Viking Fighter's name sux, let's find it a new one!

[Remy]

As the title suggests, I'm looking for people's ideas on a new name for the new Viking Fighter.

Out of all of the new stuff revealed in the Swedish magazine recently, I am personally most interested in the Viking Fighter by far. However, that name just doesn't do it. So let's make it known to Blizzard and find some better ones while we're at it.

Post up your ideas. Adopt-A-Name Foundation open for business.

[burkid]

LEVIATHAN! (keepin' it Norse)
as i said on the valk topic.

[paragon]

Leviathan is the name of a zerg brood.

[burkid]

yeah, so? it wasnt a main brood (Tiamat, Jormugand[spelled wrong], Garm, Baelrog) so it really doesnt matter that much. and i really like the name.

[paragon]

Here's a list of legendary creatures. There's plenty to choose from.
http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-legendary-creatures?ff=1

And reusing names is cheap.

and lets face it, Chupacabra is the best choice.

[burkid]

i dont see a list

[paragon]

paste didn't work right, it's up now.

I personally like Kraken, Cerberus, Charybdis, or Manticore

[burkid]

As long as its norse to go with the theme, im fine with it.
Kraken would be nice.

[tweakismyname]

chupacabra would be a better name for a zerg unit....

hehe the cupacabra! it's a comming!

nice name for a hero zergling

for the viking its totaly gotta be optimus prime
but thor needs a new name (Unless its got some thunderbolt technic)
id go with behemoth, nice simple name that gets the point across

[paragon]

the ground part is clearly a replacement of the Goliath. Which is not norse, it is from the old testament

[burkid]

i realize that, but many of the new terran units (new since the original) have had norse names. valkyrie, thor, viking. since it has a norse name now, might as well put a new norse one in.

im not saying id be pissed with some name that isnt norse, but its nice when things have themes, for example, the protoss. most of the protoss names are involved with christianity or at least religion, such as zealot, templar, arbiter.

[[LightMare]]

the best name would be Boobie, as paragon's list suggests

[Exvasion]

What about Shiva? Wasn't that a god/goddess that could change forms and also the god of destruction?
Not sure if it sounds cool or "badass" enough though. Personally, I like the name Viking.

[paragon]

the best name would be Boobie, as paragon's list suggests

you're right. this is the best name ever

[capthavic]

Personally I like the names they have now. But just for fun here are a few ideas

Viking: Griffin, Harpy, Icarus, Chimera.

Thor: Zeus, Titan, Cerberus, Minotaur.

[zeratul11]

hey why keep it norse?

leviathan, kraken, and chimera are mnonsters and doesn't have a metal thingy going on so skip it.

colossus could be a cyclops.
bahamut now thats nice. but too famous and can easily be identified or something.

thor is awesome. titan is nice

the viking looks bulky / fat. and they look similar with the thors. their like brothers, i hope the final(in game) or real version of it(vikings) doesn't look like a weaker and smaller version of a thor. anyway i think they should just remodel it and make them completely different from the thor.

[Gah345]

Some ideas

Razor
Eradicator
Tormentor

[zeratul11]

judge dread

goliath II

transformers

[Alasdair]

just a thought, if we're gonna used names of mythological beings, then shouldnt the machines/creatures resemble those beings?

Ex. a chimera could be the name of a terran land rover with three seperate guns on the front of it
( a chimera had three different heads, and i can only remember that one was a sannke and another was a goat, it also had a body of a lion. plaese dont think that the warcraft3 chimera is an actual chimera)

[I)4rk]

LOL Medusa!!! Have an ugly girl and just scare everyone away with a power move.

[Alasdair]

lol, i love it, and the best part is that you can get your own medusa in real life XD

[capthavic]

actually a chimera is "a mythological, fire-breathing monster, commonly represented with a lion's head, a goat's body, and a serpent's tail"

also

"an organism composed of two or more genetically distinct tissues, as an organism that is partly male and partly female, or an artificially produced individual having tissues of several species"

[paragon]

when i first saw organism with the word female written below it I thought it said orgasm... god i need to get out more



As for the Vikings, call them Raptors. They are both birds of prey and a type of dinosaur that walked around. ITS PERFECT.

[burkid]

^but raptor is used so often... it doesnt seem original anymore.

[paragon]

It's used because its an awesome fearsome wholesome name...some
And it hasn't been used in StarCraft.
soooo............... go for it blizzard.

[Gah345]

How Bout SENTINEL

reminds me of those octo like mechs from the matrix

plus its a cool name

[Gah345]

thankyou

haha i just finished watching the matrix 3 and i was like, thats a cool name

[Ych9]

I agree that the Viking fighters name truely sucks. I also hope that Blizzard actually changes the name before release. The name is soo unimaginative. I can't think of a good name at the moment, but when I think of something that is suitable and fitting, I will make sure to post my idea.

I really like the Sentinel name Gah345. It really suits the theme of it too. Sounds very imaginative and fitting. :powerup:

[Alukard]

How about :

BALISTA FIGHTER!- Ofter balistas were a complex mechanical arbalets, so it can fit to the complex machine wew got.

or

BERSERKER FIGHER! Strong name for a tough unit.

[Ych9]

Here are some of my ideas.

Terran Cosmic
Terran Tyrant
Terran Comet

Those names just kind of popped into my mind while I was browsing around.

[StormCrow]

Imo Raptor would fit the Viking very well.

My suggestions are,

Basilisk

Sabre

Falcon

[Lord David]

May I suggest the Terran Longboat? Berserker? :P

[zeratul11]

heres the best replacement name for the thor.

LIONHEART.. or maybe a name of a new terran unit. anyway i like it even though it sounds more like a skill or spell. 8)

here are others.

crusader = viking
scavenger = vulture.
iron sphere = a new vehicle unit that create temporary area of effect shields for defense.
stormcrow = new terran air unit that fires chain lightning damage.
spiral bomber = air unit.
tornado = air unit
assassin = sniper type unit.
elite ghost = ghost
cyborg = terran unit that uses samurai as its weapon.
apache = terran high tech helicopter.
metal gear = super unit.
captain planet - go planet.

and

spongebob = special type terran unit that cleans up dead bodies and bloods spills of terran units.


its hard to give good names. :-\

[Gah345]

thankyou supporters!!

personally i like Sentinel (and not just because i came up with it)

but there are some other good names in here too i also like Raptor

some of the bird names (eg falcon) would be good for air ships, but this is a transforming mech to air
so a bird name would seem a bit deceiving

[Exterranminator]

some names: "Crom", "Conan", "Perun", "Orcus", "Xolotl"

If u dont know from it comes from, go find on wiki ;)

[Nikzad]

(Genghis) Khan, Saladin, El Cid, Churchill, Patton, Attila, Stalin

[Dxun]

Give the viking fighter the name of Thor and give the Thor the name of Juggernaut. What do you think?

[Gah345]

thats interesting

juggernaut is a bit overused tho dont ya think?

[PowerkickasS]

for the viking its totaly gotta be optimus prime

agreed. imagine if the overmind was named megatron lolwtf?
"i am the megatron of the swarm"

I don't mind too badly what names are given to the units but here's a few from the top of my head:
Terran: Crusader. Chief. Archangel. Frigate. Bulldog.
Protoss: Highlander. Chosen. Benevolent. Burnilathe.
Zerg: Sacriarch. Fiend. Rarkschar. Reaper. Xenos.

[Itsmyship]

I'm picky about names. I can't just give any unit any name, the name has to fit the unit imo. For example, I would give the terran a unit called a Praetorian, but I would only give it something in a sort of helicopter/valkyrie type design.

I would give Viking a name like Titan or Centurion.

[kehmdaddy]

My favorite ideas for its name would be Loki (it's mischievous like him! switching back and forth, back and forth) and Manticore (as someone else suggested). Try to think of names that can fit both forms of the unit.

[Itsmyship]

Eh...Loki to me sounds like the name of a harassing unit, not an awesome Starscream-esque mech.

[paragon]

Praetorian is another good one.

[zeratul11]

viking = crusader.

air crusader and ground crusader.

[BaneOfHumanity]

Alternate name for Vikings.. hmm

Dread Wings

Though I like the idea of changing them to thor and changeing the Thors name to something else..

Perhapd Dreadnought

lol they should make the BC transform too lol

[kehmdaddy]

If they call the Thor a dreadnaught, everyone will immediately call shenanigans upon Blizzard because it really is just a complete clone.

[BaneOfHumanity]

If they call the Thor a dreadnaught, everyone will immediately call shenanigans upon Blizzard because it really is just a complete clone.


LOL I know LOL thats kinda why I said it lol

Blizzard rep: "Whatever do you mean...we didnt copy Warhammer 40K" :D

[Remy]

I suggest Griffin for the Viking Fighter, based on what the mythical beast is. Body of a lion(king of beasts on the ground) and head and wings of an eagle(king of birds).

I like the Chimera name for the same reason. The multi-aspect nature of the creature and the unit.

Another one would be Raider, but might suit Reapers better. I don't really like the name of Reapers either to be honest, the name itself is alright but doesn't suit the unit.

Other names I like for Viking Fighter are Fenris and Sentinel. About all the Norse mythology related names, screw Zerg brood names.

I like the name Thor for the Thor unit, but other name that I find equally appealing are Behemoth, Titan, and Juggernaut.

[Itsmyship]

Sentinel is a good name for Viking. Although I'm still quite partial to calling it Centurion. Roman terms make some of the best names.

