Zerg Capital Ships?

[timedragon888]

In starcraft 1,

Protoss have the Carrier (protoss capital ship)

Terran have the Battlecruiser (terran capital ship)

The zerg should have one too (maybe not a ship, just a unit) ^_^

[LJYLJ]

guardians? devourers? Ultralisk? ....infested protoss mothership? ooh i like that

[GuiMontag]

'capital' ships are only used for chain of command purposes, the zerg dont have a bunch of generals that need to be hovering over the battlefield.

[DontHate]

Yea. The only "generals" are the overlords that direct the army. I guess they're the capital ships then.

[Shadowdragon]

Maybe the zerg can steal some terran siege cannons and stick 'em under the overlords. The overlords may complain about the pain, but since all they do is whine anyway, I don't see any real loss. Better yet, maybe they can use those tentacle things to pick up soldiers and use them as clubs. I would like to see and overlords wield dual zealots, smashing them into the enemy.

[Dxun]

"The capital ships of a navy are its "important" warships; the ones with the heaviest firepower and armor. There is usually no formal criterion for the classification, but it is a useful concept when thinking about strategy, for instance to compare relative naval strengths in a theatre of operations without having to get bogged down in the details of tonnage and gun diameters. A capital ship is generally a leading or a primary ship in a fleet."

So with that said, Zerg don't really have a capital ship.

[Ghost]

The zergs closes thing to a capital ship is an Overlord, the real capital ship is the Overmind really, but as is doesnt travel I guess it can really be called a ship.

[timedragon888]

But shouldn't the zerg have a strong air unit? Maybe it won't be called a capital ship, just something strong enough to face off with the battlecruiser or something...

[Star-Crap]

But shouldn't the zerg have a strong air unit? Maybe it won't be called a capital ship, just something strong enough to face off with the battlecruiser or something...


its called a scorge. stop playing fastest maps

[ninerman13]

The Zerg are a race of cheap masses of units. A capital ship/strong air unit does not fit their persona.

[Shadowdragon]

They still have the manta-ray of doom don't they? The one used to travel through space and transport troops?

[ArchLimit]

I'm personally not a fan of having the Zerg get their own capital ship/flyer. It doesn't fit the nature of the race, which is a cheap but mass-able units.

I think Blizzard sort of gave the Zerg a capital-esque flyer (Devourer) to guard AGAINST other capital ships, but ultimately the combination of Guardians and Devourers are powerful enough on their own IMO.

[venado]

I'm personally not a fan of having the Zerg get their own capital ship/flyer. It doesn't fit the nature of the race, which is a cheap but mass-able units.


Yes, it make sense... And this make races more different.

[mc2]

The Zerg are a race of cheap masses of units. A capital ship/strong air unit does not fit their persona.


ninerman nailed it straight to the point. The Zerg will not be having a strong air unit that can dominate everyone else. Zerg are meant to claim victory through fast and mass production. By using those mass amounts units to wreck havoc on the enemy's base is the zerg's distinct charateristic.

[timedragon888]

They still have the manta-ray of doom don't they? The one used to travel through space and transport troops?

What manta ray? I don't remember one.

[Indigent]

Yeah the ultralisk is good enough it would be neat if it had splash damage like in Starcraft Ghost. Besides who needs a battle cruiser when you have four scourges! Me neither 0.o

[TheOneInPower]

I always thought the devourers were kind of a pointless addition to the zerg hoard. Considering they already had an anti-air only unit. So it was suicidal? Big deal. It was insanely cheap. Plus, devourers were so slow at attacking they never lasted long enough to suit me. And was it just me, or did those extra spores not do anything at all?

[timedragon888]

I always thought the devourers were kind of a pointless addition to the zerg hoard. Considering they already had an anti-air only unit. So it was suicidal? Big deal. It was insanely cheap. Plus, devourers were so slow at attacking they never lasted long enough to suit me. And was it just me, or did those extra spores not do anything at all?

The acid spores increases your units' attack power and slows down the enemy's cooldown rate. 9 Devourers can kill a battlecruiser without dying. But I'm not talking about 9 units, its about 1 strong unit that can take on the battlecruiser.

[Joneagle_X]

I agree with both sides of the argument. Yes, it's true that a "capital" ship would be uncharacteristic for the Zerg, but it does seem a little unfair when you're up against 12-24 carriers and don't have a real unit to turn to for that kind of firepower... In my opinion the Devourer was pretty weak. I never used it unless Corsairs became too much of a problem for hydralisks....

I'd be happy with just a redesigned air unit, or making the mutalisks have more powerful upgrades.

Although a capital ship for the Zerg would be pretty sweet....

[GuiMontag]

actually, considering that the whole nature of the zerg swarm has changed due to kerrigan and other hybrids, we might see a capital ship in the campain, but not in multi player.

[Joneagle_X]

You're saying that Kerrigan will have a capital ship?

Awesome, she'll be the new Artanis! ;) Get rid of that ugly cow... lol

[DKutrovsky]

I really cant say anything exept: BLIZZCON SHOULD START ALREADY.

