good middle ground like terran. The undead have to build on blight (like the creep) have a general playing style of zerg since they can raise the dead units into skeletons (honestly i have had hundreds on the map at once) and build like the protoss. Lastly, the Night Elves are good with ranged, magic, and have a good bit of cost to them. their key structures can uproot and move around like the Terran liftoff ability.

So, in the end if you have played starcraft, you can definitely see remnants in game mechanics and such, but in a fantasy setting. Overall I like them both equally and think they should deserve equal praise.

[danhillman693]

Wow, level up for you because that was very descriptive.

[surr]

customs are fun real thing was ok.. i like the rpgs..rzo and defiance mainly
besides wc3s world edit owns starcrafts u gota admit and u can customize max food or play no food at all

starcraft is good because u get away from cooldowns upkeep and less things to worry bout including laggers

but i can host on wc3 which is probaly why i still play it. if you cant then it takes some of the fun from your favourite customs.(which is all i play pretty much)

isnt customs the only thing keeping wc3 going after all these years with the world editor.

[Warsaw]

nah people still play ladder mode on ROC. I almost have my 500 red drake icon ^_^ basically all i play is dota 3.7 and ladder. other popular games are sheep tag, elite snipers, and helms deep. most games tend to be rigged or unbalanced.

[JBL]

dota 3.7


dota 3.7 on ROC?

LOL why don't you play 6.46 on TFT?

[paragon]

War III has a 90 food limit

actually, WC3 has a 100 food limit.

I think.


It's 90. Trust me on this.

No, it's 100.

Oh and warcraft 3 sucks, don't play it ever.

[GuiMontag]

burkid already pointed out that its different in roc and tft

[JBL]

TFT has 100? or 90?

[burkid]

TFT is 100, RoC is 90

[JBL]

Ohh ok..

See, I never played RoC and I barely play melee games on TFT..

All i use wc3 for now is Dota.

Edit: and to TerranGod, really, buy wc3 TFT for Dota.

[Fenix]

I've never played tFT, so all I knew was 90 in RoC.

[Nikzad]

I never played the multiplayer that much, except for DotA, but the campaigns were a lot of fun and had a great story

You gotta play tFT Fenix, because Arthas is always such woman in RoC, that it's good to see him tormented and evil in tFT

I mean honestly, even for the Warcraft universe, that hair of his was horrible

[danhillman693]

LOL, yeah, Arthas looks funny in Reign of Chaos, and he is never happy it seems. Then this gets me cracked up: When you command Arthas to do something, he will say "For my father" sometimes. Then, at the end of the Human campaign, he becomes part of the Undead, and kills his father. Whoa. HAHAHA!

[Wlck742]

Yeah, Arthas goes pretty damn cracked in the campaigns. I hated how in the undead campaign of FT Arthas would steadily lose levels and all you had was the Crypt Lord. Good hero, but pisses me off.

[millions]

i never noticed that he said my father...lol
i think the death knight from wc2 looked so much better Arthas , he looks like a crack head baggy eyes and long hair they should gave him a helmet to cover up that hideous mug like in the pics for wrath of lich king

[DontHate]

he said "for my father, the king!"
yea, arthas does look to old and wrinkly when he's evil though... lol.

[TerranGod]

as for the ppl here, warcraft isnt as good as i thought it would be...

SC FTW

[Protosscommander]

I hope in Starcraft 2 the limit of the units will be increase well ithink in the zerg there will be more limit because did you saw those zerglings they are too many.. isnt in starcraft 1 1 is equivalent to 2 zerglings ???

[slugonice]

never really liked WC3 except dota

but then again DOTA got boring

SC2 atchucan!

[danhillman693]

I'll be glad when DotA stops being so popular; I get so tired of hearing about it, and all it's about is a few heroes killing each other so they destroy a bunch of strangely alive pillars; when you think about it, that is a very good definition of what DotA is all about. I don't know, I think I'm just feeling very critical right now, and I'm liking it. Anyway, it's not I like you're gonna buy WC3 just for DotA, right? What? Stop looking at me like I'm stupid!