At the same time, I also wonder if Blizz would look into not giving them certain character/creature/god name but maybe even like Terran names, especially for aircraft. For example, how Messerschmidt wasn't a creature or how MIG was just the initials of the designers. I personally find that interesting, but then again thats just me.

[Fenix]

I like the Sentinel idea a lot.

On the Norse myth stuff, I spent like half the year in English learning it in 11th grade, so I think I know a little bit. So, here's my two cents. No one else will go for this, but I like it. Change the "Thor" to "Jotun," which, in Norse myths, is the race of giants. It fits the whole "massive instrument of destruction" and change the "Viking Fighter" to "Mjolnir," which is Thor's hammer.


Wanna know something funny? Everyone associates the Terrans with Norse stuff, but the Zerg have the Jörmungandr Brood, and a hero Overlord named Yggdrasil. Jörmungandr is the World Serpent, eating its tail to create the boundaries of existence (He and Thor kill each other eventually), and Yggdrasil is the World Tree, where all life exists.

[Itsmyship]

Haha, I learned most of Norse mythology in a book at Barnes and Noble, but I forgot a lot of it :P

Thor looks like an Odin to me. However, im not a big fan of giving the Terran norse names, just kinda sounds odd on them to me.

My personal forte is on Greek myth....however, I still have believe Roman/Greek names make some of the best ones out there. I still like my idea of not giving them creature/myth/such and such names though and just kinda going with certain names, like i explained above...or maybe im just spamming my idea, sorry if i did :P

[Remy]

I actually don't mind Jotun at all, it looks(as opposed to sounds) pretty good. But how is it properly pronounced?

Jote'n, Joe-Toon, Joe-Tuhn, Jauh-Toon, Jauh-Tuhn...

I think it's main advantage over Thor is that it's two syllables. Although I like the name Thor, Terran Thor doesn't sound too comfy just yet.

[Fenix]

I think it's "YO-tun" but I could be wrong.

That's the biggest problem with Norse stuff. I have no freaking idea how to pronounce Mjolnir

[Remy]

OMG it's a swarm of Mew-Joe-Lay-Ners coming this way!!

If it's anything like Yote'n like I imagine what it is that you meant, then it sounds pretty good to me.

[Itsmyship]

I think its said May-yol-ner. However, i think Meh-jol-ner sound cooler to me

[Fenix]

I looked it up on Wiki to find a pronunciation. Freaking worthless. [mjolnər] is what it said.

LAAAAAAME


EDIT: dictionary.com was waaay more useful. They said "myawl-nir" I think the "yawl" bit sounds like y'all type thing.

Mmm y'all near. I think it sounds better if you have oatmeal in your mouth.


EDIT OF THE EDIT: Jotun is "yaw-toon". I liked mine better.

[Outcaster]

How about Striders for a name??

[TEDurden]

Haha nice post fenix. Norse mythology is basically awesome. Sentinel is a pretty sweet name for the viking though, but if you wanted to keep woth a Norse theme, maybe call it Heimdall or Einherjar? Heimdall is the Norse god who guards Asgard, the realm of the gods, and the Einherjar are Odin's warriors in Valhalla. For Thor, I would go Greek and rename him the Atlas. Atlas is a Greek immortal who holds up the earth.

[Remy]

LOL funny Fenix.

How about Terran Vanguard?

[Fenix]

Haha nice post fenix. Norse mythology is basically awesome. Sentinel is a pretty sweet name for the viking though, but if you wanted to keep woth a Norse theme, maybe call it Heimdall or Einherjar? Heimdall is the Norse god who guards Asgard, the realm of the gods, and the Einherjar are Odin's warriors in Valhalla. For Thor, I would go Greek and rename him the Atlas. Atlas is a Greek immortal who holds up the earth.


Yeah, but can you imagine "OMG help!! I'm being Einherjar rushed!!" Heimdall would be cool, but since it's an actual god, it would have to be a hero unit or super weapon...So, it'd work for the Thor

[GuiMontag]

hmm, so i havnt seen any names as good as viking, mabe its harder to please everyone than you think :P
how about: warhound :P

[Remy]

How about thing from the nature?

Hurricane, Tornado, Storm, Thunder, Nova, Pulsar, Meteor, Eclipse, etc.

[TEDurden]

Nature doesnt really fit w/ the terrans whole gritty tech atmosphere. How about Mechanical Hounds instead of warhounds?

[Fenix]

Nature seems to be more the Protoss bag at the moment.


Isn't Mechanical Hounds a video game?

[Remy]

I don't know if I've said this elsewhere but since Terran already has names like Ghost and Wraith, I would like the Banshee to be called Phantom instead, since it has cloak.

I don't like the name Banshee, it reminds me of that ugly old hag with cray hair or the gay super hero from the comic.

[TEDurden]

Chromehounds is a video game like Mechwarrior. Mechcanical Hounds are freaky robots used by the govt to euthanize people in Fahrenheit 451.

[L89]

Exvasion said, "What about Shiva? Wasn't that a god/goddess that could change forms and also the god of destruction?"

Since South Koreans pretty much is the target market, naming it Shiva is not really that good since it sounds too similar to one of their swearwords.

As for a new name, I'm not in my creativity mood at the moment so I'll just be a supporter.
Vanguard, Sentinel and Archangel all sound cool for Terran units.

[Remy]

LOL, yea good point on Shiva.  I didn't think about it before, but so true now that you pointed it out.

Younger players at internet cafes are guaranteed to call them by the swear word instead.

[Major Willy]

I kind of like Viking but it doesn't sound great.

Terran Pegasus. (Flies and "tramples" when on ground)
Terran Lochness. (For giggles)
Terran Sasquatch. (It seems bigger and chunkier than the Goliath)
Terran Cyclops. (It can only do one thing at a time, one eye. Hur hur?)
Terran Naga. (Sea and land, but with the Viking, air and land)
Terran Wendigo. (Kind of the same reason as Sasquatch)
Terran Leprechaun. (No idea why)

[Gah345]

Come on sentinel is perfect

definition:
sen·ti·nel /?s?ntnl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sen-tn-l] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -neled, -nel·ing or (especially British) -nelled, -nel·ling.
–noun

1. a person or thing that watches or stands as if watching.
2. a soldier stationed as a guard to challenge all comers and prevent a surprise attack: to stand sentinel.
–verb (used with object) 4. to watch over or guard as a sentinel.

[GuiMontag]

sentinel has been overused...

[Gah345]

all i can think of is

matrix sentinel
and 007 nightfire guided missile launcher

[GuiMontag]

dawn of war, warcraft3

[Gah345]

i dont have those games sry

[Itsmyship]

Most good names have already been overused anyway. I personally like Sentinel. Not feeling the whole nature thing though. And as for the god names, if you're going to use god names, Greaco/Roman and Norse names are the only ones that really fit.

[ArchLimit]

Terran Pegasus. (Flies and "tramples" when on ground)
Terran Naga. (Sea and land, but with the Viking, air and land)

I like those two names, Major Willy. Though the Naga MIGHT be a tad off because of the Xel'Naga.

Plus I always liked "Pegasus." No... I didn't watch all the My Little Ponies episodes back to back as a little kid... or as an adult...

*Scurries off*

[Remy]

I like the name Sentinel, but when Viking was revealed I imagined offensive applications and raiding as opposed to defense and standing guard. It's for the exact opposite reason that I came up with Vanguard.

Vanguard (as defined by the Merriam-Webster dictionary)

1. the troops moving at the head of an army
2. the forefront of an action or movement

[coalescence]

I don't think that names like Leviathan and Kraken (and Behemoth to complete the 3 kings of beasts list) would fit with such a unit, those names would be better with giant units like the Thor or Mothership!

On another note, quite funny that both a zerg brood and a Tyranid (from 40k) brood are called Leviathan.

[Fenix]

Chromehounds is a video game like Mechwarrior. Mechcanical Hounds are freaky robots used by the govt to euthanize people in Fahrenheit 451.


Good book.


To the Vanguard thing.
Freaking awesome sounding name, but in definition, it doesn't work. I never led my attack with Goliaths and Valkyries.

[Remy]

Fenix is that you buddy?  Why, I see that you got a name makeover, nice new do LOL.

I see your point on goliath, but goliath never had an air form two-in-one either, nor did it have gatling guns for respectable ground damage versus lesser units.  I think Vikings would be pretty good at raiding bases as well as mowing down swarms of lings/marines(possibly even zealots) while tanks provide support firepower from the rear.

Depending on the actual capabilities of the Viking air form, it would now also be your only Terran air unit viable for ovie hunting strats, barring the introduction of another ATA unit.  Of course assuming ovies are back, otherwise something similar.

While I believe Viking to be the direct replacement of goliath and valkyrie, due to it's new found mobility and tactical options, I don't think it will just be filling the role of the goliath.  I think Viking will be way more than what goliath was, over and beyond to say the least.

[Major Willy]

And I am DEATH PONYYYYY.

I wouldn't be surprised seeing the Viking taking down All Protoss ground but Colossus (unless in air form), Archon, and Reaver.

[ArchLimit]

I don't think that names like Leviathan and Kraken (and Behemoth to complete the 3 kings of beasts list) would fit with such a unit, those names would be better with giant units like the Thor or Mothership!

On another note, quite funny that both a zerg brood and a Tyranid (from 40k) brood are called Leviathan.


