Return of Fenix?

**Windblade** · February 16th, 2009, 11:14 AM

new to the forums so sorry if this was discussed already.

Since Fenix came back as a dragoon, and considering Kerrigan killed him, anyone think that Duran might have taken his body and turned him into a hybrid? This would make him part of the Xel'Naga and possibly help reunite the Protoss with the Xel'Naga. Which imho is a goal for the XG, they considered the protoss the best but were depressed and left when they split into tribes.

just a thought, but i think it would be cool story-wise to have Fenix be a Xel'Naga/Hybrid hero, and it would be a good base for them as a playable race in Starcraft 3(you know its gunna happen!)

**Arvendragon** · February 16th, 2009, 11:28 AM

OR

Xel'Naga may be present as a playable race or as an add-on race like the Naga and the Dranei in any of the two expansions.

**Windblade** · February 16th, 2009, 11:33 AM

didnt blizz already say that there would ONLY be the 3 original races for now? if history is any indicator

Warcraft - 2
Warcraft II - same two races
Warcraft III - Now we have new races

we are currently at starcraft II

**Arvendragon** · February 16th, 2009, 11:34 AM

They confirmed no new races for Wings of Liberty I think. Correct me on this.

**EonMaster** · February 16th, 2009, 11:36 AM

they have stated that the xel'naga would appear in the single player campaign, so it's likely that there will be special units only the xel'naga have.

But there will only be the 3 main races in multiplayer.

**Kimera757** · February 16th, 2009, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Windblade

new to the forums so sorry if this was discussed already.

Since Fenix came back as a dragoon, and considering Kerrigan killed him, anyone think that Duran might have taken his body and turned him into a hybrid?

Why would he bother?

Duran had access to plenty of protoss already. Note that he didn't infest the protoss though, as they're resistant due to the Khala. Instead, he spliced their DNA.

Even if a "hybrid" containing Fenix's DNA was created, it would just be an empty-minded clone.

Also, Duran only used high templar for their DNA; presumably he doesn't want a "wimp's" DNA. (Fenix was definitely not a wimp, but there's a reason he was a zealot despite being older than Tassadar; he was a warrior, not a mindwalker.)

In short, he's poor material and it wouldn't matter anyway. Fenix is dead.

Also, Blizzard said that Fenix is dead at BlizzCon. Dead, not "mostly dead".

This would make him part of the Xel'Naga

How does that even make sense? First of all, there's nothing to indicate that the hybrids are anything more than powerful creations of the xel'naga. It wouldn't make sense for them to actually be xel'naga, as the x'n existed before the protoss and zerg did, and even if they "possessed" the bodies of the hybrids they would lack the purity of essence -- the entire point of making these races.

Also, the xel'naga have all but been confirmed to be bad guys in StarCraft II. There will be no reunion, unless it ends with much spilling of protoss blood.

**Windblade** · February 16th, 2009, 12:55 PM

where have they confimed that the xel'naga are evil? and why the hell would they want to destroy everything? lore wise they favored the protoss and only left because they split (which was because the x'n pushed them). i would like a direct quote on them being evil. If your basing this on Zeratul, well he even said their return was foretold but no one knows if its to save them or not. Blizz said the Xel'Naga are a backbone of the story and will part of each game, with their own special units or, most likely, characters
and yes the hybrids are PART of the xel'naga, not THE xel'naga, but part of them, why? because they are exactly what the xel'naga envisioned purity of form and essence. But of course there is the possibility the X'N have a nemesistic race that are making the hybrids and they are coming to stop them...
and we have no idea if the hybrids are empty shells or how the splicing works exactly, since the protoss have higher psionic abilities it is possible for fenix to retain his mind

EDIT: Zeratul also said the cycle is going to end, well what is the cycle? maybe ending it is a good thing, and its possible this "cycle" is of the zerg - they infest species and evolve which is basically a cycle of evolution.

**Kimera757** · February 16th, 2009, 01:31 PM

"where have they confimed that the xel'naga are evil?"

