Thor [Archive] - StarCraft 2 forum

Ych9

07-18-2007, 06:24 PM

I was just browsing through the BattleNet forum and found this information.
http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=sc-general&t=210183&p=1&#post210183

Quote by Karune
"The Thor will not be the Terran equivalent to the Protoss Mothership. In addition, you will be able to build more than one Thor. The Thor unit will not be the type of unit you'll want to march into the enemy base by itself.

More info about the Thor will be released later on."

Now, we can conclude that the magazine overexagerrated. I'm also glad that only the Protoss race is going to have the Super-Unit becuase they are the only race that suits the theme of having a Super-Unit.

Bonus 300 minerals for a great post. Good job on finding the info. Now find me stuff on Zerg Ych9 :P

kehmdaddy

07-18-2007, 06:59 PM

Good find. :powerup:
I always assumed that it was an exaggeration, but I'm sure this will relieve many worried souls ;)

capthavic

07-18-2007, 09:24 PM

Yeah I was sure that people were blowing it out of proportion. It will be like a terran ultralisk that is a powerfull land unit but will still need backup and air support.

Ych9 you are really cranking out a lot of good info lately.

Exvasion

07-18-2007, 09:35 PM

Hehe I think maybe their decision to name the unit after Thor gave too many people that impression. I mean, can you think of a name that says "epic and god-like" more than Thor?

LJYLJ

07-18-2007, 09:42 PM

I mean, can you think of a name that says "epic and god-like" more than Thor?

heh, planetary fortress for instance..

Remy

07-18-2007, 10:01 PM

Yet another great find Ych9, good job. :powerup:

can you think of a name that says "epic and god-like" more than Thor?

I can think of a few things... ;)

burkid

07-18-2007, 10:04 PM

Bonus 300 minerals for a great post. Good job on finding the info. Now find me stuff on Zerg Ych9

remy this was you wasnt it? :P

Nice find Ych9! (again lol) :powerup:

ArchLimit

07-18-2007, 10:10 PM

Good Job Ych9. To be honest, I'm slightly disappointed that only the Protoss will have a super unit.

FlyingTiger

07-18-2007, 10:47 PM

haha that was a surprise?

Karune posted later on:
[quote]
By no means should you consider the Thor to be a 'weak' unit, it just has certain weaknesses that encourage players to add it as part of their arsenal, rather than as a 1 unit army.

Itsmyship

07-19-2007, 02:46 AM

Yeah, I'm not a big fan of every race gettting an ultimate unit. I'dve preferred more of an ultimate ability or like a mega nuke or something to Thor really.

burkid

07-19-2007, 02:50 AM

karune say on the battlenet forums that the caption calling the Thor an "ultimate unit" was exaggerating and it isnt a unit that could assault a base on its own.

paragon

07-19-2007, 02:59 AM

Christ if some of the people at this forum were president then we would be in a never ending needless war with iraq because they keep jumping to conclusions about EVERYTHING and they are wrong pretty much every time.

Nikzad

07-19-2007, 03:12 AM

true

Blizzard hasn't even officially released anything directly to the community about it, we're getting our details from a third party

and even if they had, who's to say they won't wake up tomorrow morning and get stuck in traffic and be too aggravated to balance it when they get to work and scrap it altogether?

or cancel production altogether....*coughGHOSTcough*

Itsmyship

07-19-2007, 03:33 AM

I salute you Ych9. I'm very relieved that the Thor will not be a super unit...that means there's still hope for the super nuclear barrage! ;D

burkid

07-19-2007, 03:47 AM

that means there's still hope for the super nuclear barrage! ;D

lots of ghosts + lots of CCs + lots of loaded nuke silos + enemy base(s) - enemy detectors = BOOM! (a.k.a. super nuclear barrage)

burkid

07-19-2007, 03:53 AM

not impossible if "Nuclear Lau- Nuclea- Nucl- Nuclear Launch Dete- Nuclear Launch Detected" makes your opponent panic and only manage to stop one or two. if any. especially if each nuke is at a different base.

Hadean

07-19-2007, 04:20 AM

Ghost was delayed to so it could be ported to Next Gen consoles. Wait till you see Nova's sweet sweet ass on PS3 or Xbox360 graphics.

ShoGun

07-19-2007, 05:01 AM

Well, possibly couldn’t be an ultimate unit, but I like the idea of having ultimate units for Terran and Zerg. I’d consider the nuclear silo an ultimate unit for Terran though.

And no need to be rude Paragon. If I was president, instead of policing the world, we would be isolationist, and focus on improving domestic problems, like poor med care, poor food and drug systems, I’d bring back public hangings of guilty rapists and murderers, outlaw lobbying and other dishonest business practices, allow meetings where the greatest minds in our country come together to discuss ideas, fully support scientific research (especially space programs, got to get people in space), and boost homeland security and weaken illegal immigration problems at once by building a huge canal in the southern border large enough to let two aircraft carriers pass by each other side by side, have coast guard patrol it, and then move all the border patrol officers to the northern border (terrorist like to sneak into our country from Canada). I’d do plenty of great things for this country; I think it is YOU who shouldn’t jump to conclusions. ;D

Sorry for rearing off topic there. Whether or not Thor is an ultimate unit or not, I would like to know what everything thinks of Thor's tactical advantages or disadvantages.

Wlck742

07-19-2007, 05:02 AM

well, the Thor's probably just an extra strong unit that will be the "spiritual counter" to the Mothership, by which I mean they'll be the strongest Terran unit but without the "you can build only one of these big*** ships cuz then it gets horribly unbalanced and boring game" limit.

Trooper_Lozer

07-19-2007, 05:05 AM

Um thor? well i was wondering what you guys thought about this. Will it be a terran super unit? i doubt it though, bu wut if it was? And do u like the name at all? I dont realy, nor do i like the viking (kool idea however, although somewhat rigged.) What do you think it will do? And doesnt it look odd and bulky? I sort of thought so. Anyway's please post any ideas or comments. :P

-Trooper

Ych9

07-19-2007, 05:16 AM

Thor won't be a superunit as mentioned by Karune already. He stated that you wouldn't want to bring 1 into base and expecting it to crack open everything. You can also have more than 1 Thor.

As for the name, I don't like it either. Same goes to the Vikings. What is with Blizzard and the Vikings? I think Blizzard is naming these Viking theme is because I think many of them liked Vikings. Remember back in the day when Blizzard created the Lost Viking? Maybe that is why. But to be honest, Vikings and SC don't belong together, and I sure hope Blizzard will think about renaming the Thor and the Viking.

As for the unit ability, I actually don't think it would work like an Ultralisk, which is what many people believe it would be. Based on what we know of the Terran, many of their units have 2 modes. Siege Tanks can siege and unsiege. Reapers as of now, we are assuming it can toggle between dual pistols and flamethrowers (Not confirmed). Vikings can transform into an air unit, and a ground unit. If this trend continues, I am assuming that the Thor will also have 2 different mode. My idea is one of his mode will make him not be able to attack, but have tremendous HP and armor. It would kind of act like a shield for other units. His other mode is an attack mode. His damage will be similiar to a Marines range and damage similiar to an Ultralisk.

Ghost

07-19-2007, 05:30 AM

I dont really mind about the names, the THOR having two modes seems awkward but terrans need a heavy ground assault unit because they dont have one, not one.

The THOR mught just be a slow moving heavy armored heavy armed mech tank.

Itsmyship

07-19-2007, 05:35 AM

Eh, I'm not much a fan of its name either...It seems more like a Titan to me.

StormCrow

07-19-2007, 07:54 AM

I personally like the name ''Thor''. It's strong and simple.

I also like the suggestions of 2 different modes.

mode 1: The Thor has a moderate armor and great attack power

mode 2: The Thor raises its ''arms'' to a shield, and packs up a bit. Its' armor will be highly increased while not able to attack enemy units. This would be good when the Thor is being overwhelmed by enemy units and is waiting for reinforcements to arrive.(very useful against swarm of banelings...)

DKutrovsky

07-19-2007, 09:54 AM

That thor unit though, looks like a bunch of firepower, like big and nasty, it looks much more dangerous than the goliath.

Btw, Goliath > Thor, kinda have the same vibe around their name, i would guess, that IS the new goliath

zeratul11

07-19-2007, 10:50 AM

nah, a goliath can't raid an enemy base. the thor as described can siege enemy base by itself.

goliath = viking fighters.

thor is something else. i think its even stronger than the archon and ultralisk combined.

10-Neon

07-19-2007, 01:57 PM

"Thor" is way overused in RTS games. I wish they'd try to edge away from these generic (for games) names like "Reaper" and "Mothership" and "Phoenix."

burkid

07-19-2007, 02:14 PM

titan is used even more so. im so glad blizz didnt try to go with the name titan instead of thor.

Shadowdragon

07-19-2007, 03:55 PM

Did anyone else play Emperor: Battle for Dune?

http://img.hrej.cz/32/3856926fe7d984951336d6b20c6083.jpg

Reminds me alot of the Thor...

paragon

07-19-2007, 04:45 PM

It probably does something dumb like only target ground units.