I really like Leviathan for the Thor. Not a big fan of Thor.



I wouldn't be surprised seeing the Viking taking down All Protoss ground but Colossus (unless in air form), Archon, and Reaver.


That's a really interesting point, Major Willy. Do what you gotta do to take out most ground units in Viking walk form and then lift when you're up against the Colossus. God, all these possibilities/units make the Colossus seem so weak...

[Major Willy]

When your Vikings liftoff into air form bring in some Cobras to clean up what's left of the army protecting the Colossals.

[Major Willy]

Warp Rays I think wouldn't do that well VS Vikings since they seem like a medium class unit.

[Remy]

I don't think we know about the cost of colossus or any of the Terran units.

Colossus and warpray combo is far from unstoppable. Some mutas will make short work of both, just take out the warprays first. Then you can say phoenix for muta counter, yada yada. Then you should soon realize that you are bringing in more and more units into the picture, and how a balanced mix of units will be the best everything has a counter. No one or two unit types are really unstoppable.

[Itsmyship]

I think the thing with Viking is that you can't use it to its full advantage unless you know how to micro. With these two abilities, it seems unstoppable, but in the end it comes down to the player. If someone who didn't know how to micro was using Viking, I'm sure a descent force of Mutas could take them down easily or maybe even say 3 to 4 archons.

[Fenix]

No one or two unit types are really unstoppable.


*Assuming MC is still in*

MC an SCV, then build a Thor and a Mothership. I'm thinking that'll be nigh unstoppable barring Lockdown and a Nuke.



For all we know, the Viking could have crap HP, say 120.

[Gah345]

yeah theres no real solid answers until we know all the units HPs, shields, damages and abilities

even the THOR as others have said, it could be really slow or have long cooldowns for its weapons

its all speculation

[paragon]

Just feint an attack with all ground units against vikings so they go to ground mode and if it has a cooldown pull your ground out and bring in air to wipe them up while the cooldown is still in effect.

Oh an Raptor is still the best name for it. It's a land dinosaur and a bird of prey (falcons, hawks, eagles, etc...) Land AND Air... ZOMG.

[proswimma]

haha paragon i like your idea

[JudicatorPrime]

Call it the Transformatron 2050 version 3.0 now compatible with Windows 4000

[ZiiDriX]

Lets call it ZiiDriX because its so good. Sorry. :D

[Dxun]

Paragon thats the best name ive seen so far,Raptor ftw :powerup:


Unless of course Zerg already have a Raptorling, Raptorlisk ;)

[zeratul11]

raptors sounds great but if you want to change the name of viking into raptors then the model should also be change. raptors doesn't fit the look of the current model, it should look sharp on the edges and narrow or slim, and not bulky and large.

[Itsmyship]

I like Raptor. I still like Sentinel and Praetorian though.

Or MIG 78!!!!!! :P

[TEDurden]

They should call it the Maverick and have all the quotes be spoofed from Top Gun :P

[Itsmyship]

Haha, I would get a kick out of that TED :P

[Major Willy]

Terran Matt Damon

And no matter what you do, click, move, attack, hold position, it's always, "MAAATT DAAMOON."

[burkid]

Just feint an attack with all ground units against vikings so they go to ground mode and if it has a cooldown pull your ground out and bring in air to wipe them up while the cooldown is still in effect.

the problem with that is according to the new article, vikings have an air and ground attack in mech form. the air attack is probably relativly weak in mech though

[Hadean]

Hoplite. expl: It's a heavily armored anti-ground unit that can be redeployed to other area of battle via flight, similar to the heavily armored anti-infantry Hoplite that was frequently redeployed to different areas as the battle required.

Knight. expl: Against healty armored anti-ground unit that can be redeployed via air, a Knight would ride his horse into combat then dismount and make battle.

Cataphract. expl: Similar to the knight with the exclusion of dismounting

Phalanx. expl: The dual chainguns remind me of the Anti-Air / Anti-Missile Defense System on Carriers called the Phalanx. One could surmise that the dual chainguns could be used through a formation as a means of holding an enemy back.

Arch Angel. expl: Warriors of Heaven. They fly, and they fight, they land and they fight, fairly simple.

I'd say Wolverine, but that'd be too much like the Wolverine from Tiberian Sun which bears a striking resemblance to this unit. And thats all I can think of right now.

[BaneOfHumanity]

Anyone say StarScream?....thats a good name for a transforming plane :D

[Exvasion]

Since South Koreans pretty much is the target market, naming it Shiva is not really that good since it sounds too similar to one of their swearwords.


My bad, I didn't know that.

[Gah345]

SENTINEL! ! ! ! its perfect
1)  it sounds mech/machine/robot like

2)  its cool

3)  it has meaning - 
    (soldier stationed as a guard to challenge all comers + prevent a surprise attack / defender / guardian)

I do like raptor too

Shiva nahhh  it may have a fitting meaning, but it doesnt sound right
plus if it is the name of some goddess, if it were the other way around, wouldnt a unit called JESUS, ALLAH, etc sound kinda odd?

(i realize that THOR is the name of a god, but its norse mythology isnt a common religion today, so it is different)

[Major Willy]

These are the old ones I thought of and liked, copied and pasted from page 6, and I have a new one.
Terran Pegasus. (Flies and "tramples" when on ground)
Terran Sasquatch. (It seems bigger and chunkier than the Goliath)
Terran Cyclops. (It can only do one thing at a time, one eye. Hur hur?)
Terran Leprechaun. (No idea why)

I like the concept of a unit being called a Raptor but not the Viking. It seems too bulky of a unit to be called that. I'm not hating on the image. I like the rough and tough mech but Raptor wouldn't fit it.
Terran Predator maybe? It's dangerous and can access both forms of combat, ground and air.

[Remy]

I think Sentinel is the most generally popular name so far. I like Vanguard but I don't think it's too popular. I also agree with a few others that while Raptor is a good name in itself, it doesn't really fit the unit.

I brought this up before, but I really hate the name of Banshee also. It reminds me of the ugly UD caster in WC3 and the lame comic book superhero. The meaning of the word also sucks and doesn't really suit the unit.

Banshee as defined by Merriam-Webster:

"a female spirit in Gaelic folklore whose appearance or wailing warns a family that one of them will soon die."

Banshee as defined by Dictionary.com:

"(in Irish folklore) a spirit in the form of a wailing woman who appears to or is heard by members of a family as a sign that one of them is about to die."

Everything about the name banshee sucks. The meaning fits the ugly hag in WC3, especially the DotA version hero, but not really the new Terran air unit.

I've personally suggested Phantom. I think it goes along with the Wraith name as well as the stealth/cloak ability. But it could be something else, I just really hope we get rid of Banshee. I think the unit is really cool, both in visual design and function, and I think it really deserves a better name.

[Major Willy]

Terran Geist as in Poltergeist. They're harmful ghosts and it fits the Banshee's cloaking ability.

[Itsmyship]

Anyone say StarScream?....thats a good name for a transforming plane :D


Haha, actually I have....everytime I mention Viking I make a reference to Starscream :P

And as for the Banshee....I would've gone with Fortress or Bastion or something of that sort....I don't know, names like that seem to fit an assault helicopter/bomber to me :P

[AdmiralAckbar]

I dont think viking is that bad or wierd of a name, Its not that much different than valkyrie and i like it better than thor because there are multiple vikings only one thor, thors just sounds strange. Also viking was actually used as the name of a probe to jupiter so its not that offbase for earthlings to name a machine viking.

[Nikzad]

in response to Remy, and everyone else who doesn't like the banshee's name (including myself), I've been thinking, and Blizzard hasn't used any big cat names for Terran units. I think black cat or panther fits the look of the banshee, as well as the color

[xasterothx]

ummm....creatures names are for the zergs

lets keep its with norse gods and things

[burkid]

someone mentioned in the cobra thread that there havent been any feline names yet.
Puma FTW!

[Remy]

ummm....creatures names are for the zergs


Vulture was a creature/animal name for Terran. In SC2, Terran has Cobra, another creature name.

On the otherhand, in SC1 Zerg actually has had no units named off of actual creatures/animals, none.

[Major Willy]

Church: Well they've got some sort of jeep thing... kinda looks like a big cat.
Tucker: ...Like a puma?
Church: There you go.

Zerg names were all WTFlisk or ling. Except for Queen, Defiler, and some others.

[GuiMontag]

rename to Sheila :P

[Major Willy]

Terran Big Tank Lady.

[TEDurden]

Church: Well they've got some sort of jeep thing... kinda looks like a big cat.
Tucker: ...Like a puma?
Church: There you go.



haha Red vs Blue is awesome. They should call it the Chupacabra though, and they can use that sarge quote where he says "chupa thingy". or "I only drink the blood of my enemies"

[zeratul11]

Lionheart.

or maybe for another new terran unit. 8)

[Gasmaskguy]

Viking>Sentinel/Crusader/griffin

Thor>Juggernaught/Behemoth

[Gasmaskguy]

hmm... by the way, shouldnt a Terran unit sound great with the name Patriot? Like the Thor?

[BnechbReaker]

Viking: Chimera
Thor: Titan

[Gasmaskguy]

Titan is too used. it fits, but its still boring.