I predict zerg making an appearence(LOL?)

[Warsaw]

zerg just werent meant to have large ships cause it would be blown outta the sky without any cool tech like protoss shielding or yamato guns. All it would have is its crappy carapace. Im sure a single laser blast from a terran battle cruiser would just cut the damn thing into 2 peices and rain massive amounts of Goo and mucus all over the battle field.

[Eye_Carumba]

I rather have the defiler's orange cloud affecting the sky aswell, because so far, the only air unit with close range is the Scourge. Thus, with the orange cloud, scourges could own anything in the air, and that would be the end of it. ;-)

Even though I would very much like to see a flying Ultralisk, lol!

[Indigent]

I'd rather see flying zerglings that can swoop down to attack ground units as well.

Also known as... SACKABLE ZERGLINGS!!!

*Dark Hole* (Scrapped)

Oh crap..

[timedragon888]

zerg just werent meant to have large ships cause it would be blown outta the sky without any cool tech like protoss shielding or yamato guns. All it would have is its crappy carapace. Im sure a single laser blast from a terran battle cruiser would just cut the damn thing into 2 peices and rain massive amounts of Goo and mucus all over the battle field.


The carapace isn't that weak. If it was, the zerg would be utterly useless and devourers will get killed in one hit by battlecruisers. Anyway shouldn't kerrigan build something like a carrier for her to ride on since she's now the "Queen B*tch of the Universe"

[Mike]

Morelike she'll kidnap a battlecruiser and man it with infested terrans (not forgetting a cerebrate or two in cargo bay) - probably much more pleasant and classy for da Queen than travelling in smelly sack of meat called the Overlord.. Would also make sense from story point of view - misson briefings interactions like those terrans' would look... hmm, realistic :)

[Gasmaskguy]

lol it would be funny to see how a Overlord looks from inside when interacting in the zerg briefing :-)
Man its gonna look like a dump in the backalley of a butchery...

[timedragon888]

Morelike she'll kidnap a battlecruiser and man it with infested terrans (not forgetting a cerebrate or two in cargo bay) - probably much more pleasant and classy for da Queen than travelling in smelly sack of meat called the Overlord.. Would also make sense from story point of view - misson briefings interactions like those terrans' would look... hmm, realistic :)


Or maybe she wants something even stronger than a battlecruiser, something that is "seemingly inpenetrable". That would fit into the story line as a hero unit or something. After all, she's got the resources, time and space to build such a behemoth.

[Joneagle_X]

I agree completely with Timedragon, if the Zerg carapace was weak, Ultralisks would be completely useless. In SC1 with its full upgrades, it is one of the most armored units in the game.... Transfer armor like that to an airship.... you'd have something quite formidable... The attack is the only question.

[timedragon888]

I agree completely with Timedragon, if the Zerg carapace was weak, Ultralisks would be completely useless. In SC1 with its full upgrades, it is one of the most armored units in the game.... Transfer armor like that to an airship.... you'd have something quite formidable... The attack is the only question.


Yeah... Should it be given many small weapons like the Carrier, many firing lasers like the Battlecruiser, or a bouncing weapon like the Mutalisk? Or maybe it can spit in the air or something, lol...

[Joneagle_X]

I'm thinking it could be a type of large, non-sacrificing scourge. Latches onto the enemy airship and either controls it or digests them one at a time. Maybe just latches on and it does slow but significant damage until it is killed or the enemy unit dies.

[Indigent]

How would they get it off...? Say battle cruiser got strapped and another battlecruiser shoots at it... Hehe... It's all like WTF are you doing to my ship stop shooting me you god dam &@&$?!!!!

[Joneagle_X]

Yea it'd be insanity and cause some serious confusion.... PERFECTLY FITS THE ZERG!!!

MUA HA HA HA.... Plus we could change the saying to "We are own all your SHIPS!!!!" :P

EDIT: Imagine a fleet of 12 BCs, etc..... 5-6 of these giant sucking things come out of nowhere and crash into 5-6 of the BCs... The BCs stagger and start getting shot at by their comrades.....

"GET THIS SH*T OFF OF ME!!! GET IT OFF!!!!!!!!!!"

I can imagine animations like the BC getting mauled into the ground by the impact of being attacked.... Brings it to the ground or makes it lose a lot of altitude, etc....

[ShasOkais]

what if you could upgrade the overlord to achieve capital ship standards. Toxic spore attacks, heavy armor, hell on earth?

[Gasmaskguy]

lol IMBA!! Overlords dont take up supply goddammit! imagine the face of someone who suddenly sees 423 enemy overlords covering the sky, SHOOTING AT HIM! :o

[Wlck742]

Yeah that would be imba, but I think he meant evolving the ovies seperately, which would still be imba, unless they take up more supply than they provide, or just stop providing supply.

I'd just like a stronger form of the muta instead, same basic concept, but stronger. As an evolutuion, of course. I'd say a new muta/scourge evolution.

[Indigent]

Almost all units that shoot that have specific AA use missles... Scourges sticking to your battle cruiser is going to be HELL...