Itsmyship

07-19-2007, 09:20 PM

Eh, still, I don't like the name Thor for it. I do however agree that Titan is a generic name like Pheonix and such. If they wanted to make the Norse reference though, I would've preferred something like Odin or Mjolnir, hell even Ragnarok i think fits it better than Thor.

paragon

07-19-2007, 09:31 PM

UchihaItachi0129

07-19-2007, 09:33 PM

well so far it's only been 2: siege tank (siege and regular) and thor (air and ground)

Itsmyship

07-19-2007, 09:36 PM

Don't forget Viking. Although I like Viking more than Thor anyway.

DDDx

07-19-2007, 09:46 PM

well so far it's only been 2: siege tank (siege and regular) and thor (air and ground)

wait am i comfused or are you? i never heard anything bout thor turning into air and ground i thought viking did that.

DKutrovsky

07-20-2007, 02:07 AM

Every cool name that could be used has been used. So, griping about a name being overused in other games is just silly.

Also, I don't like the idea of it having 2 modes because if you give 2 modes to too many units then it just becomes gimmicky

Thats the trademark of terran imo.

Adapting properly and planning ahead. I like that more, the only race that has 2 mode units(xept for lurker i guess)

Remy

07-20-2007, 09:34 AM

They are described to be weak against hit-and-run by fast moving lesser units. They are said to be extremely slow.

burkid

07-20-2007, 02:01 PM

^where did you hear that? it makes sense but no one else has said that.

edit- lol i missed the new stuff on the home page, nvm.

FlyingTiger

07-20-2007, 02:04 PM

its like the dreadnought in warhammer.. slow (movement and rotation) as hell but so damn powerful and sooo badass ^_^

Zeratul

07-20-2007, 02:13 PM

Always new info here ;D.
Thor looks pretty armored etc.

EDIT: Maybe he could be dropped quite effectively? Unless he can't be picked up due to being made by the SCV's?

burkid

07-20-2007, 02:59 PM

lol the thor probably counts as a mobile building since its so huge and is built by SCVs. dropships are out of the question for the thor lol

t4k9

07-20-2007, 03:44 PM

just imagine if thor fits in dropships and assult enemy's mineral lines...

paragon

07-20-2007, 04:32 PM

probably wont even get thors much. Siege tank/viking combo will do the job.

TerranGod

07-20-2007, 05:03 PM

rofl
id get like...20 thors rofl undefeatable?

but are thors only ground attack or both air and ground?

Hadean

07-20-2007, 05:52 PM

paragon, how dare you question the awesomeness of Thor. You call yourself a terran player? For shame! ;)

ArchLimit

07-20-2007, 06:01 PM

And no need to be rude Paragon. If I was president, instead of policing the world, we would be isolationist, and focus on improving domestic problems, like poor med care, poor food and drug systems, I’d bring back public hangings of guilty rapists and murderers, outlaw lobbying and other dishonest business practices, allow meetings where the greatest minds in our country come together to discuss ideas, fully support scientific research (especially space programs, got to get people in space), and boost homeland security and weaken illegal immigration problems at once by building a huge canal in the southern border large enough to let two aircraft carriers pass by each other side by side, have coast guard patrol it, and then move all the border patrol officers to the northern border (terrorist like to sneak into our country from Canada). I’d do plenty of great things for this country; I think it is YOU who shouldn’t jump to conclusions. ;D

I'd have the immigrants who want to live in this country enlist for the Iraq war in order to gain citizenship. That way, the immigrants are earning their place, our troops come home, and Iraq won't be abruptly abandoned.

I'd also spend about 25% of the US budget on developing personal pilotable Goliaths for domestic use. I'd like to go to the groceries in one of those things.

Which is probably why I'm not the President.

paragon

07-20-2007, 06:02 PM

I will gladly get vikings, siege tanks, ghosts, and marines. but a big slow moving unit is not my style. And so what if it has a nice siege attack for taking down buildings. So does the siege tank.

coalescence

07-20-2007, 06:23 PM

...My friend builds these so well construced defenses it takes hundreds of yamatos and dozens of nukes. The Thor will be my answer.

Thumbs up Bliz.

They call it turtlin' among decent players ;D

Nikzad

07-20-2007, 06:57 PM

I'd have the immigrants who want to live in this country enlist for the Iraq war in order to gain citizenship. That way, the immigrants are earning their place, our troops come home, and Iraq won't be abruptly abandoned.

I don't think that's a very valid point because I know I haven't done **** to earn my citizenship except be born in the United States. Why should they have to earn it by risking their lives if so many others take it for granted? (myself included, to some degree)

ArchLimit

07-20-2007, 07:00 PM

Oh no, Nikzad, I was totally kidding about that one. I tried to make the whole thing sound silly by adding the Goliath thing. Sorry if you took any offense. Was basically being sarcastic.

Nikzad

07-20-2007, 07:03 PM

hehe ok

PS - If you run with the Goliath idea as your platform, I will vote for you.

JudicatorPrime

07-20-2007, 10:55 PM

Didn't want to make a new thread for this... Is it safe to say it can shoot over terrain? I mean the guns on its shoulders are pointed up, like they're artillery oriented... Kind of like the walking artillery unit in C&C3

Atleast thats how I pictured it to be.

zeratul11

07-21-2007, 12:13 AM

thor is going to be the ultimate tank.

ultralisk was not even enough of a tank.

Griffith

07-21-2007, 12:23 AM

I think the Thor is kinda pointless if it is only a regular siege unit with big damage and lots of hp, a combination of siege tanks + vikings would work better like someone said earlier.

It looks to me like those big guns on the side will have a fast rate of fire and it also looks like it has some missile bays, so I think it would be a cool idea if you could micro the Thor to hit multiple targets at once. For example, you are invading a zerg's main and you bring your Thor with you, so you sit down and use it's artillery to tear apart the sunken line, then when the enemy reacts and sends everything your way you start shooting down the lings with the big machine guns and use the anti air missiles to shoot down the mutas.

I really hope they do something similar to this instead of just shooting one target at a time with splash damage like the siege tank.

JudicatorPrime

07-21-2007, 01:37 AM

Isn't there already a topic that says its confirmed NOT to be a Superunit? It looks more like a siege unit to me. And in the same topic they said you can make more than one...

burkid

07-21-2007, 03:49 AM

PS - If you run with the Goliath idea as your platform, I will vote for you.

ill vote for you too if you make it more viking-esque so it could fly too. lol. or just transform.

Itsmyship

07-21-2007, 04:26 AM

I'll vote for you if you get the Vikings out here....I wanna drive a Starscream :P

kehmdaddy

07-21-2007, 05:05 AM

Well, we've heard the Thor is going to be incredibly slow and take a long time to even turn to fire... so I'm thinking its going to fire a barrage of shells out of its 12 cannons, destroy a whole lot of stuff, but then take like 8-12 seconds to even fire again. It's going to be the monster power weapon, but basically be a pretty defenseless target if you can catch it by itself.

Meloku

07-21-2007, 06:59 AM

yeah, I agree with you. But here's a question that's been bugging me, we already have siege tanks, why do we need another siege weapon? I mean, having a thor on the battlefield will NO DOUBT come in handy (picking off colossus, reavers). Remember, they said it was strong against buildings AND large units.

I noticed you said you think it will fire a barrage, I hope that this is not the case! I would like a missile shot about every 2 seconds, but the turret rotation would have to be insanely slow to compensate. Think about it, if it fired a barrage, then it would be useful for taking out small units such as zerglings (which is not its' role.) My money is on a powerful single shell, every 2 seconds. Similar to the siege tank, but with no splash.

GuiMontag

07-21-2007, 07:44 AM

atm there are several units that have overlapping uses, I predict that reavers and siege tanks will be taken out at some point, because there roles are now done by other units.

Ych9

07-21-2007, 08:32 AM

Siege Tanks to be taken out?
That would be impossible. Siege Tanks are one of the symbolic units for Terrans. I see no reason why Blizzard would even think about axing the Siege Tanks. As for the concern of Siege Tanks having a similiar role to Thor, I don't think we have to worry about that as of now. We don't really know what the Thor is truely capable of as of now. All we know is that it's an extremely slow unit that can pack a punch with a very long cooldown rate of fire.

Reavers on the other hand, I agree with you, might actually get an axe. They aren't really a symbolic unit for the Protoss and don't do much justice in the SC1 storyline. So yea, I wouldn't be surprised to see these little buggers one or perhaps get a little revamp. Maybe they can build between 2 different scrabs now?

zeratul11

07-21-2007, 08:55 AM

just change the model of the reaver. completely different from the worm look but with the same siege high splash damage ability and slow movement speed.

Hadean

07-21-2007, 12:24 PM

I dunno why they dont just shrink the Thor, and name it the sucessor to the Goliath. I mean. It's got the guns on the arms for ground work, and those two big ass shoulder cannons aimed upwards could be listed as either missile launchers or borderline Flak Cannons. A giant slowmoving siege unit isnt exactly useful considering the terrans already have the Siege Tank which will no doubt outclass the Thor as a siege weapon due to speed and range.

proswimma

07-21-2007, 01:16 PM

i thikn thor looks A LOT like those things from matrix from tghe structure and the gun is exactly the same.