[BnechbReaker]

cyclops? although looks like it has more than one "eye"

[Gasmaskguy]

maybe something defensive like, watcher, defender, protector. guardian would be good if it wherent a flying spider :-D

[Remy]

How about marine animals for Terran unit names? Tiger Shark, Sting Ray, Barracuda, etc. I can't really think of any more badass marine animals right now as unit names.

[MarineCorp]

How about Barricade, since they are robots and they can Transform.... i though it would be a appropriate name for them... since Barricade is from Transformer: the movie (2007) ;D

[BnechbReaker]

how about typhoon or tornado

[DontHate]

a cool one would be maurader... i just love that name. Viking doesn't sound that bad though...

[Matriarch]

I think Leviathan is a good name for the Thor...

[BnechbReaker]

i agree, maurader is a really good name for the viking

[Nikzad]

I like typhoon, and as for sea animals, how about manatee? Jk but hammerhead wouldn't be too bad, although it would need a little modeling to make it look like a hammerhead shark a bit to give it that name

[Gasmaskguy]

Leviathan is kinda good, but since a zerg brood is called that it would be better if a future zerg unit was called that. Leviathan was some kind of really big whale or something right? the nydus worm should be re-named to Leviathan

[Hadean]

After looking at the unit, and the way it works, i'd have to say its a cross between a flying squirrel and a grizzly bear. So uhm. Grizzuirrel?

seriously though. I think Paladin, Cataphract, Hoplite, something else very medieval / archaic like the vikings.

[burkid]

Leviathan was some kind of really big whale or something right?

i think it was a sea dragon from norse mythology.

[Gasmaskguy]

yeah thats it thanx burkid

[Hadean]

in-fact since, the viking says "Have gun, will travel." means his name should be Paladin.

Show in the 50's called Paladin: Have gun, will travel.

[Gasmaskguy]

really? nice find. sooo, either you where born before the 50´s or you learned that through internet.
anyway, paladin is a great name. maybe a little to "pure", and nice for the almost crazy (but cool) voice the Viking pilot has. Marauder and sentinel sound tougher

[Hadean]

The viking voice and choice of words are ****ing retarded. "Looks like the big boy needs a little training" What the **** were they thinking?

[DaygoWop]

How about Optimus Prime ;)

[Hadean]

It's blatantly dwarf mortar team sounding and it just hurts my little starcraft ears.

[Eye_Carumba]

Perhaps they're using viking, as Lost Vikings were a great hit for Blizzard. Just like wizards in warcraft always have the Blizzard spell. It's just free in-game propaganda. ;-)

But it would be very nice thing if Vikings were named Baleog, and Predators, Olaf. lol It would be good for laughs at least.

[Gah345]

How bout SPITFIRE? for the viking

zerg cannot have english names ...creatures included,
then they wouldnt be alienish!!!!!

and id say no to leviathan it was a mythological sea creature
it may sound powerful but is not fitting

MARAUDER sounds cool its like SCAVENGER

[Remy]

Just to point out, Marauder was a one of the two vehicles that you had in the beginning of Rock N' Roll Racing, also a game by Blizzard.  It looked like something in between a SUV and a moster truck.  That was really a great game.

If they chose the Viking name because of The Lost Vikings, Marauder would also be suitable for a similar reason, although it would of course be less obvious.  I've personally never played The Lost Vikings before, but I really loved Rock N' Roll Racing.

[Gasmaskguy]

http://www.blizzard.com/blizzclassic/vikingsdemo.shtml

Remy, try it out :D

[i2new@aol.com]

Titan is the best choice i think! it sounds perfect for the viking

[Remy]

Thanks Gasmaskguy, it was pretty cool. I used to love platform/adventure games the most.

[Joneagle_X]

What about the "Ares"?

You can't use the Chimera because its a dragon and was used in WC3.

I would suggest the Ares because it suggests a relation to the stars and is a mythological creature. It also gives a "machine" feel although the name is used in that old Gundam show as the name of one of the models of their thingies... but I don't think that's prominent enough.

I vote Ares. It fits the unit quite nicely ;)

[Gasmaskguy]

no, it needs to be more like Sentinel, Crusader, Badass or something

[BnechbReaker]

chimera is not a dragon, it's hybrid monster from greek mythology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_%28mythology%29

but the word chimera can also be used to describe any other hybrid creature, which suits the viking quite well as it can transform

[GuiMontag]

what about the siege tank and predator, no love for them? :P

[Joneagle_X]

Dude. Blizzard has already used the unit. I mean that it is A DRAGON IN WC3.

[paragon]

they also used banshee before as a banshee in wc3... that didn't stop them from using it again

[JBL]

Viking: Chimera
Thor: Titan


No way!

Thor is much cooler..

some said stuff about Leviathan, which could be cool.. however Leviathan is a monster from the depths.. kinda like a Kraken or something..... so I guess if they make a starcraft variant it should at least fly..

It's easier to imagine a fly fish than a walking fish.

Thor is too cool for school.

and I think Viking is just fine..

[Eye_Carumba]

And I also think it relates to their functionality: the Vikings were raiders. These Vikings can raid a base as well. They land on the enemy base, make their mess, destroy their defenses and escape through the air again! So 'vikinish'! lol, joking. Anyway, perhaps it does make some sense, being serious this time.

[Smokiehunter]

vikings fits the theme the terrans are going for.

[Joneagle_X]

It IS the Viking. We're looking for a new name....

Anyway, the Banshee is a bit different in that a Banshee is a Banshee. In WC3 the name was a literal description. In SC2 its a unit name..........

The Chimera lends nothing to the Viking fighter. If the Viking used fire or a chemical in its attack, I would see it being a decent name. It's also too long.

I thought Ares would've been good because it has that relation to "Transformers." Not directly, but in a way since it was from Gundam and it could be "transformed."

[paragon]

Viking is fine.
Raptor is better but viking is fine.

[hillzagold]

i liekd teh name viking.

What about the name 'Horseman'?

[MarineCorp]

Viking sounds good....yeah..it does... Raptor sounds nice as well... but not as cool as Viking ha ha ^_^

[Joneagle_X]

You guys might as well just call it the flying condom and get it over with.

[Gasmaskguy]

I dont see the likeness between a flying condom and a minigun-wielding mech with transforming capabilities...

[slugonice]

Lets stick with VIKING

[BnechbReaker]

Anyway, the Banshee is a bit different in that a Banshee is a Banshee. In WC3 the name was a literal description. In SC2 its a unit name..........
sorry, exactly how is the banshee different?


The Chimera lends nothing to the Viking fighter. If the Viking used fire or a chemical in its attack, I would see it being a decent name.
chimera is a English word used to describe hybrid creatures, and the Viking fighter, as it is currently known, has hybrid functions.

It's also too long.
?? that's just random....

what i was trying to point out is that the term chimera in it's original meaning is not a dragon and not what it looks like in wc3, however it's usage in wc3 can be justified since it had 2 heads, making to a hybrid creature.

and dude, it's only a suggestion, you are welcome to say you don't like it, but there's no need to give reasons that simply don't make any sense.

[Eye_Carumba]

chimera is a English word used to describe hybrid creatures, and the Viking fighter, as it is currently known, has hybrid functions.

Chimera is a Greek word, as Chimera is the name of a creature in Greek mythology. She was hybrid to represent frustration, that was supposed to be beaten by the hero Belerofonte. I don't want frustration as a unit. Viking raiders looks more suitable to mech-warriors to me.

[BnechbReaker]

@Eye_Carumba:

chimera is indeed originated from Greece so your are correct, that's what i've been trying to tell Joneagle_X.

however it's now also a English word (like Typhoon wasn't originate in english) and one of its uses is to describe hybrid creatures. e.g. the mule can be descibed as a chimera as it's the offspring between a horse and a donkey

[Eye_Carumba]

Ok, sry for correcting you again, but a chimera is the merging of two different bodies into one, a mule is still a hybrid. When you have two twins, and in the womb they get fused and generate a single body, that's a chimera.

There are several chimeras among us, like ppl with two different eye colors, and even more rare, with diferent skin colors in the same person. But when this happens with identical twins, or very close resembling brothers, it goes by unnoticed. You could be a Chimera and not know about it. And depending of what part of the body belongs to which brother, you could have kids that are yours and still don't resemble you at all.

Also, don't confuse it with polyalelic genes, which can in a lame example, give a blond person a red colored pubic hair. This person would still be the same, but with different phenotypes being presented. That happens because hair color might be given by different sets of genes.

[Joneagle_X]

How about you stop giving random reasons for defending the name Chimera repeatedly?

It won't work. It's from another Blizzard game. The name sucks. It's too long. Period.

Besides, a hybrid implies the qualities of two units, not just the quality of BEING two units.

Just find two Viking names that fit after "Viking" and apply them to air and ground forms.

"Viking Raider (ground)" and "Viking _____"

Calling it the Chimera is gay, don't mention it again.

EDIT: This post has become of paramount importance to Paragon. God forbid if I say something on a bad day ;).

[Eye_Carumba]

Wow, I totally disagree with you, Joneagle_X. Chimera is a cool name, and it's not longer than Viking. The only reason I think it's not good is because the Viking name has a better relationship with the unit. If it's meaning had a good relation to what the Vikings do, then it would be an option. They're not random arguments, or don't seem like that at all. It seems to me like he really thought it through, differently from you and your reply.

[Joneagle_X]

Who, Reaker? Who suggested that Chimera is suddenly an English word? It's always been Greek. Just because it can be related in English doesn't mean its an English word.