[[LightMare]]

no "capital ships" for the zerg. just that sexy eye floating in blood with optic nerves going hether tether

[Lord David]

lol IMBA!! Overlords dont take up supply goddammit! imagine the face of someone who suddenly sees 423 enemy overlords covering the sky, SHOOTING AT HIM! :o


Not necessarily, if Overlords were to become capital ships/units (well basically attack ground and air), if anything they would at the very least cost several hundreds of minerals and gas to evolve into this unit (assuming they don't use supply, and still provide supply).

Likewise, such an attack would ideally be slower than the speed of attack from the other capital ships, Carrier and Battlecruiser. So all in all, in spite of a potential armor upgrade, HP upgrade and the ability to attack, it's may or may not be worth it, who knows?

[Joneagle_X]

Isn't that the point of Zerg? To scare the living sh*t out of opponents? I think it would be a giant deterrent to build large capital ships if a Zerg player can instantly "cripple" if not destroy a ship with a big beast like this.

It wouldn't necessarily kill all that fast, but one could easily take out one Capital ship if it was one on one....

I just think it would be scary and give a good counter to large capital ships. It's like a giant sucker fish, or a giant squid that latches on to a ship and slows it down with its weight and slowly dissolves its armor until it pierces it. No crazy tech lasers that don't fit the Zerg's theme. Just insane acid reflux!!!!

[Sagathox]

Wow some people are even talking about zerg lasers! lol, no way zerg could have a capital ship, im not going to use that over ued argument about not being zergish, because the overmind WAS like a capital ship at least thats what i think, and if falling like a meteor at 1201893129361293 miles per second didnt kill it, well that´s some powerfull ship you got there!, but i wouldnt like the zerg to have a big air unit, because that would make them less "unique", now all the races would have big ships instead i hope blizzard amaze us with such an innovating concept about some units that we forget about capital ships and just have lots of fun!.

[freedom23]

Sagathox is ryt... zerg doesnt capital ships like carriers or BCs but to compensate our insect friends use the power of the swarm to prevail and that was how it has always been with the zerg 10 yrs since... But we never really know what blizzard holds for us.. maybe they'll turn the ultras into something with a cool evolution or maybe an entirely new unit... and bout the overlord being a capital ship?? I really wouldnt like that to happen coz thats really gonna mess things big even though the cost will be high i still wont agree coz ur not getting extra supply cost plus if that unit die you not only lose a capital ship u also loose 8 supply units to your swarm and that stinks...

But to think of it the bug kingdom is ussually lead by a mastermind right?? so perhaps they can come up with a king like unit that rules the skies right?? my idea is for an unit that can attack both air and ground units maybe a fusion for the guardian and the devourer in that way you wont have to build 2 different units and get the benefit of both but maybe just tweaking a little on the range...

anyway i still disagree with zerg cap units :bad:

[SirBaron]

I'd say the Zerg does not really need a capital ship, but more fighter type units. Like more evolutions of the Muta, for example. I cannot claim that the idea of a Zerg Capital Ship does not sound appealing in my ears, but it's not a concept that the Zerg should have.

[Wlck742]

That's why we need mutas to mate with queens. ;D

[Gasmaskguy]

You just want mutas to mate with queens because it turns you on.
What we need is what blizzard gives us.

[timedragon888]

That's why we need mutas to mate with queens. ;D


Oh yeah, maybe zerg can have this mating thing like the Archon Meld, just that instead of the two units dying or disappearing or whatever, they still remain and then small baby crossbreeds will spawn... lol...



lol IMBA!! Overlords dont take up supply goddammit! imagine the face of someone who suddenly sees 423 enemy overlords covering the sky, SHOOTING AT HIM! :o


Not necessarily, if Overlords were to become capital ships/units (well basically attack ground and air), if anything they would at the very least cost several hundreds of minerals and gas to evolve into this unit (assuming they don't use supply, and still provide supply).

Likewise, such an attack would ideally be slower than the speed of attack from the other capital ships, Carrier and Battlecruiser. So all in all, in spite of a potential armor upgrade, HP upgrade and the ability to attack, it's may or may not be worth it, who knows?


No, if Blizzard does that, then the zerg would get very weak, because the overlord is their only supply producer, and if it cost lots of minerals and gas, then it would take ages before the supply limit can go beyond 9, and the zerg would lose its swarming ability.


Isn't that the point of Zerg? To scare the living sh*t out of opponents? I think it would be a giant deterrent to build large capital ships if a Zerg player can instantly "cripple" if not destroy a ship with a big beast like this.

It wouldn't necessarily kill all that fast, but one could easily take out one Capital ship if it was one on one....

I just think it would be scary and give a good counter to large capital ships. It's like a giant sucker fish, or a giant squid that latches on to a ship and slows it down with its weight and slowly dissolves its armor until it pierces it. No crazy tech lasers that don't fit the Zerg's theme. Just insane acid reflux!!!!


Lol, that would be nice to see... Or maybe it doesn't destroy the ship, just infests it like a command center.