GuiMontag

07-21-2007, 01:23 PM

since when did THOR have two modes?

burkid

07-21-2007, 02:50 PM

it doesnt, but now it has an "artillery strike" ability to shoot 4 cannon al long range.
the 2 forms was just people speculating.

burkid

07-21-2007, 02:56 PM

the viking mech form is the goliath succesor, and, according to the new article, can attack air and ground in mech form.

10-Neon

07-21-2007, 05:50 PM

10-Neon

07-21-2007, 05:59 PM

Every cool name that could be used has been used. So, griping about a name being overused in other games is just silly.

Gripes on the name being overused, not just used. And not every cool name that can be used has been used, unless you define cool by it having been used in a game before....

burkid

07-21-2007, 07:17 PM

^with some of them, i wouldnt be suprised lol

DKutrovsky

07-21-2007, 08:47 PM

Thor kinda overlaps with the siege tank for me for some reason. I mean yeah, it will turn slowly and whatnot, but how many times have you fought battles from front and back ? Not many...

So just deploy 3-4 thors and wait for the enemy to drop?

EDIT:

I heard Thor is going to be a base,large unit killer, and makes me wonder what his ability to deal with zerglings,zealots,hydras and so on is.

And how slow is his moving speed, because i have a feeling we'll have a lot of Thor vs Colossus fights...

burkid

07-21-2007, 09:17 PM

the thing with the turning is fast units like the cobra can get behind it and pound on it without it being able to hit back.

Ych9

07-21-2007, 09:24 PM

It is confirmed that the Thor will work like a siege unit.
Itz special ability is the Artillery Strike, in that it can do area of effect damage over a long distance. Of course, itz weakness is that it takes forever for it to turn around, and move. I'm absolutely with you DKutrovsky, in that the Thor's role is kind of overlapping the Siege Tanks? Siege Tanks are basically siege units. Artillery Strike sounds very similiar to the Siege Tanks attack. Yea, it is a special ability, but I don't see why anyone would build Thor if you could just call in Siege tanks. Their roles just seems too similiar.

burkid

07-21-2007, 09:25 PM

maybe siege tanks do less damage, but cost a lot less.
and the thor might have an air attack.

Hadean

07-21-2007, 09:44 PM

Coming from the two people with 300+ posts thats really cute.

But yeah anyways. Thor is cool and all, but I really doubt it's usefulness.

zeratul11

07-21-2007, 09:53 PM

i wonder if thor is also anti air. if it is, then they are twice as useful than any other units.

Frost

07-21-2007, 09:56 PM

I'm 100% with you on that one Hadean, seems like a crappy upper tier unit that is going to try and sway you to stop making siege tanks, or combine them with each other to form some super omega transforming wave of endless siege. I hope it gets made a bit smaller, and has some kind of bullet weapon or something else useful.

kehmdaddy

07-21-2007, 10:01 PM

Hadean

07-21-2007, 10:02 PM

A whole row of these things assaulting a base may be deadly but so is a wave of siege tanks. And Siege tanks can get the hell out of dodge a lot easier. The only advantage that I might see is being easier to micro.

kehmdaddy

07-21-2007, 10:04 PM

We don't know any of its statistics yet, so don't be hasty. I think the Thor is going to have a longer range than a Siege Tank in siege mode, atleast for its ability, and it will probably have 650-800 health. It will be easy to take down with lots of quick moving units (and maybe aircraft), but it will make up for that by basically destroying anything in its path from a great deal away. I also think it won't be able to hit units in a further proximity than even the Siege Tank in siege mode, because otherwise it would either rip itself apart from splash damage or just be too unfair.

Ych9

07-21-2007, 10:29 PM

Oh man, just imagine how hard it is going to take and break down a Terran Turtler.
Planetary Fortress, Improved Suppy Depot, Bunkers, Siege Tanks, and THOR!!!

Err, I know I wouldn't be enjoying my time trying to crack down the new and improved Terran in SC2. Mass Immortals FOR DA WIN??? ;D ;D ;D

zeratul11

07-21-2007, 10:30 PM

and i think thor is a better "tank" and better damage dealer than the siege tank. its the most destructive thing ever so hell its useful.

DKutrovsky

07-22-2007, 01:04 AM

It makes sense to me to not have the Thor be able to hit close units, just like Siege Tanks in siege mode, because if it did it would probably tear itself apart with its own splash damage, and it will probably be an even further proximity. This gives it another weakness to counter its all powerful attacks.
But, the problem with that is, the Thor will basically be a big, mean Siege Tank in siege mode who can walk around slowly. Maybe this is one of the unique aspects that we'll mainly see for the Terran- siege weapons and powerful base destroying powers.

I still dont see how Thor is different than the siege tank, especially if it has minimum range.

More expensive and more damage vs less expensive less damage and earlier, but with more "mobile" firing mechanics, and possibly longer range...Probably faster built too.

Thor should do these things to not be like the siege tank.

1. Not have a minumum range
2. Be as deadly to all opponents, zealots/zerglings and stalkers/hyrdas alike
3. Have an Air attack mode

If not its just a robotic version of the siege tank and its rather useless

mc2

07-22-2007, 01:33 AM

It is now obvious that the Thor is not and will not be an ultimate unit for the Terrans. The last several posts has been discussion of siege tanks and possible siege weapons, that does not relate to the Thor.

There are topics for the Thor and Siege Tanks in the Terrans board. Thank you

EDIT: topic reopened after merging with the Thor topic

zeratul11

07-22-2007, 02:26 AM

just build the thor together with the siege tanks for utmost destruction. i think the thor normal attack damage is like that of a siege tank in siege mode. plus a thor can be a tank compared to the usually always retreating siege tanks. thor i think is equivalent of 5 siege tanks.

DKutrovsky

07-22-2007, 02:33 AM

I guess we have to see him in action before we can speak up. Numbers and speed are important here

zeratul11

07-22-2007, 02:46 AM

yes but if you have enough thor in hand plus your regular units, numbers(siege tanks) and speed(not in siege mode) means less.

i always like strength compared to agility maybe thats why i lovethe brute thor. 8)

Lemonparty

07-22-2007, 03:43 AM

Awesome unit, it seems like it's stronger vs biological units, like the siege tanks. The name is good, better than naming it Zeus or Ra..or even Jesus. Thor sounds more ''warrish''.

I)4rk

07-22-2007, 03:50 AM

So wait, the Thor is created from SCVs together? You probably need to research it right? Because I mean it'd be pretty cheap just to watch a thor pop up in your base in like 5 mins into the game WTF!!!! hahhaha Hopefully it is a lategame upgrade. This way even the CC will be useful in battle unit production. Haha a great way to keep pumping SCVs...

GuiMontag

07-22-2007, 03:55 AM

The THOR will be built like a building, likely under the advanced building section.

DKutrovsky

07-22-2007, 11:52 AM

It sounds weid being built by a SCV.

I mean with enough resources, you can make like 15-20 thors quite easily :)

GuiMontag

07-22-2007, 11:59 AM

its not that odd considering its bigger than a factory :P
with enough resources you can build 20 starports and then bulid 20 battlecuisers quite easily :P

WuHT

07-22-2007, 12:04 PM

GuiMontag

07-22-2007, 01:21 PM

i wouldnt count on the THOR being that powerfull, all the info we have is from magazines who have played the game for half an hour. When blizzard gives us the real info, then it will probably seem alot less powerful and make sense story wise.

i realy like the direction there going in making a larger difference in top tier units to first tier, it was really gay in sc1 when ultralisks were taken out by M&M with stims really easily. or when battlecruisers got owned by hydralisks.

as for the feel of the THOR, i think its great even though it will probably end up like the ultralisk in sc1, but the graphic is hardcore.

DKutrovsky

07-22-2007, 05:59 PM

its not that odd considering its bigger than a factory :P
with enough resources you can build 20 starports and then bulid 20 battlecuisers quite easily :P

Yeah, but you need the building where as you can only pump with SCVs is what i ment.

As for the power of thor, we dont know it yet, is he using gattling guns, or miniguns or artilry or missles, or his range, or the type of damage. I really want some statistics...Cant wait for Blizzcon(not going just the news from it:)

JudicatorPrime

07-22-2007, 06:30 PM

zeratul11

07-22-2007, 11:39 PM

WuHT

07-23-2007, 01:31 AM

well.. i mean goliaths are a mech. Bascially it's a rocket-pack on legs + small gatling gun. But having something with 8 giant guns stickin out of it is a little farfetched (more fantasy than sci-fi). If the protoss had a "thor" archon/colossus hybrid unit..that wouldn't be too surprising...but humans ? I'm not too sure.

Alasdair

07-23-2007, 01:41 AM

well, the terrans have always been guys who like big guns, why not make a REALLY big mobile gun/guns, i think it fits perfectly with their theme, protoss like technology, zerg like massive amounts of units, terrans like thick armor and big guns!