Also, he claimed my arguments were random. I was just applying his term to his own argument as mine have just as much credence as his do. If not more, since I'm not citing false facts.

Never assume that my arguments aren't well-thought out. I've seen quite a few of your posts that don't hold up to that standard. Think about that before you claim that about my posts.

[GrahamTastic]

Pegasus would make sense, since it is a horse with wings. It doesn't really sound right for the Viking though.

Lol...Baba Yaga...

[Joneagle_X]

I haven't seen too many good ideas for names on this thread, myself included, but notice I didn't press my name for an extended number of posts.

For some reason the Banshee fits the unit. Reminds me of an attack helicopter, which is pretty much what it is. The other names just don't fit the Viking.

[hillzagold]

how about we call it the Whirlwind? a threat to both land and air

[Joneagle_X]

I actually like that approach. I still don't apply the name to the unit though. But I like the line of thought.

Maybe something more with that idea along the "storm" lines....

The Protoss Tempest is the same thing... its synonymous with a Blizzard....

I'm thinking:

Mirage, Specter, Bandit(its a raider, isn't it?)

Or if you go with the Norse theme:

Volga or Volrag (Volrag was the Russian name for the Vikings, it means "the enemy")

[Eye_Carumba]

You guys can argue as much as you want. I'm still against saying someone should stop debating, or trying to impose their opinion on others. No one's opinion matters more than other's. Saying "the name sucks, period, stop trying cuz your idea sucks", is very different from debating. There's no way I would approve that.

And it indeed sounded like a "shut up" to me. An order to "stop trying" is imposing your opinion in my vocabulary.

[Major Willy]

Oooh Volrag. I like that one.

Rolls of my tongue.

[Joneagle_X]

I never said to stop debating. I was implying the point is moot and it has been defended over almost an entire page. No other posters have rallied to its standard. I'm regretful it turned into the situation that it did, especially your inability to correctly interpret my OPINIONS in relation to someone else's. I was also defending my earlier post which he claimed was "random" which to me implies he is saying my post is unsubstantiated.

Once again I think you may have failed to read the rest of this thread.

EDIT: Thanks Willy ;)

[hillzagold]

You guys can argue as much as you want. I'm still against saying someone should stop debating, or trying to impose their opinion on others. No one's opinion matters more than other's. Saying "the name sucks, period, stop trying cuz your idea sucks", is very different from debating. There's no way I would approve that.

And it indeed sounded like a "shut up" to me. An order to "stop trying" is imposing your opinion in my vocabulary.
NO U



...volrag? not everybody would know what that means...i mean, even fenrir beats out volrag in poeople knowing what it means.

[Joneagle_X]

Lol fine with me... although I'm not sure people really need to know the meaning of a unit's name.

If you think it won't work, that's cool :D Just a suggestion.

[Major Willy]

If I could roll my R's right now I'd probably be driving everyone under this roof insane.
Volrrrrrrag.
Volrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaagggg.

[Joneagle_X]

lol It makes me think of a giant monster.

Kinda like Kraken, cept it has a better meaning and to me fits the Viking theme as well as the unit's ability.

Since the Vikings themselves were Raiders, and this unit is a Raider, using an alias for the title Viking seems perfect.

[BnechbReaker]

oh man, you totally don't get it do you Joneagle_X,..

the argument is not about whether chimera is a good name for the viking,
it's a suggestion and I've never argued afterwards whether chimera it's a good name or otherwise.

my point was against you for making illogical arguments against the name.
we all know you don't like the name, that's absolutely fine, you are entitled to your own opinions. however if you can't state any valid reasons why it's a bad name then you don't have too... you don't have to give random crap like:

"the chimera is a dragon"
no, it is not, and how is that fact relevant anyway?

"the word chimera is too long"
wtf?? it's 7 letters, i guess your forum name is crap then because it's too long.

"chimera is used in wc3... but the bashee is ok coz it's different"
explain how is it different.

"yeah the chimera is a Greek word, it's not a English word"
check the dictionary, or better wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics))

they are not valid arguments

[Nikzad]

everyone take it down a notch, let's keep it civilized

and these sorts of things:

It won't work. It's from another Blizzard game. The name sucks. It's too long. Period.
...
Calling it the Chimera is gay, don't mention it again.



oh man, you totally don't get it do you Joneagle_X,..


are neither appreciated, nor recommended. Minor word choice can make the difference between healthy debate and instigation of flame wars. The bolded sections of the quote are the unnecessary parts that you gotta watch out for in your posts, and this goes FOR EVERYBODY.

[BnechbReaker]

i get what you are saying Nikzad, i only included the bold part so people know who i'm talking to.. guess i could have done it another way

[Nikzad]

oh its fine that you used his name, but if you take out his name, it reads "you totally don't get it, do you?" which can be a little aggressive; i usually use the "@ Username" method

sorry if I seem overbearing, I don't want to act like your mom, it's all in the interest of the forum atmosphere

thanks for hearing me out

[Joneagle_X]

Mrs. Nikzad, I want a cookie! How about some lemonade or a bandaid from my booboo that the mean Reaker gave me?

Anyway, Reaker I backed up everything I said in my posts.

Furthermore, I did my own research on wiki about the Greek derivative of the word Chimera. It is synonymous with Chimaera. If you wanted to spell it that way, it might better fit the meaning you're looking for. Just because it is a word in English does not mean it is an English word. It's just derived from another word.

Typhoon is not an English word but we still use it in daily speech. A word can have a meaning in the English language and still not be an English word. In fact, the word Chimera or Chimaera is actually derived from a number of languages, not just Latin (Greek). But thanks for assuming again. ;)

Anyway, the difference between using the name Banshee in WC3 and then in Starcraft and using Chimera and then using it in Starcraft again is that in WC3 the "Banshee" couldn't have been called anything else. It was the definition of a Banshee. In Starcraft 3 it is totally different from a Banshee but uses its namesake. In WC3 the Chimera is a Dragon, a two-headed dragon. Using its name is not the same as using the Banshee in both games.

On that note, when I said "The Chimera is a Dragon" in my earlier post, I was referring to the fact that it is a Dragon in WC3. Not necessarily in real life (or the land of mythology, where you may like to travel).

But thank you for your not-quite-poignant argument.

EDIT: And Reaker, I apologize for being so crude in my language. I didn't mean offense other than your stagnant defense of the idea for longer than 1-2 posts when no one came to its aid.

[Nikzad]

Joneagle_X watch what you say or I will give you something to cry about

I'm trying to make the forum a better place

NOW TAKE THESE F***ING MILK AND COOKIES AND SHUT THE F*** UP

[Joneagle_X]

Ooo Cookies!

Nik, you couldn't even clean up your own room, let alone the forums ;)

Much lube.

[Gasmaskguy]

Stop hating, start fckn

[Sikhye23]

i suggested the "centurion" in a different post, it seems like an imposing name that fits the role of the viking with its Gatling guns and missiles. It looks heavily armored too anyways.

[pro]

why are they renaming units for confusion

[Gah345]

god you guys get a life

fighting over the name of a unit in a game

i agree with Nikzad there are more important things in life ... I understand that you guys want to back up your ideas and opinions but that doesnt mean you have to reject others

it is very possible that the name may not be changed
i mean they already show it as the viking on the main site!

the forums are supposed to be a place to share ideas, not fight over them

[hillzagold]

pacifist twit. you talk about sharing ideas, but you wont let them express themselves through verbal kombat?

centurion has a nice sound to it, actually.
how about horseman or harbinger?

[Gah345]

It won't work. It's from another Blizzard game. The name sucks. It's too long. Period.
...
Calling it the Chimera is gay, don't mention it again.



express thmselves through verbal kombat?

debating is fine but you dont have to flat out call peoples ideas gay and worthless

[ItzaHexGor]

Hey guys.... I just thought of an AWESOME name for the Viking... It's Viking!
I've just read through all of the posts and I am SHOCKED that no-one started saying that Viking was a great name unit page 10 or 11 or something.
The first time I heard this name, I loved it! It makes perfect sense, the Vikings(both the people and the unit) being raiders, and it links to the Thor nicely (which also should most definitely NOT be renamed).
The only other name that has stood out for me has been Volrag, but it's definitely still second to Viking.
And as for all the other names being debated, just leave them as they are! It's not like any of the names have been horrible so far, and if you think that some names are horrible, you'll soon grow to like them.

[Ensomgrav]

heres the best replacement name for the thor.

LIONHEART.. or maybe a name of a new terran unit. anyway i like it even though it sounds more like a skill or spell. 8)

here are others.

crusader = viking
scavenger = vulture.
iron sphere = a new vehicle unit that create temporary area of effect shields for defense.
stormcrow = new terran air unit that fires chain lightning damage.
spiral bomber = air unit.
tornado = air unit
assassin = sniper type unit.
elite ghost = ghost
cyborg = terran unit that uses samurai as its weapon.
apache = terran high tech helicopter.
metal gear = super unit.
captain planet - go planet.

and

spongebob = special type terran unit that cleans up dead bodies and bloods spills of terran units.


its hard to give good names. :-\

YUSSSSSSS!!! terrans should have metal gear, and solid snake too as a ghost hero ,

[SOGEKING]

new name for the Viking : the Pirate !

I notice that Blizzard likes to give names to their units which refers to the Scandinavian legends.
We got the Viking, the Valkyries, and there are other names like Odin (Adun seems near that name), Siegfried, Haggen, Nibelung, Why not the drakkar ? yes, this unit is not a ship.