[Metathron]

Oh, yes, Warcraft 3 is heaps of fun! The heroes and the campaigns are probably the best features of the game in my opinion, and the races are very diverse and entertaining to play with. MP games are not as fast as Starcraft, but that is not a bad thing necessarily, just different. So yes, when it comes to WC3, two enthusiastic thumbs up! :good: :good:

[Yrcrazypa]

I like it for the custom maps. And I don't really see the point of DoTA, its a little boring in my opinion, I prefer the TD games myself, namely Wintermaul.

[-LT-]

What is DotA? :-[

[ijffdrie]

i love warcraft's editor and it's campaign

[BnechbReaker]

i hope the starcraft 2 editor is even better than the warcraft 3 one!

[Unentschieden]

Dota is a kind of Map known as Aeon of Strife. If i remember right the concept actually started as SC map in relation to the "Aeon of Strife" from the Protoss backstory. But Fan-Map history isn´t exactly my strengh, I may be wrong about that.

Dota focuses on Hero duels and Items, the allied creeps are hardly more than cannonfood.

[GuiMontag]

just imagine 3C with more items, less skill :P

[Hodl pu]

War 3 was for UMS and campaign. The map editor for War3 is really fun, haha. Easy to use as well

[coalescence]

Warcraft -> Nice franchise!
Warcraft II -> Nice franchise!
Warcraft III -> Nice franchise!
World of Warcraft -> thank you blizzard for undoing your previous work for a stupid MMORPG.

@ Unentschieden
You are correct.

[surr]

get the campaign of wanderer of sorceria, add to custom campagin, they are really fun

[Wlck742]

World of Warcraft -> thank you blizzard for undoing your previous work for a stupid MMORPG.


Heh, but Blizzard made way more money from that than all the other games combined. Nowadays, money ALWAYS come first.

[GuiMontag]

as far as MMO's go WOW is one of the best, and money always came first :P

[coalescence]

as far as MMO's go WOW is one of the best, and money always came first :P


I think WOW is really overrated, I rather go with a guild wars. And also they really ****ed up the continuty of the warcraft universe!

[Meee]

I SO hope they disregard events of WoW if they're going to make warcraft 4

As for rating, while I agree it is overrated I'd still play it because I'm fan of warcraft unviresre. Guess Blizzard/Warcraft fanboism has something to do with it's popularity, as well as it's simplicity. DAoC should have never went this way :/

[G0li4th]

Yes it's nice as game i still play it. different from SC as play style but still fun.

[coalescence]

I SO hope they disregard events of WoW if they're going to make warcraft 4

As for rating, while I agree it is overrated I'd still play it because I'm fan of warcraft unviresre. Guess Blizzard/Warcraft fanboism has something to do with it's popularity, as well as it's simplicity. DAoC should have never went this way :/


One thing made me fan of the blizzard universes are the stories, if they screw those up for the sake of gameplay (dranei ok, it's better worked out now, but come on, forsaken together with the horde? No!) I'm gone.

[G0li4th]

Well, you know as the name it self suggest, the Forsakens are not bound to the will of the Legion or Lich King. They are the humans that had the will to break the chains of the "mind controll" of the Legion of them. Forsaken fight against the undeads maybe for revenge, is not well known but still Sylvanas made a pact with the horde to "help" in their way on the fight against the Burning Legion.
So mainly nothing wrong about the forsaken in the horde. They have same goal.

[ijffdrie]

warcraft is neither<,> or= to starcraft you cant compare them accept by your own taste

[coalescence]

warcraft is neither<,> or= to starcraft you cant compare them accept by your own taste


No offense, but I really did not understand your comment...

[Meee]

I think he means that you can like stacraft or warcraft more than the other, but neither game is actually better. Oh wait, I complicated it more >.<

[coalescence]

I think he means that you can like stacraft or warcraft more than the other, but neither game is actually better. Oh wait, I complicated it more >.<


O haha. No, hes wrong! Starcraft is just better, its the kind of discussion where 'taste' becomes an obsolete variable.

[DE.50]

Not really, warcraft is much more micro based, and the fact that the game revolves around a couple units (Heros) changes the complexion of the game so much so that starcraft and warcraft arent really that comparable.

[BnechbReaker]

the answer obviously depend on whether you enjoy that type of game play or not

[ijffdrie]

thats what i said