Lombar

07-23-2007, 03:18 AM

Reasons why i dont like the new Thor :

1) It's got some strange fantasy feel to it (it's still Sci-Fi). It looks more like a Giant Robot than a vehicle, especially when we know that it's going to have strong firepower. In fact..the first thing i thought of was Warhammer 30k...and i dont even play it!
There was comparisons about starcraft being very influenced by it and if anything, Blizzard should steer AWAY from this.
I mean the Terran are efficient, practical, with very specialized units to fit certain roles (you can't A-click ground and expect to win). Thor looks very "all-purpose/dominate-all" type of unit, and to me, thats VERY un-terran like.

2)I always imagined the Terran to be the underdogs, the pioneers, the guys who have to not only defend themselves from alien threat,s but settle and build from literally nothing. Thor looks like a mecha that only well-established civilizations can muster, and the terran to me seem more nomadic and still settling.

3)Are units just going to get bigger and bigger ? Protoss got the colossus, and now the terran get the Thor. I'd imagine that the SC2 zerg "ultralisk" is going to be freakishly monstrous.

Dude.. if you think that of the terrans, then you DID NOT played starcraft or have any clue about Terran game history. Think about the Terrans as the Imperialistic bit***** we are. We are allways looking for bigger and more destructive weapons (NUKE) and are allways trying to expand our territories. I read the Terran history the other day.. Dude, we've been here for centuries! What are you talking settlers my ass!

Some guy posted that the terrans has not a single strong assault unit, and he's right!.. A bc is OH so expensive and can be taken down by 4 hidralisks.

As for the "Big siege tank" function, i think it'll probably has the siege ability + some gatling guns (strong ones plz, not another goliath.. ><) + maybe some AOE missiles every now and then. In my opinion, it'll take a different role than the siege tank, taking more the role as a sixpack of goliaths maybe, with the ability to siege everynow and then.

I personally think THOR is a good name and it'll separate even more the terran from the other races. It's about time a terran unit could kick ass some toss. ^^ Thor'll pwn in Thor vs Colossi battles.. :)

JudicatorPrime

07-23-2007, 03:52 AM

all i can i say is that now is the time that the Terran build something huge and destructive unit like thor and bring it to the battle field. why not? they are in the future.metal gear have the rex mech, so terran can definitely build something like the thor. its about time.

It's not a question of whether or not they can build it, its whether or not it belongs... Zerg might as well get an invincible Vampire unit that drains blood and cannot be killed... And the Protoss get the Metal Gear Ray >.<

I question its ability to actually assault an enemy considering its hard of turning... That alone would get it pummuled by the weakest unit attacking from behind (unless it has guns coming out of its ass too)... And if it IS meant to be a "stay-away-from-fight-artillery" unit then it makes you ask what the hell happened to the siege tank, and why does it need to have legs?

I'm guessing the developers really want you to havem ore diverse units, instead of a bazillion BC's they want you to use Thors for the punch, but also have a lot of other units supporting the Thors..

zeratul11

07-23-2007, 04:04 AM

exactly. thick armor and big guns = thor.

Wlck742

07-23-2007, 04:47 AM

Well, what's the reasoning behind mechs being more Fantasy than Sci-Fi? I mean, mechs are really the only vehicle that we haven't actually created yet. We have tanks, jet fighters, bombers, spacecraft, and even some hover vehicles, but we don't have mechs. Mechs are like the pinnacle of military technology. You think mechs would fit in better with elves and orcs or whatever than they would with aliens and space? Seriously, mechs do fit in with Terran, they're theoretically more versatile and maneuverable than tanks, aircraft, or even a hovercraft. As for why everything keeps on getting bigger... well, they just want to kill more faster with less casualties. The thicker the armor, the longer you live, the bigger the guns the faster you kill.

GuiMontag

07-23-2007, 07:36 AM

actually the Japanese have created a mech, it walks really slowly and has a belly mounted chain gun

JudicatorPrime

07-23-2007, 08:01 AM

Theoretically a hover vehicle would be far superior to a mech... The Thor is far from practical...

Japanese have made a Transformer, albeit only 2 meters tall and no plasma cannons and it doesn't make the trademark sound.

zeratul11

07-23-2007, 08:42 AM

so like japan will rule the world someday =)

SirBaron

07-23-2007, 09:14 AM

Oh, but they already do... they've just invaded us peacefully, you see...

DontHate

07-23-2007, 01:04 PM

The thor looks so good. I mean u build it from scv's!! A big drawback i see is if you're retreating though.

Nikzad

07-23-2007, 01:42 PM

I question its ability to actually assault an enemy considering its hard of turning... That alone would get it pummuled by the weakest unit attacking from behind (unless it has guns coming out of its ass too)... And if it IS meant to be a "stay-away-from-fight-artillery" unit then it makes you ask what the hell happened to the siege tank, and why does it need to have legs?

Artillery, by definition, is not something that you carry along with you on the front lines. So anything other than "'stay-away-from-fight-artillery'" is contradictory. Technically, it should be miles behind advancing troops, pummeling enemy resistance as their forces advance, so I don't think it should be a big problem keeping it away from the enemy (I mean, if you are attacking with a Thor, I'd assume you have the forces to protect it as well)

The siege tank is gonna be a multi-purpose troop support and siege weapon, and the Thor will primarily be a siege weapon, I think.

Hadean

07-23-2007, 04:08 PM

As useless as it'll be in Melee or Singleplayer Thor is gonna be f**king cool in UMS.

CodyFallsForth

07-23-2007, 06:50 PM

Since it is constructed by SCVs, is it considered a structure?

Would it take population?

And how much do you think it would cost?

I'm assuming for balance issues it take pop.
And does 300/250 sound about right?

Alasdair

07-23-2007, 07:00 PM

I doubt it'd be a structure, and it would probably take about 10 pop, as far as resources go though, id suspect they'd make it cost about twice as much as a battlecruiser

DKutrovsky

07-23-2007, 07:40 PM

10 pop is too much imo, and 800/600 ? Thats too much as well

I would rather have 5 siege tanks

Alasdair

07-23-2007, 08:03 PM

lol, true, i suppose you would only build it so that you can say you have one, lol, not very cost effective.
How about 500/300 and takes 6 or 7 pop?

FlyingTiger

07-23-2007, 08:18 PM

I'm thinking it would take 6 pop. A mothership already takes up 10 pop... so 6 is reasonable.

DKutrovsky

07-23-2007, 09:25 PM

Actually the mothership takes 8 supply currently, i think the thor will take anything from 4 to 6.

capthavic

07-23-2007, 11:17 PM

No it's not a structure, it a unit.

If the MS is currently taking 8 SP then I guess the thor will take 4-5 SP and will cost 1/4 of a MS.

Star-Crap

07-24-2007, 04:06 AM

since it takes a while for thor to turn around can u attack him from behind and not get hurt by him?

plague his ass

burkid

07-24-2007, 04:07 AM

^i really hope plague comes back. except for when im not playing zerg

thors are gonna kick complete ass, just as long as they are facing the right way :P

DKutrovsky

07-24-2007, 07:14 AM

The big question is, can we load the thor in a dropship

burkid

07-24-2007, 02:43 PM

i really, truly doubt it.

Nikzad

07-24-2007, 03:22 PM

I really don't think their is the slightest chance. I mean, it's built as a building and is larger than a missile turret! (right?) But it would be siccccccckkkkkkk if you could get like 2 or 3 banshees and get them to airlift it! It would be the big thing that breaks all sieges, no matter what, like in LotR at Minas Tirith and that enormous battering ram called Gromm or whatever...it came up and all the elves and humans were like "F***. We just got pwned. GG."

burkid

07-24-2007, 03:29 PM

yeah, its bigger than a missile turret. i think its close to the size of a barracks.

DKutrovsky

07-24-2007, 05:14 PM

The siege tank aint small either, and the dropship carried 2 in SC1 :)

The shuttle also carried 2 reavers, overlord carried 2x ultralisks.

RIGHT!?

Nikzad

07-24-2007, 05:31 PM

The siege tank wasn't built like a building though, it was still built in the factory

DKutrovsky

07-24-2007, 06:40 PM

Well, why would it matter, if it moves?

We're talking about size, if you build a unit thats ultimately mobile, like thor, regardless of the way its built, it should be able to get in the drop ship, if its size allows it.

The siege tank, or any other mechanical unit for that matter, is built the same way, only inside the factory as opposed to outside.I dont see a huge deal.

Nikzad

07-24-2007, 07:07 PM

My contention is that you have to recognize that it isn't like any other unit, and that special considerations will be taken into account. IF - and I think that's a big "if" - dropships can carry them, I think it will/should be 1 per ship. It would be much more efficient to load up units into the dropship, fly them to where you want, and take an SCV with you. Deploy units, establish defensive perimeter and have the SCV build the Thor on site. I mean, it's a siege unit, first and foremost. They didn't transport fully assembled trebuchets across the Mediterranean for the Crusades, they assembled them when they got to wherever they were sieging. I think it will be the same way with Thors.

burkid

07-24-2007, 09:49 PM

...it should be able to get in the drop ship, if its size allows it.

The siege tank, or any other mechanical unit for that matter...

the thor is as big as the building that makes dropships, so it really shouldnt fit.

and the seige tank is about 1/4 the size of the thor. you cant really compare the two.