I also thought to the Terran GRIFFON in replacement for the Viking.

[Flesh]

I don't understand this. I mean, Im not a particular fan of this unit (design is too cartoonish), but the name Viking fits the units role perfectly AND it sounds good. As pointed out before, Vikings were raiders. They come in ships, in sc2 they come in their flying form. Then they get out of their ships and procede to pillage on foot, in sc2 they transform into walker form and proced to pillage on foot. Can I explain this any simpler?

So, you see, not one name that was suggested here describes to role of this new Terran unit as well as the name Viking. I mean, why name it Centurion? Does he have a group of men under his command? Not to mention names like chimera or shiwa. The only one that remotely makes sense is Marauder (that was the name of Terran Marine in SC1 beta), But Viking sounds better than Marauder and it fits with other Norse names that Terrans are currently using,
Simply put, I think this is a very good name - it fits the units role and it has a nice sound to it - and it will catch on

[Ensomgrav]

gryphon would be an amazing name, yea i know they're actual units in wc3 . but think about it.

[Quanta]

Querey, what is wrong with the name Viking?

[ItzaHexGor]

@ Flesh:
Great Post! :powerup: Couldn't have put it better myself! Viking is a great name and definitely should NOT be changed.

@ Ensomgrav:
Read the Forum Rules...
RULE No.8 DO NOT DOUBLE POST
There is an Edit button where you can edit your last post to add things. Posting consecutively is not permitted, and will result in mineral penalties. The only exception is when a member cannot edit their last post due to a Moderator's edit. In that case the member is permitted to make a new post only if it is constructive.
And
RULE No.10 DO NOT QUOTE MORE THAN YOU TYPE
Users that constantly quote text just to get minerals will end up losing a lot lot more when they get penalized. Do not quote large amounts of text. If you need to quote, delete all the parts of the quote that are unnecessary. You do not need to quote multiple quotes within quotes withing quotes. Just quote the last person and edit out everything else. Over quoting will result in mineral penalties.
(I think that speaks for itself.)

[BloodHawk]

Thor is far too unoriginal. I don't see why the name has to come from mythology that has probably been long forgotten by the Terran race. Battle Cruiser, Siege Tank; those are good names. Feels like there's too much Norse **** in games nowadays anyways.

Viking is horrendous. Maybe if it turned into a ****ing boat that name would work. So far I like Raptor and Hoplite. Both of those make sense of the air/ground transform.
Other ideas:
Meta Fighter (As in metamorphis)
Para Fighter (As in paratrooper)

Since the banshee thing came up; yeah phantom is better. I would much prefer poltergeist though. Those are purely malicious spirits and a word that you don't hear quite as commonly in games.

[ItzaHexGor]

Leave the names as they are. I would much rather a team that has a central theme for their names that one comprised of all of the crap that people are spewing out here. Viking, Thor, Banshee, Predator, Battlecruiser, Siege Tank, Marine, Reaper, Cobra and Ghost are all fine names that should definitely not be changed.

[GuiMontag]

/signed :P

there haven't been any names that are original, work for the unit and sound good.

[Inpox]

I like all the current names, as said above we must keep as much originality as possible and it must also fit the unit, we just have to worry about the zerg names now

[BnechbReaker]

we just have to worry about the zerg names now


well stick pretty much anything **ra **ro or **ta in front of lisk and you've got yourself a decent zerg name

feralisk, terolisk, xitalisk...

[ItzaHexGor]

LOL! Too true! However if it's a small unit type you'll have to use the suffix 'ling'. I would love to see a whole lot more 'lings' in StarCraft2. All the other races are getting much larger units, like the Thor or the Mothership, so I reckon that Zerg should go against the norm and develop more small units.

[Inpox]

i would like a zerg named overpowredomfgieatyourbabieslisk

[ItzaHexGor]

But that doesn't follow the previously stated Zerg name generator. The prefix has to end in -'ra', -'ro' or -'ta', not -'babies'! Also I find it hard to see who would name something like that! LOL! I can only imagine:
*some scientist runs into a lab*
"Hey guys! I just received contact from a new lifeform! It's main role seems to be sheer intimidation, to destory the enemy's morale!"
"Perhaps it could be named the Fearalisk! Or maybe the Terrolisk?"
"Nah, I've already thought of the name.... It's gonna be the overpowredomfgieatyourbabieslisk! Like it? It seems to just roll of the tongue dontcha think?"
*scientist gets fired*
This would be a great idea for that Short Story Competition atm! lol

[BnechbReaker]

hey Itza do i get my name on your sig for the donation ;D

[ItzaHexGor]

Sorry... Hadn't updated the names in a while.... Just a sec, I'll do it right away!

[Inpox]

shall we submit that story togheter shall we ? :P

[ItzaHexGor]

LOL! Perhaps if they had a separate joke competition (I think in all seriousness that there's a comin contest), it'd work. Hard to make a short story about a guy who gave an unreasonably long name to a new species. But then again, there isn't a minimum word limit!

[Inpox]

okay, let me just change the name..

lets use poweroverwhelmingomfglolroflmaoipwnyouallandallyou rbasearebelongtomeandieatyourbabiesandimwaytogoodf oryouloliroxxoryoursoxxorz


and they will not stand a chance against our combined might

[ItzaHexGor]

LOL! You forgot to have -lisk or -ling on the end of the name! Unless it's going to be a Terran or Protoss unit it NEEDS -lisk or -ling!
poweroverwhelmingomfglolroflmaoipwnyouallandallyou rbasearebelongtomeandieatyourbabiesandimwaytogoodf oryouloliroxxoryoursoxxorlisk?
-lisk would probably work a bit better. -ling is for small units. I find it extremely hard to picture a unit with that name being small enough to be able to acquire the suffix of 'ling! :P

[BnechbReaker]

how about creepling for small defensive creatures that live on the creep... or
spawnling which pops out when a spawnlisk dies lol

[Hadean]

Wooo for resurrecting dead threads / going offtopic.

I still stand by the name Hoplite. Thats just ballin. Or call it the Icarus. For those of you who arent educated, type Icarus into wikipedia. <3

[BnechbReaker]

icarus does make sense considering the viking's transformation, originally icarus can't fly just like the vikings, then he attach wings to himself and gain the ability to fly, like the vikings. finally his wings melts and he falls to the ground, like the vikings when they transform back to ground mode. my only problem is that name itself sound soft and weak, not like the tough viking raiders

[Hadean]

the viking isn't exactly tough bro. Its got less hp than the Gol.

[BnechbReaker]

i mean the name "viking" seems tougher than "icarus". icarus sounds like a feeble intellect's name

[DontHate]

icarus accually sounds pretty neat, and it makes by far the most sence. The vikings can't fly and the sc2 vikings are also weak and feeble, compared to other units.

[Hadean]

Dude wasn't necessarily only an intellectual. he aspired to fly among the gods, just as the Viking aspires to take over both the Wraith and the Gol's jobs for the terran, which imo were the two gods of Terran Anti-Air.

[ItzaHexGor]

Vikings are not taking over the Wraith's role. The Wraith unit has pretty much been scrapped in StarCraft2, and people will not use the Viking to fill its air-to-air role. The Predator is pretty much set to be the main air-to-air fighter ship for Terran. From what I can tell, the Viking has very weak air-to-air capabilities, and its flight form will only really be used as a travel form, enabling it to raid bases easily.

EDIT: Groups of Vikings (in flight form) are great at taking out large enemy ships. Predators are great at taking out groups of weaker ships, making them similar (not the same!) to Valkyries. This could make Terran vs Terran air battles very interesting!

[Remy]

Actually, viking air does replace wraith AA.

[Hadean]

Hex, you've been on the forums for like a week so I guess you have an excuse, but ignorance is not bliss in this case. Dont say **** about units if you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about. The predator is in no way shape or form (as it's been shown so far) going to be meant for fulfilling an AA role. It's a flying caster with a minor attack.

They've said several times, even in the viking description. The viking is the replacement to the Gol and the Wraith.

[ItzaHexGor]

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Predator

Read it and weep... And I'll emphasize these phrases:
"It appears to be analogous in unit balance to the Valkyrie Frigate of StarCraft: Brood War. It fires multiple weapons, making it powerful against groups of weaker ships but weak against heavily-armored ships like the battlecruiser."
"It is also to be the basic air combat unit for the Terran faction."
"The Predator can only engage enemy air targets, and is defenseless against hostile ground forces. "
Sounds pretty air-to-air based to me! No one unit has replaced the Wraith. It has been scrapped and its role is now shared across multiple units.

[BnechbReaker]

the predator's air weapon replaces that of the valkyrie (low damage multiple attack) the viking's air weapon replaces that of the wraith (twin missile high damage)

the viking will be good against capital ships but bad against small flyers like the muta, just as the wraiths
the predator will be good against mass muta but bad against capital ships, just like the valkyries

[ItzaHexGor]

A pure Air-to-Air fighter ship (Viking in flight form) cannot be the single replacement to a fighter ship that had both an Air-to-Air attack and an Air-to-Ground attack. The Viking is not the Wraiths replacement. The Wraiths' role has been spread over multiple units.