Dangit, I meant to say "all but confirmed". (I'm cussing myself there, not you.)

Their horrible experiments under Aiur (in Shadow Hunters) was a pretty good indication that the xel'naga are not benevolent. Jake Ramsey was already doubting them by that point (he had many memories from the Aeon of Strife, including those experiments). Duran's experiments as well. Their temple on Bhekar Ro drained the life essences of numerous protoss before it could hatch. Even Zeratul doubts them. (He wonders if they come to save, or to destroy.)

"and why the hell would they want to destroy everything?"

Wouldn't be much of a game if we knew their full motives, now would it?

I figure revenge against the zerg is part of it, but that's pretty obvious.

"lore wise they favored the protoss"

Because the protoss were pure of form (and essence). That doesn't mean the xel'naga are good guys. The xel'naga were also pleased by the zerg (as well as being horrified). You can't trust a group of scientists who were happy they made biological killing machines.

The only "evidence" we have they're good guys are:

1) Protoss traditions holds them to be good.
2) The protoss worshipped them as gods. Of course they'll have a good reputation.
3) The founder of the protoss religion, Khas, hooked himself up to a xel'naga artifact. (The latter is ambiguous. On the one hand, the artifact painfully drained the energy of several protoss, on the other hand, Khas did end the civil war afterward.)

"Blizz said the Xel'Naga are a backbone of the story and will part of each game, with their own special units or, most likely, characters"

No one is arguing that. StarCraft II would be lame if it didn't follow up on Dark Origin.

"and yes the hybrids are PART of the xel'naga, not THE xel'naga, but part of them, why? because they are exactly what the xel'naga envisioned purity of form and essence. "

No, that makes them a creation. Maybe (very likely) part of their faction. That doesn't mean they're the same thing.

"But of course there is the possibility the X'N have a nemesistic race that are making the hybrids and they are coming to stop them..."

That's a logical fallacy. See Occam's Razor, aka parsimony. It's more likely the xel'naga are making them (you know, the sort of thing you've said the xel'naga would want, hey I believe that to) than a species we never heard anything about doing all this. After all, this species we never heard about might not even exist.

"and we have no idea if the hybrids are empty shells or how the splicing works exactly, since the protoss have higher psionic abilities it is possible for fenix to retain his mind"

1) If the hybrids kept the original protoss personalities, they'd just be super-protoss. Zeratul considers them abominations. I think I can trust his word here. Duran could have stopped Zeratul from killing the hybrid by saying "that's [random protoss guy] in there".

2) We do have a good idea of how the gene splicing worked. Take genes from one source, take genes from another source, and mix. That lets you side step the whole protoss resisting infestation issue.

"Zeratul also said the cycle is going to end, well what is the cycle? maybe ending it is a good thing, and its possible this "cycle" is of the zerg - they infest species and evolve which is basically a cycle of evolution."

At BlizzCon 2007, when talking about Zeratul's conversation with Raynor (the lore video), Metzen was saying that Raynor would listen to Zeratul because "you must save reality".

There's no 100% evidence that the xel'naga are evil, so you have to read between the lines. However, that's secondary to Fenix.

There's more evidence against Fenix being alive. Stukov gets mentioned a few times in Story So Far Part 2, no surprise since Blizzard brought him back and declared that canon. Fenix doesn't even get mentioned once in either part.

The point of Story So Far isn't for StarCraft buffs, but for people new to the game. They don't need to know who Fenix is, since he's dead and will have no impact on StarCraft II. Whereas, if they see Stukov for the first time, Story So Far at least gave them an introduction to him already.

**Windblade** · February 16th, 2009, 11:32 PM

very much true, but still this is blizzard, nothing is certain and random plots can spawn...hell i was 100% sure that moridin was dead in warcraft 3, and BOOM: Wrath of the lich king: "oh he survived"

besides the xel'naga are scientists, and by all accounts the most powerful force in the universe i will find it very retarded if they are
a) evil
b) killed off by lesser beings

on-topic: honestly i do agree him coming back is far-fetched but since its blizzard its within the realm of possibility