WuHT

07-25-2007, 10:32 AM

Dude.. if you think that of the terrans, then you DID NOT played starcraft or have any clue about Terran game history. Think about the Terrans as the Imperialistic bit***** we are. We are allways looking for bigger and more destructive weapons (NUKE) and are allways trying to expand our territories. I read the Terran history the other day.. Dude, we've been here for centuries! What are you talking settlers my ass!

Some guy posted that the terrans has not a single strong assault unit, and he's right!.. A bc is OH so expensive and can be taken down by 4 hidralisks.

As for the "Big siege tank" function, i think it'll probably has the siege ability + some gatling guns (strong ones plz, not another goliath.. ><) + maybe some AOE missiles every now and then. In my opinion, it'll take a different role than the siege tank, taking more the role as a sixpack of goliaths maybe, with the ability to siege everynow and then.

I personally think THOR is a good name and it'll separate even more the terran from the other races. It's about time a terran unit could kick ass some toss. ^^ Thor'll pwn in Thor vs Colossi battles.. :)

Nuke = like a big bullet that just hurts. Functions and appears are strict weaponry, efficient and practical.
The problem with Thor is that he looks like someone turned the Barrack alive (like a transformer/antimated building).

A unit that is slow, heavy firepower, good @ sieging, vulernable to air is ALREADY present in the terran army. It doesn't matter if the Terran are imperialistic, they still were the underdogs compared to the power protoss or the swarming zerg. Its not like the zerg/protoss are a minor problem to the terran...they are a major force, and that it's down to just plain efiiciency for the terran to fight back. Sure u can try to expand, but it's all about survival against superior alien forces.
Thor looks extravagant and outrageous.

I dont really care if the Thor can take on a colossus, and i'm sure a team of siege tanks can do just fine.
-------------------
The argument lies in that since the BC is depicted as a "mobile" fortress.. sacrificing some firepower/armour for flight mobility is assumed. Lets say that the Thor is a ground base "mobile" fortress kinda like the BC. We run into the problem that 1 )BC's look like almost a shoo-in for sc2... and 2) Siege tanks are almost a shoo-in for sc2 as well.

kehmdaddy

07-25-2007, 11:06 AM

If the MS is currently taking 8 SP then I guess the thor will take 4-5 SP and will cost 1/4 of a MS.
Well I believe it was recently reported the Mothership currently costs 400 Minerals and Gas... so good luck getting your 100/100 Thor. I'm fine with the Thor personally, I don't understand what all the fuss is about. It's a huge, mobile, long range weapon that's going to do a whole hell of a lot of damage and will probably cost about as much as two to two and half siege tanks. I don't see what's wrong with that.

Remy

07-25-2007, 12:38 PM

I feel that this thread is full of unfounded speculation and groundless wild guesses.

While it's true that we speculate much about SC2, a lot of what has been going on here has gone quite a bit overboard.

We know next to nothing about this unit. There is but a few vague details, some descriptions, and some still pictures. It is a brand new unit not replacing any other. There are also no other unit that we can even compare it to, be it SC1 or SC2. Now what is there to complain or worry about?

burkid

07-25-2007, 03:59 PM

for some reason, people see a big mech with guns and say its gonna replace the tank or be replaced by the tank.

Major Willy

07-25-2007, 06:42 PM

Thors won't be good against ground units. They'll most likely have a strong attack with long cooldowns, Perfect for crushing an enemy base.

Hadean

07-26-2007, 02:49 AM

There are also no other unit that we can even compare it to, be it SC1 or SC2. Now what is there to complain or worry about?

Whats to complain about? You're a big fan of pointing out redundancy in the air. How's about on the ground? Do the terrans REALLY need two siege weapons? I'm pretty sure Siege tank fills the role well enough, and the banshee will more than likely be used similar to the Guardian, so we have both an aerial and ground role for siege, why do we need a giant ass mech thats going to be about as useful as an asshole on an elbow?

Remy

07-26-2007, 08:39 AM

There is very little detail that we know about the Thor as far as how it would function in real games and what its role is for the Terran. It is too early to say this or that about it right now. That is what I'm saying.

Why would Blizzard clean up and streamline much of the old just to turn around and add a redundant unit? Sure makes no sense to me. If we knew enough about it to even be half way certain that it's redundant I wouldn't mind. But the truth is, nobody knows jack about it right now. It a new unit, new role, new abilities, new everything. It is not at all similar to discussing about revamped units with revamped abilities/spells.

And banshee will not be similar to the guardian, it will be like the wraith. Guardian was tier 3 air siege, as was carrier and BC. Wraith was tactical air, along with muta and scout, it's what you use for ATG annoyance, hit-and-run, tech rush, etc.

Hadean, you seem to be hinting that since I talked about overlapping responsibilities with Terran AA and consequently unused units, I should do the same here, but you're wrong. That was my analysis based on SC1 Terran. SC1 already happened, we have facts about it. Here, you are trying to assume the same could be done when it's a completely different scenario. There is NOTHING that supports the theory of Thor being redudant except for assumptions and assumptions only. It might turn out to be one way or another, but right now, who's to say which?

Nikzad

07-26-2007, 02:30 PM

I agree with Remy; it's still early to debate. Didn't they say Thor is going to be good against buildings and big units? If so,it wouldn't be as useful against swarms of zerglings as a seige tank. Siege tank could be more for long distance attacks, whereas Thor could be specialized for buildings. Who knows? Maybe they are nerfing the siege tank, and the Thor will take the spot as top damage-dealing mechanical unit for Terran? (blasphemy!)

Meloku

07-26-2007, 02:42 PM

Well, speculation or not, I can just see my thor slowly turning, and blowing a colossus right over in a heated battle.

WuHT

07-26-2007, 10:50 PM

Hey Thor would be great for a campaign mission. So far..it looks rather silly for online player vs player.

kehmdaddy

07-27-2007, 05:30 AM

Maybe they are nerfing the siege tank, and the Thor will take the spot as top damage-dealing mechanical unit for Terran? (blasphemy!)
I'm pretty confident that the Thor will take that spot, regardless if they bring down the Siege Tank's damage at all. From what we've heard, it's long cooldown, slow to turn, slow to move, but wreaks hell on enemy forces and buildings. And I don't think it would make much sense to give it 10 huge cannons and have it do less than the Siege Tank's single one.

Nikzad

07-27-2007, 02:16 PM

I thought of a better way to express my idea

You know how in real-life, they have multiple types of ammunition for tanks and artillery? There is HE, or high explosive, which is most effective against infantry. They also have AP, or armor-piercing, which is most effective against enemy armor. Then they have a different type for damaging buildings and bunkers too, but I don't know what they call it.

So maybe the siege tank will be the high-explosive tank/artillery, and the Thor will be the AP and/or building destroying artillery...

ShdwyTemplar

07-27-2007, 08:13 PM

In this High Res Screen Shot We can see a Thor in the top middle in an explosion and another entering near the Mutalisk. Thought I would just inform you of them. Also Note the Main Attack of the Thor seems to be a laser. ;D
http://www.gamemeca.com/game_data/preview/2050/teran-6.jpg Just for your enjoyment.

Remy

07-27-2007, 09:29 PM

I'm not sure about the Thor as I myself coundn't see any actual projectile or laser in the screenshot. However, the Planetary Fortress seem to shoot lasers. You see a red one shot at zerglings.

Major Willy

07-28-2007, 01:14 AM

That is a REALLY crappy laser. A tiny little sliver.

What would the cost for the Thor be? Above, below, or around the Battlecruiser cost?

burkid

07-28-2007, 04:12 AM

probably above/around BC cost.

Itsmyship

07-28-2007, 04:17 AM

I was preety sure that in the nuke picture that the Planetary Fortress was shooting a gatling gun.

burkid

07-28-2007, 04:18 AM

you can see one of the red lasers in the air from the planetary fortress.

Itsmyship

07-28-2007, 04:20 AM

Huh....those better be some fast shooting lasers then! I want to be an ACTUAL fortress :P

burkid

07-28-2007, 04:21 AM

i want the lasers to be bigger, they're rather small.

Hadean

07-29-2007, 07:07 AM

Thor can shoot air w00t! My opinion has changed.

zeratul11

07-29-2007, 09:30 AM

what do you think the two guns of the thor fires? is it laser too? i hope the laser is BIG.

what weapon will the thor use to fire at air units?

hhmm. i hope the bombardment attack of the thor is badazz.

Wlck742

07-29-2007, 05:45 PM

I hope the thor uses a flak cannon for AA, that would be bada$$. And thors would be cooler with plain old guns or shells.

BoydofZINJ

07-30-2007, 08:02 AM

What should the ultimate terran unit do? I say the ultimate nuke force perhaps? A unit that can call in 3 nukes without the use of building silos? A Goliath that can call three nukes without additional spotters or silos, for example. But thats the thunder in me talking. Who knows. But the terran ultimate unit should be some... terranish :p

Ghost

07-30-2007, 08:18 AM

I hope the thor uses a flak cannon for AA, that would be bada$$. And thors would be cooler with plain old guns or shells.