[BnechbReaker]

wraith air to ground attack was weak, the viking can transform into ground mode to attack ground, and don't say transforming takes time so viking will be worse than wraith at attacking ground because the wraith's ground attack had a terrible cool down, the viking's ground attack will not only fire faster, it will also do double damage against armor. also the viking has 5 more hp :P

[Remy]

The Wraith unit has pretty much been scrapped in StarCraft2, and people will not use the Viking to fill its air-to-air role.


Wrong, that's exactly what people will do.  No matter how much you want to argue, viking air form is a direct replacement for wraith AA.  Wraith AG pew-pew was pathetic, viking would actually be more useful all-around despite the need to transform.

I can go into detail explaining SC air balance model and each unit's designate role, the way Blizzard designed and explains it. Even based on that, viking air form is the wraith replacement.  But you should just go read the Units That Sucked thread.  I've already explained why valks sucked, which is why wraith is the prevalent Terran air based AA.  What replaces wraith AA is what really matters, but it just so happens that the unit that take on that job also more than fulfill wraith's AG aspect.  Viking is wraith and goliath two-in-one, it's that simple.

Just out of curiosity, do you actually believe that the four War3 races were not the same?  The kind of logic that you ride on wouldn't surprise me if that's what you thought.

[ItzaHexGor]

I'm not talking about the damages of each of these units attacks... I'm talking about the role that the unit will fill. The Viking in flight form will not fill the role of the Wraith for several reasons. First of all the Viking has not Air-to-Ground attack. No matter how weak the Wraiths' Air-to-Ground attack was, it was still able to defend itself from opposing ground units whilst still flying. The Viking has to convert to a walker form to attack ground units and can then be hit by Ground-to-Ground attacks. This was not the case for Wraiths. Secondly the Wraith could use Cloak. The Viking does not have this ability. In StarCraft2 the Banshee has the Cloaking ability, as well as having an Air-to-Ground attack. This is what I mean when I said that the Wraiths' role has been split across multiple units. Its ground attack and cloak have gone to the Banshee and its Air-to-Air capabilities have been given to the Viking and Predator.

[BloodHawk]

i would say everyone here has fair points. However strictly speaking about Wraith's AA ( which I do believe is what those last few posts were about) the Viking does take over for the Wraith in that regard.

Back to topic,
Icarus sounds....alright...yet since his wings melt when he gets too close to the sun....just doesn't seem that correct for the Viking. Sort of implies that the air form is weak as ****, would work great if it took an armor reduction when airborne.

[Remy]

ItzaHexGor, you are officially confused between what the words "role" and "capabilities" mean.  By your logic, the zealot now really isn't the zealot, SC1 zealot did not have the charge ability.  The high templar is also a completely new and different unit despite the name.  Since the SC2 zealot has charge while SC1 zealot didn't, the current zealot takes on a different role.  Does that make any sense?  Because that's what you're saying. If you are looking to form fit SC2 units to SC1 counterpart and require them to match 100% with no new mechanics or features, you should just play SC1.

Not only is wraith's pew-pew not a way for wraith to defend itself against ground, it is in no way a defining element in what role it actually played for the Terran.  Wraith is classified as tactical air unit for the Terran, and for the most part it also fit that classification in practice.  But it actually played a larger role in AA, taking on the role of being the most prevalent air based AA for Terran.  Wraith anti-ground was only a part-time job, a very limited one at that, it wasn't any good beyond light harassment annoyance.  The only race that had a true tactical air that was equally capable in all its functions was Zerg.  Protoss arguably, did not even have a viable tactical air unit at all, scout just sucked too hard.

If you really want me to go into even greater despite the fact that I feel extremely lazy these days, I can.  But I really think you should go over to the Units That Sucked thread and read the parts about valkyrie.  I explained why it was good on paper but was ultimately inadequate in securing its place as prevalent Terran air based AA.  Stats on paper mean jack when you are talking about the roles of a unit, whether predesignated or in actual practice.

[BloodHawk]

Valk did suck, a lot. Makes me nervous to hear the predator has a similar attack. Intercept sounds great, but that seems to put it in a very support (well defense actually) role. I don't want that. Especially on a ship called the predator. Rename the predator thread next?

[ItzaHexGor]

This may take a while... First off capabilities are specific or unique things that a unit is able to do. A role is how it is used in the game. Now...

By your logic, the zealot now really isn't the zealot, SC1 zealot did not have the charge ability.
The Zealots of StarCraft1 did have the Leg Enhancements upgrade which allowed them to close the gap between them and the opposing forces much more quickly. The Charge ability designed to accomplish the exact same goal.

Since the SC2 zealot has charge while SC1 zealot didn't, the current zealot takes on a different role.
The StarCraft2 Zealot will still be used the same as it was in StarCraft1, so it fills the same role.

If you are looking to form fit SC2 units to SC1 counterpart and require them to match 100% with no new mechanics or features, you should just play SC1.
This is what I'm saying: The units in StarCraft2 do not fit the roles of units in StarCraft1. The Viking is not the equivalent to the Wraith. The Wraith has been scrapped and its role has been divided amongst several units. Keep in mind that I'm not saying that the units in StarCraft2 should resemble the ones in StarCraft1. I am saying that they shouldn't and don't. The Viking is not the StarCraft2 version of the Wraith.

Not only is wraith's pew-pew not a way for wraith to defend itself against ground, it is in no way a defining element in what role it actually played for the Terran.
The role is how the unit is used in the game. I often used groups of Wraiths to take out large Ground-to-Ground units (Siege Tanks/Ultralisks/Reavers) and they were perfect for this role. They could attack these units without being in too much danger, and if they brought in some units to counter the Wraiths, they could just cloak and retreat. The Viking has no way of doing this, therefore cannot fit the Wraiths role. I'm not denying that their Air-to-Air capabilities are very similar, but this was not the main use of Wraiths.

[BloodHawk]

Actually, I believe the leg enhancements were more useful for getting your zealots up to the front lines quicker than simply closing the gap. Otherwise there isn't much point in adding charge. Even with the leg enhancements, it is far more preferable to zealot bomb siege tanks than to run up to them. The increased speed isn't gonna make all the difference often enough. A limited scenario I know, but I think it's still a fair example.

You don't consider air-air the primary use of the wraith? Huh? What you said about taking out tanks/ultralisks/reaver is true...in campaign. Any semi-decent human player should have pleanty marines/hydralisks/dragoons to counter them. Especialy considering that you need some time to muster enough Wraiths to kill any higher HP ground based target. Hell even with reavers, you're gonna want to drop/load/drop/load with a shuttle anyways. Wraith is most useful air-air, I don't see how you can argue otherwise.
Cloak? Well Terrans get comstat easy, zerg got ovies, and observers come from same building as reavers. Point is; most people will not let you sit your "victory fleet" over their sieging army with such ease.

Don't mean to pick on you, I just very much so disagree. Also damn, we all should be duking this out in a different thread.

[ItzaHexGor]

The Leg Enhancements upgrade is similar to the Charge ability, the main difference being that Leg Enhancements helps the Zealots travel a lot faster as well.
The Wraith does not have any primary use. It was a versatile unit that could be used in almost all situations. I'm sorry if I implied that Air-to-Ground was the main use for the Wraith, but I was merely stating that Air-to-Air was not its main use either. Also, when having a fully upgraded squad of 5 or so Wraiths, they were very effective at taking out stray large ground units. Reavers were a touch harder, but the Science Vessels EMP Shockwave made it a lot easier. I'm not saying that the Viking's Air-to-Air role doesn't fit the Wraiths Air-to-Air, but the Wraiths overall role was much more versatile, and the Viking's is very limited.

[BloodHawk]

Case clossed then?

So anyone else got a name suggestion to get this topic back on topic?

Since it can be considered a highly mobile Goliath, how about the Go-Goliath?
Ok, any serious ideas?

[Remy]

It takes 80 shots of wraith pew-pew to take down an ultra, what are you smoking?  And we're not talking about 80 swift rounds like zergling attack speed.  Wraith pew-pew has longer cooldown than it's AA on top of the pathetic damage.  They shoot at the rate very close to sunken colonies(30 cool vs 32).  And that's just one ultra, who makes just one ultra?

You can believe all you want that wraith is versatile and suitable for every use, but higher level players have already played all those games for the past 10 years.  And guess what, wraith is the prevalent Terran air based AA based on actual games played.  Wraith's all-purpose goodness is only on paper.

If I'm not mistaken, the SC2 zealot has both the leg enhancement and the charge ability.  But that's really not important.  The fact is, viking directly replaces the SC1 wraith and the goliath.  Viking is currently Terran's tactical air unit, although it is also a tactical ground unit due to its transform option.