I like the idea of flak cannons for AA but then the THOR would be a little overpowered dont you think? Only fast-ass units could be able to beat it, andway if you have 2 thors you can put them back to back to eliminate turning time xD

Chris Benoit

07-30-2007, 09:17 AM

It's been confirmed that Thor is both anti-ground and anti-air.

zeratul11

07-30-2007, 09:32 AM

sweeettt. now thor will pwn everything air and ground.

my new favorite unit owns! go thor. ^.^

DontHate

07-30-2007, 11:38 AM

awesome. I hope there is the flak cannon design too. each time it shoots the air it's splash damage and there is the exposion that the siege tank has in sc2.

burkid

07-30-2007, 07:26 PM

@ BoydofZINJ, [u][b][i]TERRAN AND ZERG ARE NOT GETTING ULTIMATE UNITS!

Ghost

07-31-2007, 04:48 PM

Well, this unit is pretty much kinda, sorta, might be, is like a little ultimate dontcha think?

And, wow, anti air AND anti ground, holy daing. Zerg are gonna have a hell of a time dealing with this monster due to their weak hp and tendency to group up.

Major Willy

07-31-2007, 04:50 PM

To be fair this thing is massive, right?

Should be hit by AA.

Ghost

07-31-2007, 07:53 PM

Its rather large, but not that tall.

Remy

07-31-2007, 08:39 PM

@ BoydofZINJ, TERRAN AND ZERG ARE NOT GETTING ULTIMATE UNITS![b]

Burkid you italicized with bold font, but you forgot to underline and add colors for extra emphasis. Here, lemme help you out with that buddy. [i][b]TERRAN AND ZERG ARE NOT GETTING ULTIMATE UNITS!

Why do people still want to dub the Thor as ultimate when Blizzard has given glaring weakness and clear counter?

burkid

07-31-2007, 08:43 PM

oh, sorry bout that, i was on my way out the door and didnt think of editing it when i came back. i figured standared white would be fine, but ill change it.

edit: thats better. i made it red so it stands out more.

Remy

07-31-2007, 08:46 PM

DontHate

07-31-2007, 08:49 PM

well, sarcasm does not travel well through the interwebs.

burkid

07-31-2007, 08:52 PM

oh, i knew you were kidding, and i acted serious anyways. i was sitting here for a minute reading my post before i posted it and was thinking "how can i make this sound as though im not being serious?" i guess it didnt work. o well. anyways, my other post is red now, so it all works out.

zeratul11

07-31-2007, 11:11 PM

Wow, Burkid, you sound incredibly serious. You know I'm just kidding around right?

People can never tell when I'm kidding. Even in real life, sometimes my own friends don't know that I'm playing around. Perhaps I should seek help...

nah i dont think you need help. i think the way you play around is COOL. ^^

and il help too. THOR IS NOT AN ULTIMATE UNIT! and its my fave unit too in starcraft 2. lol

Remy

07-31-2007, 11:15 PM

Why, thanks a lot there Zer' buddy. It's nice to know that you're appreciated.

So we're still on for this Saturday to go see the shrink together right? :P

Major Willy

07-31-2007, 11:16 PM

It all started back when I was a small child of 6...

Nikzad

08-01-2007, 03:06 PM

I understand what you mean about people not understanding you

I tell a lot of jokes that take waaaay too much explanation if you don't necessarily get them at first

So I tell jokes and girls go "whaa...? I don't get it..." and then I explain and they say "OOOOHH.......Hehe..." and I'm like "You're retarded."

It's tough being uber-smart, don't you agree? ;D

Remy

08-01-2007, 04:00 PM

LOL. All I can say is LOL Nikzad.

I guess we can all carpool this Saturday. We'll save you a seat Nikzad.

ArchLimit

08-01-2007, 04:05 PM

I tell a lot of jokes that take waaaay too much explanation if you don't necessarily get them at first

Nikzad, that's why I leave all my jokes at the "A baby seal walks into a club" level.

It allows no wiggle room.

Nikzad

08-01-2007, 04:18 PM

hahahahahahahahaha I'll try that out then, see how it works

oh and Remy, shall I give you my address? I'll PM you so it's not made public

I can't think of an example of a free-standing joke that I've done like, but I'm a hardcore movie quoter, so I will quote a movie at the EXACT timing in a social situation when it would be PERFECT, but not too many girls that I've met have seen/remotely remember anything at all from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, etc.

I can quote entire scenes of Orange County by heart:
Mr. Burke (teacher): Now when I say Romeo & Juliet, who comes to mind?
*main character, protagonist, raises his hand and is ignored*
Dana: Claire Danes?
Mr Burke: That's right.
Chad: Leonardo DiCaprio?
Mr. Burke: Right. Who else?
*main character, still has his hand raised but is ignored*
Mr. Burke: Someone else was involved in that movie, who in some ways is almost as famous as Leonardo DiCaprio. And his name is William Shakespeare. And some great movies are based on his plays: Hamlet, West Side Story, The Talented Mr. Ripley, Waterworld, Gladiator, Chocolat...

But back on-topic:
Thor is good

Hadean

08-03-2007, 03:03 PM

Now. I wonder if it's even possible to transport the big son of a *****. I'm not gonna lie, it'd be pretty comical to see a giant ass thor just suddenly disappear following by the sound of a dropship being loaded. :D

And Burkid. To avoid comical confusion, use a ;) at the end of any non-serious post. It's what the greats like myself employ, and boy howdy does it work!

Remy

08-03-2007, 03:43 PM

Actually the Thor is a big son of a SCV. And all he wants is just to be a real boy. Too bad he lies too much.

Warning: Do not stand around when the guy tells a lie, you won't be on the same planet you were a moment ago.

burkid

08-03-2007, 03:58 PM

i hadnt thought of that hadean. thanks :powerup:

Hadean

08-03-2007, 04:50 PM

I was just thinking of something actually. How in the hell would you deal with four Thors at your door? Yes the rhyme was intentional.

Really now, it'll more than likely outshoot any of your siege weapons and short of air units, you'd need a alot to bring them down fast before they did serious damage and whos to say they wouldn't have support. I'm borderline worried now that I think about it, they could actually be ridiculously dangerous. Especially Terran vs Terran. Your only hope i'd think would be to counter with your own thors.

*edit* Maybe nukes? since it moves so slowly it probably cant evade a nuke? Just thinkin.

Wlck742

08-03-2007, 05:37 PM

You could always just lockdown and yamato.

burkid

08-03-2007, 05:54 PM

lockdown probably wont return.
i think that seige tanks have further range than the thor, but the thors artillery strike probably has similar range.

tanks, reavers, guardians. thats how you take them down.

DontHate

08-03-2007, 06:04 PM

I'm sure if he has 4 thors @ ur door he won't have more to protect his thors.

Hadean

08-03-2007, 07:32 PM

I said, it'd be safe to assume it would have support. Only a retard moves siege weapons up to attack by themselves.

And since its essentially a moving building could you lockdown something THAT big?

Star-Crap

08-03-2007, 07:47 PM

I thought thor was gonna move more slow than that.

burkid

08-03-2007, 07:51 PM

yeah, it seem kinda fast... ish.

i want to see how slow they turn though.

Wlck742

08-04-2007, 02:56 AM

Ah well, Blizzcon's started. It won't be long till we get news.

privateparts

08-04-2007, 11:58 AM

Personally I think the effect would look alot more awesome if we could see the bullets flying through the air, rather then the cannons firing and the explosions appearing on the attacked unit.

DKutrovsky

08-05-2007, 12:33 AM

I just wanted to share how i feel about the new terran ;)

Vikings also look good, i want to see the BC now...

Itsmyship

08-05-2007, 12:37 AM

http://www.starcraft2forum.org/forums/index.php?topic=1523.msg39580;topicseen#new

Go in there, and in page....9 i think, there's the vid for the Terran units which is similar to the opening anouncement made. Shows all the awesomness that is the BC, Viking, and Banshee :)

Ghost

08-05-2007, 12:37 AM

Um, we have seen the battle cruiser and its two abilities...

DKutrovsky

08-05-2007, 02:38 AM

So i just watched it, and Terrans look very cool. I was actually talking about the BC in a topic, that i mentioned that the way it shoots its lazers isnt very capital ship like. Im very glad they changed it the way they did, makes it look very cool now, and it makes me feel special.

I really like terrans currently. Much more than protoss. Im 99.9% sure i'll play terran in SC2 as well, unless zerg is just to cool for school.

Good job blizzard

Gasmaskguy

08-06-2007, 01:26 AM

Yeah, it would look sweet, but you would get mad the seventh time the enemys faster troops just laughingly moves away. So, to prevent that, the bullet would still have to be quite fast.

DontHate

08-06-2007, 01:28 AM

u mean like the thor shooting the cannons straight up at the sky and them landing on the enemy? yea i think that would be cool too, except i dont really mind it the way it is now. it still looks bad ass.

zeratul11

08-06-2007, 05:26 AM

give them missiles. the explosions of the thor attack right now is kinda weak. blizz should do something about the thors artillery strike and make it look more threatening and badazz.

Skylark

08-06-2007, 06:52 AM

I agree. A unit that seemingly epic deserves a bit more punch with its power weapon. Yeah, it can still be slow, but powerful (like, you know, the Thor :p).

LJYLJ

08-06-2007, 10:41 AM

if they wanna give them power, just mount 5-6 arclite shock cannon (tank weapon if u didnt know) on the thor and it would be.. unstopable

zeratul11

08-06-2007, 10:45 AM

my idea is to give the thors attack a massive explosion and shock waves like that of the nuke. lol

yes shock wave effects would be nice for the thors artillery attacks.

GuiMontag

08-06-2007, 11:24 AM

how powerful do you want the attack lol, 1 artillery strike already destroys a whole planetary fortress in about 5 seconds, so the damage must be around 2000.

JudicatorPrime

08-06-2007, 11:51 AM

Just make the effects bigger, and I agree.. should be able to see it coming down.

DontHate

08-06-2007, 11:57 AM

the artillery strike seems very powerful imo. there are like 10 small nuke-looking explosions popping up, and that's what it's meant to be. The normal attack is also looking very powerful. Each time it attacks the enemy gets a huge cloud of explosion on it.

privateparts

08-06-2007, 02:25 PM

If anyone has played Dawn of War the Space Marines orbital bombardment ability I think the Thor artilerlly should look alot like that.

zeratul11

08-06-2007, 03:27 PM

how powerful do you want the attack lol, 1 artillery strike already destroys a whole planetary fortress in about 5 seconds, so the damage must be around 2000.

im not talking about the damage but the special effects.

Ghost

08-06-2007, 03:56 PM

What I find awy about the Thor is the ability is has to decimate a Planetary Fortress in just about 5 seconds, man, this means that the thor can basically 1-Hit-Kill any building and/or cluster of buildings.

FlyingTiger

08-06-2007, 04:07 PM

hmm seems imba but maybe they glorified it a bit in the demo.

I mean c'mon it's not like whenever you do the Thor bombardment, you get this in-game cinematic seeing the Thor do it's stuff on the Planetary Fortress and destroying it in one hit. So I don't think it's a one hit kill. Otherwise you can just make a crapload of Thors and just bombard each building and destroying a whole base in 10 seconds. I'm thinking it does a nuke like damage (400 dmg) but in a lot more smaller radius and also a hell of a long cooldown rate. yaaa not 2000 haha ^_^

Ghost

08-06-2007, 04:40 PM

yea lol, definately glorified. But still, it has to deal some heavy dmg with those 250mm bullets xDD

zeratul11

08-06-2007, 11:54 PM

how long is 250mm? sorry. ^^

BnechbReaker

08-07-2007, 11:35 PM

thor should be able to crush marines and zerglings while walking

Mikosz

08-07-2007, 11:55 PM

Thor is THE man :D

Its kinda is a walking Siege Tank with siege mode on :) I doubt the Collosus can take him on ^^

somiao

08-08-2007, 09:06 AM

Well this may sound stupid, but damn! i hope blizzard is reading this~ XD

After the thor is built, make an option so that other units for example the battlecruiser could be fused (combine) with the thor, this will not be same with archons cause u'll need the scv to do so, (it will also cause resources) after combining them, the thor gets the units weapon, ability and also some increase in hitpoints, this may sound like the avatar in cnc3 but the purpose of doin so is because terrans are suppose tobe adaptive, maybe blizzard could use this idea to introduce a new mechanic into this game~

Just my 2cents, feel free to give ur comments~
btw plz be kind its my first post :)

Mikosz

08-08-2007, 11:15 AM

Naf.. that would make a super unit like the RIP Mothership...

800 hp from BC + 800 from Thor ;) add armour... :P

Nooo.... it would be just like power rangers.... :>

-LT-

08-08-2007, 11:31 AM

I don't think that would work. =(

somiao

08-08-2007, 12:09 PM

well, dont give it full hitpoints and damage lol! btw, u'll lose the unit dude, its quite the same, but offers a different mechanic in the game by maybe slightly changing its ability a little bit, thus giving new tantical probabilities, i'm not suggesting the thor to be a superunit, but make it to fit different situations

somiao

08-08-2007, 12:19 PM

possibles configurations~
thor + seige tank = a lilttle more in armor or hit points, better splash damage and slower speed~
thor + battle cruiser plasma torpedo = get multiple beam canons to deal with small units
also get plasma torpedo ability
thor + battle cruiser yamato canon = get a high dmg beam canon to deal with huge units
get yamato canon

u guys could add more lol
btw it should add some armor(which reduce damage) and some hit points, nt full hit points though thats imba~ but just think after merging two units u get no increase in hit points? that would be wtf lol
maybe it wont work afterall but i like to share my ideas, sry if this post is crap~

somiao

08-12-2007, 08:50 AM

Well i opened this thread so that every one who is in love with the thor could discuss about it~ ;D
I would like to hear some ppl's opinion about this unit, also
1) Tweak that should be made...
2) Extra abilities? ideas... on ability is not enough...
3) About the thor's look? Well i looks badass now, bt it could be more BADASS~ :thumbup:
4) The attack animation?

zeratul11

08-12-2007, 09:11 AM

yah i love the thor. my fave unit in starcraft 2 right now.

i want it to have missiles flying on its artilery attack not flak canons. also i want the thor default attack to be laser. and both should create BIG explosions. the sound of the flak canon is lame and not badazz, just compare it the siege tank.

ill add more later.

tweakismyname

08-12-2007, 09:14 AM

as for a new ability if they put like huge ass flamethrowers on em so they could plow thru lings and small things.

muahahahhah every1 would be happy, expecialy those people who love their firebats

somiao

08-12-2007, 09:31 AM

lol, flamethrower in the thor? lol
zeratul11, i agree, the default animation is lame... it should be a energy base weapon, maybe a shrink yamato... XD
i would like the 250mm canon to be missle base, then i would be able to whack the ms LOL
bt i notice the chest canons are energy base... correct me if im wrong~

somiao

08-12-2007, 12:33 PM

I just gt an idea for abilities, mechanical STEAMPACK!!!!! that would make the thor a total ownage!!!
but be4 that, the attack animation hav to change, the artilery strike should be able to attack air, by making it missles, lol just imagine, a thor without its useless quad canon, but with missile attachments
all over it, lol~ it owns!!!
btw, i think a second unit should be able to be built from the scv~ this will make the new mechanice more significant...

DontHate

08-12-2007, 01:59 PM

adding flame throwers reminds me of that mechanical beast unit in warhammer 40k.
But anyways, i think the thor is good as it is... but it should have a slow lift jet pack type things on the buildings, so it doesn't get stuck in an island.

paragon

08-12-2007, 03:52 PM

i don't like anything about the thor
It's slow
It's a big target
It's expensive
It's at the top of the tech tree
It's not enough bang for the buck
It's ugly

08-12-2007, 04:00 PM

Personnally i don't think i will be using the thor very much for most of the reasons paragon wrote (except for the last one) and hopefully they do make its attack better as i fear it may become a second ultralisk.....

somiao

08-12-2007, 04:43 PM

lol thn it will be a thor spam since i can move any whr it want, it will be unba caz, din u watch the video?
it kill a planetary fotress in a few secs....
btw it seriously need a missle system, and beam weapon! the attack animations is yuck... :powerdown:

ArchLimit

08-12-2007, 05:00 PM

i don't like anything about the thor
It's slow
It's a big target
It's expensive
It's at the top of the tech tree
It's not enough bang for the buck
It's ugly

Paragon, I swear you're going a tad too far with this negativity, man. I mean, sure everyone's entitled to their opinion, but whenever I post on here, I more or less try to maintain the idea that Blizzard guys might be reading them, so I try 'n layout the bad with the good with perhaps reasons why. (Constructive criticism, they call it)

Since when did being "slow" and "Expensive" and "At the top of the tech tree" or a "big target" have any contributions towards NOT liking a unit as a whole?

When it's an expensive unit, it's usually cuz it's better. And the better ones are more near the top of the tech tree. And uh... anything in SC gets hit, whether it's a big or small target, it's not a FPS.

According to u'r description, u probably never went near a Battlecruiser...

Luckily most ppl I believe love the Thor, including myself. I sure as hell hope Blizzard doesnt F-up or redo it cuz of such negativity...

paragon

08-12-2007, 05:11 PM

christ i don't like ANYTHING about the thor, I'm not going to sugar coat my opinion of it on the assumption that some blizz guy is reading this. I hope they do read it because it shows my level of hate for the unit. Nobody was complaining when everyone said that the old siege tank's siege gun looked like big ugly lips. You're just mad because I have a differing opinion than you.

With my play-style I do not like getting a few expensive units. They can get killed by stuff too and a bunch of smaller, cheaper, well rounded units of different types can easily take it out then you've wasted all that money.

Being at the top of the tech tree means you have to go through lots of other things to get to it. I would much rather stay at a slightly lower tech and get banshees, vikings, and tanks.

Being big (combined with being slow) means that it has a much harder time getting out of the way of AOE spells and a much higher chance of getting hit with spells like plague. If plague is in the game, the thor will be a prime target for it. And there goes half it's HP or so. Also, all those terran AOE abilities will easily wipe out the thors because they wont be able to get out of the way so every missile, plasma torpedo, whatever will hit it.