[BnechbReaker]

viking is different from wraith that is a given, however you can't say the viking is not versatile just because it's different from wraiths. sure against siege tanks the vikings are not as convenient as wraiths, because you have to micro. but it doesn't mean there's no way to fight sieged tanks, if you have seen any korean tvt games you'll know that dropping an army on top of static siege tank formations totally pwns them. it's so powerful that most tvt are dictated by this and the players are constantly playing cat and mouse tying to archive the drop. the wraith was very weak against ground based anti-air (marine, hydra, dragoon, goliath) but the viking is not, they will pwn marines and possible hydras with their double damage against unarmored and fight on equal terms with the stalker.

so in some aspects the wraith was better while in other aspects the viking will be better, but the important fact is that they are both versatile units

[ItzaHexGor]

It is true that a Wraith may take 80 shots to take down an Ultralisk (did you upgrade both the Wraiths weapons and the Ultralisks armour?), but that is 80 shots from a single Wraith. I said before that it is wise to go around with 5 or so Wraiths, with immediately cuts the number of shots down to 16 per Wraith, but I also said that it is wise to take a Science Vessel with them as well. The Ultralisk has 400 health, if i remember correctly, and Irradiate will do about 200 damage to an Ultra. This halves its health so the 5 Wraiths only have to take about 8 shots each. Sounds pretty effective to me.
Anyway, if your trying to use the reason that because Wraiths air attack was more powerful then that its ground attack, then your argument that the Viking also replaces the Goliath is void. The Goliaths most damaging attack was its Anti-Air. Its air attack did about 32 explosive-type damage when fully upgraded, and its ground attack did 15 damage when fully upgraded. Also its Anti-Air attack was able to be upgraded to have an additional +3 range, giving it a total range of 8, while its ground attacks range was at most 5.
So if your saying that the Viking (flyer) directly replaces the Wraith just because the Wraiths Air-to-Air damage was higher and the Viking (flyer) still has that attack, then the Viking (walker) cannot possibly be the direct replacement for the Goliath, because the Goliaths Anti-Air damage was higher and the Viking (walker) no longer has that attack.

EDIT: I'm not saying that the Viking is not versatile, because it is. All I am saying that the Viking is not the direct replacement of the Wraith, nor is it the direct replacement of the Goliath.

[BnechbReaker]

umm... judging by the 5-6 comment, the fully upgraded wraith comment and the fact you are even trying to argue for wraith vs ultra you must play single player a lot. 5-6 wraith is nothing, when people make wraiths, they make 30 or 40, unless it's for the initial harassment

[Quanta]

Some people also seem to be neglecting that any anti ground capabilities the wraith may have had, they have been replaced by the Banshee and vastly increased in power. They only chance wraith would have against Hydras or Dragoons or Marines is if there were no detectors near by and then only so long as the wraiths were cloacked and even if no detectors came for the entire duration of the wraiths' energy it was unlikely that they would wipe out the enemy. The Banshee is a completely different story. It won't take long for people to realize that they cannot send ground units anywhere unless escourted by detectors when fighting Terran.

The wraith is being split between the Banshee and Viking while the Goliath is being incorporated into the Viking. Sure, the lack of cloak will probably make the Viking a less effective AA unit than the wraith was, if you ever catch the enemy without a detector. However, this is made up for by the Viking being better at AG and giving it the ability to get around dedicated AA units.

Overall, I would say the Terran fleet has become a bit weaker against air, depending on how effective the Predator really is, but much more effective against ground.

[ItzaHexGor]

I don't actually play single player much at all. I need to read up on the storyline a fair bit to know what is going on. Also, I did not say that I only ever built 5 or so Wraiths, I said that I send them out in groups of 5 or so so that they can take out any stray units, areas that are lacking detectors and any under defended parts of their bases. Also, I find that massing 40-odd Wraiths is not ideal. That adds up to about 80 food, which, is about 1/2 of your fighting force, even more if you use Nuclear Launches. Having too many of any unit in your army limits the amount of other units you can have, and every army should consist of a variety of different units.

@ Quanta. Great post, couldn't agree more. That has been what I have been saying. the Viking is not the direct replacement for the Wraith, but its role has been divided among many units, like the Viking, Banshee and possibly the Predator.

[Remy]

You realize you're still arguing role with actual capabilities right? The viking replaces the goliath and wraith with a combination of its two forms. Just because now they require you to actually do some micro and transform their ass, doesn't mean they can't get the same job done. The current design also give the "walker" unit the kind of mobility they never had, wow, imagine that.


Anyway, if your trying to use the reason that because Wraiths air attack was more powerful then that its ground attack, then your argument that the Viking also replaces the Goliath is void.


No. Did you even read my post? Go read my post. There is no reasoning or argument, that's what it is. Wraith is the prevalent Terran AA because that's what real life people used them for in real life games. And all of that already happened, we're 10 years into SC1.

Wraith AA and goliath AA were redundant. But wraith's inadequate AG meant that there were also little use for the unit otherwise. So what did they do? They combined the damn two units.

And if you're still here trying to argue that using wraiths vs ultras is somehow viable at all, you probably haven't even really done that in real multiplayer. Either that or you've never played anyone any good. Right, while you irradiate, Zerg is really not gonna have any darkswarm up. DS is textbook Zerg tier 3 in TvZ. Guess how often you'll see anyone using wraiths on ultras in that match up?

[BnechbReaker]

the wraith is fairly under-used in highly level games, the only time people really make them is to counter bc and carriers, and when people bump wraiths, they really pump them, normally at least 4 starports are required.

the only other time when wraith sometimes gets used is in early tvt, for initial harassment and early tech superiority against tanks

[ItzaHexGor]

@ Remy. You were saying that the Wraiths powerful Air-to-Air capabilities pretty much nullified its Air-to-Ground attack so it is usually used as an Anti-Air unit, right? so the logical thing to do would be to get rid of its Air-to-Ground attack and make it focused on Anti-Air. However the opposite happened with the Goliaths. The Goliaths were also much more effective against air targets than ground targets (that's not to say that they were useless against land targets), but it has been its more powerful Anti-Air attack that has been removed from the walker form.

[Remy]

You really don't read my posts. Please do not reply to me before you actually read and understand what I said.


You were saying that the Wraiths powerful Air-to-Air capabilities pretty much nullified its Air-to-Ground attack so it is usually used as an Anti-Air unit, right?


No, I'm not reasoning or arguing anything about that. I'm flat out telling you that in the real world, the end result that we currently know of, is that wraiths are used as AA. That is fact, not what I think is going on or should be. I don't think you understand why Reaker say people who use wraith pull that many either. He's not telling you that because he personally thinks it's a good idea.

And what you're trying to say in this last post is actually exactly what I just said. They combined the two damn units except they threw in a twist and made the thing take on separate aspects through transformation.

[Quanta]

Goliaths were walking missile turrests with some AG capabilities which were mostly only usefull for defensive purposes. They were anti air support units primarily. Their disadvantage was against strong anti ground units. The Vikings also fill this role. In walker form, they have a decent ground attack but really aren't a match for a dedicated anti ground unit. However, ground support is not their primary role. Vikings are anti air support units to go along with otherwise vulnerable armies. The fact that they have to transform to do this gives them advantages and disadvantages of the goliath.

The Wraith had the role as an air supremecy unit, good against capital ships. It could also provide air support for an army in the same way a goliath would though I would argue not as well in many situations, though not all. The Wraith also had the role as a harassment unit. They could come in cloacked and attack an enemy fleet and do some damage and leave before a detector arived. They could also raid the workers at expansions and even the main base if it was poorly defended, however, they did not do this all that well. The Viking also fills some of these roles. Although Vikings lack cloaking and have fairly low hp, their attack will still make them effective against captial ships. The would likely be even more effective than the wraith would if the ships have detectors with them. The Viking also is a capable expansion and poorly defended base raider. Although the Viking as no cloak it has a much better AG weapon and it can land to avoid dedicated AA defenses, though this exposes it to AG attacks, an advantage and disadvantage depending on the situation. The only real disadvantage of the Viking over the Wraith is the lack of a cloack. However, this is made up for by the Banshee.

The role of the Wraith harrassing a fleet using cloak is gone but it has been replaced by a role that the Terrain did not have in the past. The Banshee is a dedicated AG weapon. In SC2 you may not be able to harrass the enemies carriers or bc's with wraith but you will be able to harrass their army, and probably end up doing massive damage to it. The stealth base raider role as also been replaced and improved upon since the Banshee's ground attack makes it much better suited for the role.

This is about as good and through description of the distribution of the roles of the Terran units as I can come up with.

[BnechbReaker]

once again a great post quanta :powerup:

btw have you checked your own introduction tread recently? i posted a flash that explained the twin "paradox"

[Quanta]

[Off Topic]

Ya I saw that flash, it explains the question partially. What has me confused now is if there were no change, or very minimal change in inertial as compared to the duration of zeron accelleration travel.

It explains the paradox very will by applying general relativistic principles. That is, taking into account that accelleration causes time dialation and that accelleration is not relative, or rather the change in inertia associated with it.

It doesn't address the special relativistic case, or at least I don't think so. If I understand correctly, only the time dialation caused by the accelleration will be factored in. I think the time dialation from the difference in velocity ends up canceling out somehow.

I haven't actually taken any classes on relativity though so I think I'll just ask one of my professors about the question. I know more about classical mechanics and quantum than I do about relativity sadly.

[/Off Topic]

[ItzaHexGor]

The direct replacement of a unit would be a unit that is able to do all the stuff that the original unit was capable of. For the Viking to replace the Wraith it would need to have an Air-to-Ground attack, a Cloaking device and to not be able to transform into a Ground form. The same goes for the Viking walker form. For it to be the direct replacement of the Goliath the walker Viking would need to have an Anti-Air attack and be unable to transform into a Flyer form. The Wraith and Goliath has no direct replacement. Their roles have been split across multiple new units. That is the point I am trying to make.
The Wraith was able to defend against the ground and raid bases, while still being immune to Ground-to-Ground attacks, like Siege Tanks, Reavers etc. The Viking is unable to do this.
The Goliath was very effective at taking out Air units while remaining safely on the ground, avoiding the attacks of Valkyries, Devourers etc. The Viking is unable to do this.
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