And all you see is the negative things I post apparently. Didn't pay any attention to the fact that I love everything about the banshee did you? No. Mr. I-Only-See-The-Bad-In-People

edit: I only went near battlecruisers when the enemy had a severe lack of AA and I needed a heavy ground pounder. Your only other choice for an air unit that attacks ground is the wraith and that had a much worse ground attack for the price. And when I did get battlecruisers they were very susceptible to psi storm and plague because they were big and slow. Now in starcraft 2 you can get banshees for ground pounding so I probably wont touch battlecruisers much.

edti2: 2500, half way to immortality.

MarineCorp

08-12-2007, 05:16 PM

i don't like anything about the thor
It's slow
It's a big target
It's expensive
It's at the top of the tech tree
It's not enough bang for the buck
It's ugly

1.it's slow so it will make it balanced if it's fast/normal the weakness will be almost invulnerable
2.it's a big target so IT CAN get destroyed properly, why make small units with a big huge crazy gun blizzard did this so you can be more aware even if it's big it's hugely strong anyway
3.it's expensive....that's one of the most dumbest thing I HAVE EVER HEARD, the ultralisk is expensive, the carriers are expensive SO WHAT it's totally strong
4.it's at the top of the tech tree??? when i saw the image of the terran tech tree i saw the Thor on the middle left of the tech tree plus if it's on the top then it's the most bad*** terran unit of all anyway
5.yes the attack animation does suck but i hope they will improve it
6.it's not ugly...seriously it's a robot, you saying a robot is ugly then i guess you don't like transformers plus it look huge and so bad-um..*** ;D

ArchLimit

08-12-2007, 05:56 PM

Being big (combined with being slow) means that it has a much harder time getting out of the way of AOE spells and a much higher chance of getting hit with spells like plague. If plague is in the game, the thor will be a prime target for it. And there goes half it's HP or so. Also, all those terran AOE abilities will easily wipe out the thors because they wont be able to get out of the way so every missile, plasma torpedo, whatever will hit it.

Good Point. I didn't think about AOE damage. I withdraw my opinion on that one.

You're just mad because I have a differing opinion than you.

And all you see is the negative things I post apparently. Didn't pay any attention to the fact that I love everything about the banshee did you? No. Mr. I-Only-See-The-Bad-In-People

I can honestly say that nothing I've read/seen in this forum has caused me to be mad. And I personally think that you aren't a bad guy at all. I think you've got a lotta good points, most of the time, being a devotee to SC2 gets you an automatic plus with me, and oh, you seem to be a very promising digital artist :) I just think that it might serve you well to think out u'r posts a lil better cuz I think you tend to be a bit reckless with your opinions, as they often tend to be very one sided. You mentioned everyone's negativity towards the siege tank's appearance, which is fine. But understand that we had every right to dislike an ASPECT of the siege tank, and we all *****ed about it, which is great, it got changed. We didn't make a list of all these things that made the siege tank "suck." Or at Ieast I didn't. Notice that I never commented on how you thought the Thor was "ugly" or "not enough bang for a buck" because I find those to be very valid opinions.

edti2: 2500, half way to immortality.

Good luck.

paragon

08-12-2007, 06:40 PM

1.it's slow so it will make it balanced if it's fast/normal the weakness will be almost invulnerable
2.it's a big target so IT CAN get destroyed properly, why make small units with a big huge crazy gun blizzard did this so you can be more aware even if it's big it's hugely strong anyway
3.it's expensive....that's one of the most dumbest thing I HAVE EVER HEARD, the ultralisk is expensive, the carriers are expensive SO WHAT it's totally strong
4.it's at the top of the tech tree??? when i saw the image of the terran tech tree i saw the Thor on the middle left of the tech tree plus if it's on the top then it's the most bad*** terran unit of all anyway
5.yes the attack animation does suck but i hope they will improve it
6.it's not ugly...seriously it's a robot, you saying a robot is ugly then i guess you don't like transformers plus it look huge and so bad-um..*** ;D

1. I don't like slow units, they can't run away if they are in trouble
2. I don't like big targets because they can be destroyed easily
3. I don't like the ultralisk or carrier either
4. My point in that is it takes a long time to get to it
5. Yes
6. I like the new transformers look, I don't like the thor, it does not look like a transformer.

You see to be under the impression that I want it to be a faster, cheaper, smaller unit with the same stats. I don't. I just don't like the unit and don't see myself ever needing or wanting to get it in the game.
For siege I've got the siege tank. I can put them in dropships making them a hell of a lot more mobile.
For regular ground units I've got vikings and banshees. Vikings can turn into air so they are mobile and banshees are air plus they can cloak so they are mobile.
And Thors need AA anyways for protection so theres another use for Vikings.

I play fast. Move in, lay down destruction, move on. I don't want some big lumbering unit that I have to keep my smaller units around so that I can protect it. I never said the thor was a bad unit or that it didn't belong in the game. I said it doesn't fit my play style.

DKutrovsky

08-12-2007, 11:40 PM

I thought Thors could attack air?

You seem the miss a side of being big paragon, the thor might act as a mean shield with several SCV's on auto repair behind it, or a Nomad casting heal on it, it has less range than a Siege tank so it will be infront of it, in the Faction Demo at blizzcon, they were sent in first, taking the hits from the other Siege tanks, allowing the smaller units to charge in, much like an Immortal would do. So im saying there are plenty of uses for the Thor.

As for looks, it looks ok, i would give a 7 maybe 8/10, it could definately see some love. And i would give a 4 or a 5 to its attack(the normal one)

Absorbing damage. Also, smaller units are even more suceptable to AoE damage because they usually have less HP, 50 marines ,ay die from one Psi Storm, a Thor will not.

zeratul11

08-13-2007, 12:48 AM

the moment you see a thor raiding your base, you'll know why its useful.

anyway for the looks alone, i give it a 8.5 out of 10. then again it should be perfect when released. a little more details etc.

and the attack animation? 6 out of 10. change it! needs to look more stronger. cause the siege tanks one canon attack looks stronger.

paragon

08-13-2007, 03:33 AM

the moment you see a thor raiding your base, you'll now why its useful.

It'll be a pile of rubble way before it gets to my base. Maybe even before it's finished being built. And I'll think "hmm what a waste"

somiao

08-13-2007, 07:28 AM

lol the game is nt even out? how could you define it as useless?
Lets stop the debate, well this thread is about how to improve the thor~
I think there should be more upgrades and abilities, 1 is nt enough....
Btw zeratul11 i agree, it will be totally cool if it have more details!!!
For example, seige tank seige mode canons as its arms!!!
oH ya! missile system!!! all over its body, that would be ownage! :good:

zeratul11

08-13-2007, 09:55 AM

and a thor upgrade taht allows it to become a battleship. the terran version of the mothership. lol

missiles and HUGE laser beams for the THOR. come on blizzard.

somiao

08-13-2007, 11:17 AM

Wow, we seem to have same feelings for the thor~
well i personally want the thor to become a super unit! haha bt its quite imposible...

I hope thrs an upgrade that a thor far more stronger, but limit it to only one upgrade,
to sum it up, u have a bunch of normal thors, and a uber powerful upgraded thor, in my previous thread,
I state that there should be an option for the scv to disembled othe units, eg battlecruiser, seige tank...
and use their armor and weapons and abilities on the thor, maybe a different ability...

To make it interesting, with different combinations, different weakness would appear~ after u got a full combination, the thor would be perfect! haha im dreaming too much....

DKutrovsky

08-13-2007, 12:11 PM

Somiao, although a cool idea its way to complicated for Starcraft.

paragon i bet you're a zerg player? Thor is the only big ground unit the terran have, so i raelly think its a very valuable one, and one that i'll use quite often

slugonice

08-13-2007, 01:37 PM

They should have an anti ZERGLING/anti ZEALOT weapon in the THOR
axe the firebats and put them on the THOR

somiao

08-13-2007, 02:35 PM

ThX 4 saying that my idea is cool...
DKutrovsky, but thats y my idea will stay a concept, blizzard is too conservative to input the idea...
Unless they find a way to make it easy... jz like the archon...
btw, dont the thor have have splash? i mean AoE? y do u need a super late unit to deal with swarms?
banshee ftw~

btw, DKutrovsky i LoLed at ur paragon = zerg player statement, ROFL

Mikosz

08-13-2007, 04:41 PM

Its BIG... and propably will be armoured like hell :]

Cobras have anti-armour weapons so thats why they wasted him....

I doubt a swarm of amall units could take him on, just use his AOE and sayonara ground swarm :>

Heavyarms2050

08-13-2007, 04:44 PM

the only thing i dont like about the thor is the muzzle flash and the laser it shoots out of its 2 main cannon. its way too small looking

somiao

08-13-2007, 04:55 PM

yeah, so thats y i think i should be mounted dual seige tank seige mode canons~ missile pods all over it also~
the weapon now looks like flak canons... the damage is so little, take such a long time to take down a supply depot, bt instakill a planetary fortress with its 250mm canons, btw i think the 250mm attack animation should change, it should be able to target air as well...
now it has energy weapons on its chest, jz too small to be notice, watch the video carefully lol